Gmail Wish List

[Ed Gowen]

I wonder if it might be appropriate to start a Gmail Wish List thread.
I have submitted several suggestions but don't know how my suggestions
would be viewed by others. Perhaps by submitting them here, as well as
by feedback message to the Gmail Team, we can get a consensus as to
what changes would be most welcome. Just as a suggestion, if you think
well of a change mentioned here, you might want to send a feedback
message encouraging the Gmail Team to put it on the list for
consideration.

One of the things I'd like to see them add is delivery and read
confirmation both within and outside of Gmail. Email is sometime
rather unreliable. With other email accounts you can request a
delivery and/or read confirmation. As I understand it, a delivery
confirmation is just a return email indicating the message made to to
the destination email server and into the recipient's inbox. A read
confirmation indicates someone with access to the destination account
has actually looked at the message, even if only to delete it a moment
later.

Another thing I'd like is to have them change is the way options are
presented when a message is being viewed. Right now, when you are
looking at a message, you must click on the "More options" link to have
access to the "Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Add sender to
contacts list | Trash this message | Show original" links. I'd like at
least "Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Trash this message"
available as soon as the message is displayed. One way this could be
implemented would to have this list of links on the right side under
the "Expand All" link. Another way would be to make the "More options"
choice either persistent so once selected it would stay selected for
any new viewed message throughout and between sessions. Another
possibility would be to add an account options choice of either
"Display All Details for Viewed Messages" as opposed to "Minimize
Details for Viewed Messages".

My understanding is that Gmail allows attachments as long as the total
size of the message is 10 Mbytes or less. I also understand that
executable attachments are not permitted and right now that includes
executable attachments in archive files. I can certainly understand
limiting aggregate message size and I think it just good common sense
to block executable attachments but I'm of the opinion that zip or
other archives with executable content should be permitted and that the
handling of messages with prohibited attachments should be changed.
Right now the message is rejected and at least sometimes the sender is
notified. I'd rather let the message through to the recipient with a
text message indicating that "One or more attachments have been deleted
from this message because they violate Gmail policy on executable
attachments or because they would cause the total message size to
exceed 10 Mbytes."

My final suggestion for the moment is to be able to sort the lists of
root messages and the results of searches. As the number of stored
messages increases, it would be increasingly helpful to have them
sorted by Sender/Receiver or Date either ascending or descending.
Ideally you could also sort by both sender/receiver and date so the
messages would be grouped by sender/receiver but within each
sender/receiver they would be in date order.

Well, thats my list for the moment. Anybody out there care to comment
on these or add their own pet items to the Wish List?

Regards,

Ed

[T. M. Tracy]

Some of those are good Ed, I personaly like the way that good has the
-more options- to display the reply ...ect links. To me it keeps
things uncluttered.

The delvery confermation...That sorta of thing isn't supported by
webmail clients that I know of. I know in outlook and programs like
that, they will send along special info for the message in a
winmail.dat file...that's where the 'reciept for message' info is held
among other things.

I also like the idea of being able to sort the emails once they have
been searched for. That's a good idea. I'm surprised that hasn't
been implimented yet.

About the executable thing...That's something that they have as a
security right now...I'm sure that might impliment a scanner or
something...who knows right now. To me it's not a big deal right now.
You can just change the extention to a .txt and it works fine, just
have to change it back when the message is viewed and the exe is
saved. So far I haven't seen any problems with encoding issues do to
the extention change...

--
T. M. Tracy

[lee....@gmail.com]

Ah, T. M. Tracey - you joined Gmail-Users, cool.
I've read some of your posts on GmailForums.
I suppose sorting e-mails when searched for isn't a bad idea.
Ed's ideas seem good as well.
Just one suggestion for Gmail: I think there should be a disabling
option for Gmail not automatically adding people to your contacts
list. When you send an e-mail to someone, I find Gmail adds the
recipient's name to your contact list - with no confirmation at all.
--
Lee
(lee....@gmail.com)

[T. M. Tracy]

Something that I would like to see... is the abbility to have
different signatures for different lables. When you reply to one
lable, it defaults a different signature.


--
T. M. Tracy
tmt...@gmail.com : 417.894.7428
www.phstheatre.org

[T. M. Tracy]

Some of those are good Ed, I personaly like the way that good has the
-more options- to display the reply ...ect links. To me it keeps
things uncluttered.

The delvery confermation...That sorta of thing isn't supported by
webmail clients that I know of. I know in outlook and programs like
that, they will send along special info for the message in a
winmail.dat file...that's where the 'reciept for message' info is held
among other things.

I also like the idea of being able to sort the emails once they have
been searched for. That's a good idea. I'm surprised that hasn't
been implimented yet.

About the executable thing...That's something that they have as a
security right now...I'm sure that might impliment a scanner or
something...who knows right now. To me it's not a big deal right now.
You can just change the extention to a .txt and it works fine, just
have to change it back when the message is viewed and the exe is
saved. So far I haven't seen any problems with encoding issues do to
the extention change...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:38:11 -0700, Ed Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:
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--
T. M. Tracy

[T. M. Tracy]

[Kendel]

> The delvery confermation...That sorta of thing isn't supported by
> webmail clients that I know of. I know in outlook and programs like
> that, they will send along special info for the message in a
> winmail.dat file...that's where the 'reciept for message' info is held
> among other things.

Depends: what you describe OE and whatnot having is a "read
confirmation" -- it gets triggered (iirc) when you read the mail. The
mailer-daemon that handles dropping the message into your account in
the first place actually handles the delivery confirmation, as that is
when it is actually delivered. And that shouldn't matter if it is a
webmail client or not, just if the local postmaster has the feature.

[The Other Gretchen]

I'd like a best-of-both-worlds approach here.

I want to be able to toggle off the 'feature' where it adds contacts
willy-nilly, but I'd also like it to save those and be able to put you
into a contact-picker (with sort, even) that can browse through the
pool of possible contacts that it's built up from your mail store.

[The Other Gretchen]

I'd like a best-of-both-worlds approach here.

I want to be able to toggle off the 'feature' where it adds contacts
willy-nilly, but I'd also like it to save those and be able to put you
into a contact-picker (with sort, even) that can browse through the
pool of possible contacts that it's built up from your mail store.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:11:59 -0700, lee....@gmail.com
<lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
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[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, that is a good option too. there is a reason for that though.
If you send them a message, then google things that you know them and
any imcoming mail from them isn't spam. Anything that comes in from
someone in your contact list is auto inboxed instead of spam filtered.

One thing that they should do instead...automaticly add to a
'whitelist' instead. That way it dosen't clutter the contacts so when
you start to type in an address it shows like 40 when you type 'a'.

I really don't like the fact that it auto adds a person to your
personal contact list, but it will prolly change in the
futrue...hopefully =p

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:11:59 -0700, lee....@gmail.com
<lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
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[Kendel]

> Something that I would like to see... is the abbility to have
> different signatures for different lables. When you reply to one
> lable, it defaults a different signature.

The problem there is when a thread matches two (or more) labels; you'd
have to set up an hierarchy system for it.

[Kendel]

That's a good suggestion, a "not spam" white-list separate from the
contact list.

[The Other Gretchen]

I'd like a best-of-both-worlds approach here.

I want to be able to toggle off the 'feature' where it adds contacts
willy-nilly, but I'd also like it to save those and be able to put you
into a contact-picker (with sort, even) that can browse through the
pool of possible contacts that it's built up from your mail store.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:11:59 -0700, lee....@gmail.com
<lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
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[Lee Gibbs]

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah. That's why I said instead of them adding to your personal
contact list, they should auto add to a 'whitelist' which the spam
filter can cross reference on incoming mail to help determine whether
it's spam or not. =)

[Kendel]

> The delvery confermation...That sorta of thing isn't supported by
> webmail clients that I know of. I know in outlook and programs like
> that, they will send along special info for the message in a
> winmail.dat file...that's where the 'reciept for message' info is held
> among other things.

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah. That's why I said instead of them adding to your personal
contact list, they should auto add to a 'whitelist' which the spam
filter can cross reference on incoming mail to help determine whether
it's spam or not. =)

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:10:35 +0100, Lee Gibbs <lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>

[The Other Gretchen]

I like the whitelist as separated from contacts!

Especially if you can explicitly add someone to your whitelist, and
easily pull contacts off your whitelist onto your contact list.

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, that is a good option too. there is a reason for that though.
If you send them a message, then google things that you know them and
any imcoming mail from them isn't spam. Anything that comes in from
someone in your contact list is auto inboxed instead of spam filtered.

One thing that they should do instead...automaticly add to a
'whitelist' instead. That way it dosen't clutter the contacts so when
you start to type in an address it shows like 40 when you type 'a'.

I really don't like the fact that it auto adds a person to your
personal contact list, but it will prolly change in the
futrue...hopefully =p

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:11:59 -0700, lee....@gmail.com
<lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
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[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah. I really hate when the auto email thinghas like 5 emails when
you start to type anthing. Like when you go to type and address, it
shows what email address match it so far...well, since it adds
everyone to the list, it can get quit lengthy really fast. That's why
they need to seperate it. =)

[Christopher Orr]

A few things:

I understand Gmail's emphasis on "archiving" all mails etc, but still
a simple T = trash shortcut would be nice..

Also, while in conversation view, I'd like the option to *not* return
to the Inbox after archiving or marking a message as spam -- i.e. just
move onto displaying the next message.

Finally, out of laziness, it's annoying when you have only one mail in
your Inbox, but still you have to select it before you can archive it.
What I'm saying is that if there's only one mail available, and you
press archive or whatever, Gmail should realise that the one message
is implicitly selected (instead of complaining "you haven't selected
any conversations").

Chris

[T. M. Tracy]

Right. But the daemon wouldn't have any way to find out if the
message was READ of opened. All they could tell you is that it was
successfully delivered.

--
T. M. Tracy

[Paparazzi]

Some of the things I've wanted and which I had sent to Google are:

It would be nice to have an option to see the time a mail has been
opened.

1) An option to delete attachments manually.
Sometimes, after having sent a mail, I no longer wish to keep the
attachment in the sent folder (so to say). I just want to keep the
write up as part of the conversation flow. This option to rmove
attachment could be helpful for both incoming and outgoing mails.

2) An Option to send/ receive exe and zipped exe files.
Gmail says this is not allowed to reduce virii threats, but ideally,
the user should be given an option. An advanced user could be given
within settings an option to turn it off so as to receive all kinds of
files or alternatively, specify the kind of files he/ she is willing to
take a risk with! For eg. I could say block .pif;.scr;.bat;.vbs and
allow .zip;.exe;.txt;.doc;.xls

3) Shorter usernames
This again, Gmail says is to reduce the threat of spam. However, I
think it would be nice that on shorter names, gmail warns the applicant
and if the applicant is willing to take the risk, be allowed to create
shorter names. My name is for instance has just 4 characters and hence
would definitely love a cuter id.

4) Eddie in his first message in this topic mentioned receiving
feedback on status of mail. Yes, I know that Gmail cannot force mail
servers like hotmail and yahoo to send feedback, but if a mail has been
sent to another Gmail account, it would be nice if it mentions the time
the receiver opened it. Right now, Gmail says "Received 4 hours ago"
or whaterver. It would be nice if it told the sender "Read xxx hrs
ago" too. This enhances the conversation style setup and would
probably make more people want to correspond between gmail accounts!

5) I also like the idea of label based Signatures :)

Cheers!

And Oh! Please..........

Lets keep our premises clean.
Preview & Remove all the unwanted tags and previous replies before
finally posting!
You folks can see how out of hand these threads are getting .... :( and
this brings me to my next wish

6) An option to turn on / off previous replies! I just wonder why
previous replies are required specially in a mail that supports
conversation threading!

[T. M. Tracy]

chris. if you push Y and the O it will archive the message that you
are viewing and move on to the next one. =)

[T. M. Tracy]

Some of those are good Ed, I personaly like the way that good has the
-more options- to display the reply ...ect links. To me it keeps
things uncluttered.

The delvery confermation...That sorta of thing isn't supported by
webmail clients that I know of. I know in outlook and programs like
that, they will send along special info for the message in a
winmail.dat file...that's where the 'reciept for message' info is held
among other things.

I also like the idea of being able to sort the emails once they have
been searched for. That's a good idea. I'm surprised that hasn't
been implimented yet.

About the executable thing...That's something that they have as a
security right now...I'm sure that might impliment a scanner or
something...who knows right now. To me it's not a big deal right now.
You can just change the extention to a .txt and it works fine, just
have to change it back when the message is viewed and the exe is
saved. So far I haven't seen any problems with encoding issues do to
the extention change...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:38:11 -0700, Ed Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

--
T. M. Tracy

[The Other Gretchen]

I like the whitelist as separated from contacts!

Especially if you can explicitly add someone to your whitelist, and
easily pull contacts off your whitelist onto your contact list.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:59:12 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, the hiearchy would be a must. That makes sense. I didn't even
think of that. The whitelist I like that idea, I hate removing people
from my contact list that I don't want on it...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:54:14 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's a good suggestion, a "not spam" white-list separate from the
> contact list.
>

[T. M. Tracy]

Something else that I would like to see is a 'find similar' button.
That way when I'm reading a message, I can click a button and find all
the message that the sender has sent to me, or maybe emails that have
similar subject matter in the body of the emails or something.

=)

[T. M. Tracy]

Right. But the daemon wouldn't have any way to find out if the
message was READ of opened. All they could tell you is that it was
successfully delivered.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:19:10 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
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--
T. M. Tracy

[T. M. Tracy]

chris. if you push Y and the O it will archive the message that you
are viewing and move on to the next one. =)

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 01:03:31 +0100, Christopher Orr
<christo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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--
T. M. Tracy
tmt...@gmail.com : 417.894.7428
www.phstheatre.org

[Paolo Ciarrocchi]

Good point.
But I definitely would like to have to possibility to manage more than
one signature.
What about link it to the "to" address ?

Ciao,
Paolo

--
ever tried. ever failed. no matter.
try again. fail again. fail better.
-- Samuel Beckett

[Kendel]

> 1) An option to delete attachments manually.
> Sometimes, after having sent a mail, I no longer wish to keep the
> attachment in the sent folder (so to say). I just want to keep the
> write up as part of the conversation flow. This option to rmove
> attachment could be helpful for both incoming and outgoing mails.

Yes! That's the one I keep forgetting to suggest as well.

After all, if someone sends you a file, and you FWD it to someone
else, why maintain the second copy?

Thx.

[Bill Holmes]

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:38:11 -0700, Ed Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder if it might be appropriate to start a Gmail Wish List thread.
> I have submitted several suggestions but don't know how my suggestions
> would be viewed by others.

Hi Ed,

I have read some really good ideas in the replies, thanks for starting
the thread.

I would like to see a couple more buttons for the search box, in
addition to "search mail" and "search the web" to wit: "create a
Google Web Alert", "create a Google News Alert" and if a URL is
entered, "send me this page."

Thanks,
Bill Holmes

[The Other Gretchen]

I like the whitelist as separated from contacts!

Especially if you can explicitly add someone to your whitelist, and
easily pull contacts off your whitelist onto your contact list.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:59:12 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[Kendel]

> I would like to see a couple more buttons for the search box, in
> addition to "search mail" and "search the web" to wit: "create a
> Google Web Alert", "create a Google News Alert" and if a URL is
> entered, "send me this page."

Those are not a bad ideas at all.

What might be nice, if a bit more complex, is in addition to the
"Search Mail" and "Search the Web" field at top (you enter data in
field, and then click one of those buttons" maybe also have those
buttons check for any highlighted text on the page -- anything the
used has highlighted with the cursor -- and, if so, use that
information when the user clicks one of those top buttons.

Similarly, a "create a Google Web Alert" and "create a Google News
Alert" button with a similar functionality.

So, say, a friend emails you something about Britney Spears. You
could just highlight her name, and then click "create a Google News
Alert" and it would create one for "Britney Spears".


Snazzy. I like. Submit!

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah. That's why I said instead of them adding to your personal
contact list, they should auto add to a 'whitelist' which the spam
filter can cross reference on incoming mail to help determine whether
it's spam or not. =)

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:10:35 +0100, Lee Gibbs <lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>

[T. M. Tracy]

I just think that it might add more complexity then they want. I
don't know, you know google likes to keep things simple, might add to
much clutter...who know. =)

[Florian]

My wish is that people stop including the entire original message when
they reply to this thread.

-Florian

[Kendel]

> My wish is that people stop including the entire
> original message when they reply to this thread.

Never gonna happen, sadly. And with Gmail autohiding the unadultered
quoted text (plus the gig of storage) I can see it becoming more
pervasive.

[Florian]

>Never gonna happen, sadly. And with Gmail autohiding the unadultered
>quoted text (plus the gig of storage) I can see it becoming more
>pervasive.

Yes, i noticed when i replied that the entire message is included and
you don't even see it on the screen unless you preview. That's stupid.
Sigh.

-Florian

[T. M. Tracy]

Something else that I wish they had. A way to remove files from
emails. I get emails with big files attatched, and I want to save
them, but I don't want a 5 meg file to stay too.

[Joe Tyson]

Yeah, it'd be neat if they could have a gmail file manager, view all
your attachments and stuff.. Strip certian ones from emails, blah blah
blah

--
Joe Tyson
CEO
JTE-Solutions

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, I'd like to see all of the files go into a FILE section so I can
just view all of my files. I mean hell, we have a gig, right...
*wink*

[Joe Tyson]

haha, yep.. I'm going to contact gmail and make that suggestion, you
should do the same.

[lee....@gmail.com]

Yeah, good idea. It would be good also, as you mentioned before, to
detach attachment files from their messages - good if you want the
message but don't want the attachment.
--
Lee
(lee....@gmail.com)

[T. M. Tracy]

Something else that I wish they had. A way to remove files from
emails. I get emails with big files attatched, and I want to save
them, but I don't want a 5 meg file to stay too.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:55:51 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah. I really hate when the auto email thinghas like 5 emails when
> you start to type anthing. Like when you go to type and address, it
> shows what email address match it so far...well, since it adds
> everyone to the list, it can get quit lengthy really fast. That's why
> they need to seperate it. =)
>
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:17:48 -0700, The Other Gretchen
> <flit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, I'd like to see all of the files go into a FILE section so I can
just view all of my files. I mean hell, we have a gig, right...
*wink*

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:30:02 -0400, Joe Tyson <joet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[The Other Gretchen]

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:56:56 -0700, The Other Gretchen
<flit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like the ability to tag a newly composed mail with one or more
> labels before sending it, rather than having to dig through my sent
> mail file to tag it. I realize that replies to conversations are
> already tagged appropriately, but brand new sent mail is not. I'd
> just like a label pull-down similar to the menu when reading mail, and
> the ability to be able to add multiple labels to a message before
> sending it.

I've since tested this and it does in fact filter outgoing mail as
well. However I'd still like the ability to pick a label while
composing mail that wouldn't match an existing filter.

[The Other Gretchen]

[Kendel]

Mind you, if they were to do that, they might have to "fix" the top
portion so that when you scroll, it stays on-screen. Otherwise, you
would have to select the text, and then scroll to the top to click the
button, then scroll back down to the message.

[The Other Gretchen]

[The Other Gretchen]

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:23:32 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'd like to see all of the files go into a FILE section so I can
> just view all of my files. I mean hell, we have a gig, right...
> *wink*

I search on has:attachment if I'm trying to pull up a list of just attachments.

It might be useful to be able to set up some user-definable
search-strings, though, that work sort of like labels.

So you could set up a 'Web File' link that searches for
(has:attachment label:Web) for instance, and have it be... um... part
of 'show search options'? To the right of that in a user-defined
pull-down? Sort of hotlinks to specific searches. So if you select
it, you get that specific search.

While I'm thinking about advanced search, here are some more ponies I'd love:

is:unanswered -- Shows every conversation where you've sent the latest
mail and have not yet seen a reply.

label: -- I'd like a search operator for unlabelled mail.

label:(T*) -- I'd like to be able to search in more than one label at
once, or exclude a list of labels named according to a certain name
pattern.

header:(search terms) -- Searches on headers and ONLY headers, not
message body, for specific header contents. So let's say I wanted to
search on header:(Received: <IP>) to see all messages that have gone
through a specific host.

An advanced mode that allows egrep-style regexps and will search on
non-alphanumerics. (Perhaps not possible with Google's search
methodology? I don't know too much about how it works.)

[TopDawgNate]

I would have to disagree on this one. I like that gmail automaticlly
adds any names that are on my outgoing messages. Sure, I have to go
through and clean out the cluter at times, but it makes it real nice
when you forgot to add the name to your contacts list and "wala", it
appears.

[Paolo Ciarrocchi]

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:55:26 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Something that I would like to see... is the abbility to have
> different signatures for different lables. When you reply to one
> lable, it defaults a different signature.

Yeah, that's something really annoying.

It'd be really nice to have that feature.

[The Other Gretchen]

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:23:32 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'd like to see all of the files go into a FILE section so I can
> just view all of my files. I mean hell, we have a gig, right...
> *wink*

[Kendel]

> My wish is that people stop including the entire
> original message when they reply to this thread.

[Edward Gowen]

I like the idea of a speedy "move to trash" key stroke sequence. How
about XX in any open message to move it to trash immediately. Along
with this I'd like a user level setting of either "Return to previous
location (Inbox, Sent Mail, etc) or Display next unread message.

I'd also like the XX key sequence to work in any list of messages when
one or more messages are selected.

I think the suggestion that we be able to delete attachments was a good one.

--
Regards,

Ed Gowen
- - - - - - - - - -
Personal email: e...@egowen.net
Work email: ego...@etcmcn.org or ego...@doe.k12.ga.us

[T. M. Tracy]

Something that I would like to see... is the abbility to have
different signatures for different lables. When you reply to one
lable, it defaults a different signature.

[Edward Gowen]

[The Other Gretchen]

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:15:05 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Something that I would like to see... is the abbility to have
> > different signatures for different lables. When you reply to one
> > lable, it defaults a different signature.
>

> The problem there is when a thread matches two (or more) labels; you'd
> have to set up an hierarchy system for it.

I'd like the ability to tag a newly composed mail with one or more
labels before sending it, rather than having to dig through my sent
mail file to tag it. I realize that replies to conversations are
already tagged appropriately, but brand new sent mail is not. I'd
just like a label pull-down similar to the menu when reading mail, and
the ability to be able to add multiple labels to a message before
sending it.

You'd probably still need a signature picker in the case of two or
more labels... I'm not sure how to handle it. Either by establishing
a hierarchy or by having another picker/pull-down?

It would be nice filters could be set up on outgoing mail, as well.
Such as all mail to a specific address getting a specific label, or
filtering on content as for the incoming filter menu.

Perhaps also the contacts menu could be edited for default labels for
mail coming from given contacts or the whitelist if they separate the
whitelist functionality from the contact list?

For that matter, it could be useful to know if mail coming in is *not*
from a contact (or whitelisted address.) I'd like to be able to
filter based on that! Right now it's not dynamic; you have to
hard-code each filter to "whitelist" addresses with tags.

This is sort of straying from the point on having different signatures
for different labels, but there's a loose connection with filtering
there, I think. :)

Oh, while I'm wishing for ponies, how about a signature randomizer?

--Gretchen
(I haven't even set up a .signature yet!)

[The Other Gretchen]

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:11:13 -0400, Edward Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the idea of a speedy "move to trash" key stroke sequence. How
> about XX in any open message to move it to trash immediately. Along
> with this I'd like a user level setting of either "Return to previous
> location (Inbox, Sent Mail, etc) or Display next unread message.

That would be really nice!

I'd also like to do a few user definable keystrokes for any action.
In particular, I'd love it if there were a keystroke for 'label this
message with label:<whatever>'. I guess that would effectively be a
macro. Even if there were a limited number of them, I could set it up
with the labels I most commonly apply by hand rather than with
filters.

[Kendel]

> Oh, while I'm wishing for ponies, how about a signature randomizer?

Yeah, I used to have a random .sig for my OE setup. 'Twas nice.

[The Other Gretchen]

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:11:13 -0400, Edward Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of a speedy "move to trash" key stroke sequence. How
> about XX in any open message to move it to trash immediately. Along
> with this I'd like a user level setting of either "Return to previous
> location (Inbox, Sent Mail, etc) or Display next unread message.

[Kendel]

> Oh, while I'm wishing for ponies, how about a signature randomizer?

[Edward Gowen]

I like the idea of a speedy "move to trash" key stroke sequence. How
about XX in any open message to move it to trash immediately. Along
with this I'd like a user level setting of either "Return to previous
location (Inbox, Sent Mail, etc) or Display next unread message.

[Edward Gowen]

[Paparazzi]

I must say this whole thing is Outrageous!

The same message keeps repeating for heaven knows number of times,
people just are plain lazy to take a little trouble to preview messages
and trim older messages and as a consequence, we've got like 66
messages (or maybe more) of which a whole majority has been read so
many times!

[Lee Gibbs]

True. Posting errors do occur though - as I discovered last week.

--
Lee
(lee....@gmail.com)

[Matt]

What would be a really good idea is if someone made a summary of all
the changes and it was sent to google by every person in this group.
After all what is beta testing for if we dont provide feedback.

[Mark G]

> What would be a really good idea is if someone made a summary of all
> the changes and it was sent to google by every person in this group.
> After all what is beta testing for if we dont provide feedback.

Neat idea. The poster who started the topic should do this? :-)

--
Mark L. Gamis
University of the Philippines

[Kendel]

Something else that might be nice (though I don't know if the
functionality could extend to browsers beyond Internet Explorer) would
be custom context menus so that one could "right click" on a
message/thread and execute certain commands.

For example, "right-click / Move to Trash" rather than selecting the
checkbox next to the thread and then using the drop-down box.

[Comex]

Why Internet Explorer?

[Kendel]

> Why Internet Explorer?

I just don't know if the functionality exists outside this browser;
different systems allow different things, and that could be one of
them: I don't know.

It *is* the browser I have, and it does exist in it, so that is all I know.


--

Kendel

<insert witty or pithy comment here>

[Comex]

> It *is* the browser I have, and it does exist in it, so that is all I know.

Where?

[Kendel]

Okay, you're going to have to be a bit more verbose: where is _what_?

--

Kendel

<insert witty or pithy comment here>

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:27:36 +0000, Comex wrote very little.
>
> Where?
>

[Kendel]

Okay, you're going to have to be a bit more verbose: where is _what_?

--

Kendel

<insert witty or pithy comment here>

[Kendel]

Okay, you're going to have to be a bit more verbose: where is _what_?

--

Kendel

<insert witty or pithy comment here>

[Kendel]

Okay, you're going to have to be a bit more verbose: where is _what_?

--

Kendel

<insert witty or pithy comment here>

[Kendel]

Okay, you're going to have to be a bit more verbose: where is _what_?

--

Kendel

<insert witty or pithy comment here>

[The Other Gretchen]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:16:40 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just don't know if the functionality exists outside this browser;
> different systems allow different things, and that could be one of
> them: I don't know.

I believe that Firefox supports context menu additions. I can't speak
for other browsers.

[Kendel]

I was reading (just now) and Mozilla supposedly supports the
functionality as well.

[Edward Gowen]

How do you feel about the way Gmail handles a long conversation string
like this one? I'm thinking that after a certain number, say 5 or so,
messages have been added to the string, the initial display should
only show a couple of lines of collapsed messages perhaps with an
annotation like <<...51 message segments...>> . Clicking in the area
would cause them all to expand like it does now but you would not have
to scroll down to see the top of the first unseen message.

Regards, Ed Gowen

[T. M. Tracy]

That would work...OR if they shown them in reverse then it really
wouldn't matter. Just show the newest thread first so you don't have
to scroll down forever to see the new mail.

[Kendel]

Having now managed to get a thread with an obscene number of messages,
yeah, that's a damned fine idea.

That screen-full of lines I get now is a bit bizarre.

Personally, though, I hate reversed messages. But that's just me.

[Kendel]

'nutha one:

Have an Archive button available for the Trash, as it gets annoying to
have to move something to the Inbox and then Archive it.

[T. M. Tracy]

Yeah, that can get old. Something else, I want a way to turn off auto
qutoing.

I can see where you wouldn't like having in reverse order.

[texas critter]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:55:03 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Having now managed to get a thread with an obscene number of messages,

Piker! ;) I've got threads (on other lists) going into triple digits!

The thing that really bugs me on long conversations is when I reply to
a message in the middle, say on the 10th message of a 20 message
thread, when I write the message, I'm there in the middle of the
thread, then I hit Send and suddenly I'm at the bottom of the page and
I have to scroll back up over those last ten messages plus mine to go
back to reading the thread. Then I reply to the 12th message and hit
Send and I have to scroll up *again*. Then I reply to the 13th
message and hit Send and...you get the picture and it's even worse
with a really long thread, 30, 50, 70 messages or more and I'm
catching up on email and trying to answer different points in
different messages in the same thread. I want my screen to remain at
the message I've just replied to - stick my message at the bottom but
leave me where I was reading!

--
hth,
texas critter

Glenfinnan Web Hosting: http://www.glenfinnan.net/
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/

[Kendel]

> Yeah, that can get old. Something else, I want a way
> to turn off auto qutoing.
>
> I can see where you wouldn't like having in reverse order.

Actually, that's another very good one: if you create a "gmailers
only" list, why need quoting? You always have the whole conversation
right in front of you.

The only time you'd need to quote would be if you were "late" into a
busy thread, and wanted to make sure ppl knew you were talking about
something "old".

And, at that point, you could bloody well copy and paste what you need, neh?

[Kendel]

> > Having now managed to get a thread with an obscene number of messages,
>
> Piker! ;) I've got threads (on other lists) going into triple digits!

Not "piker"; antisocial misanthrope.

I normally don't stick around for very long conversations, as I am not
what you would call a "people person".

[The Other Gretchen]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:00:15 -0400, Edward Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> How do you feel about the way Gmail handles a long conversation string
> like this one?

Can't you split off conversational threads that have wandered into new
threads just by changing the subject line?

I'll reply again and test that.

--Gretchen

[The Other Gretchen]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:00:15 -0400, Edward Gowen <ego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

This message tests the behavior of long conversational threads... I
want to see if changing the subject line creates a new conversation.

--Gretchen

[T. M. Tracy]

yes, it does...

[Ole Andersen]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:14:55 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, that's another very good one: if you create a "gmailers
> only" list, why need quoting? You always have the whole conversation
> right in front of you.

Quote for context - if your message answers one specific message, then
you need to show which message you are referring to.
We wouldn't need that if Gmail had implemented tree-structured
conversations, but with the linear rendering of conversations you need
to be able to see which message replies to which one.

--
http://palnatoke.org * Ole Andersen, Copenhagen, DK

[Ole Andersen]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:09:38 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can see where you wouldn't like having in reverse order.

For instance as a "turn this conversation upside-down" button.

[Kendel]

> Quote for context

Yes, but if anyone ever bothered to properly quote for context (rather
than simply quoting the entirety of the prior message(s)) we wouldn't
even be having this discussion.

:-)

[The Other Gretchen]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:14:55 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, that's another very good one: if you create a "gmailers
> only" list, why need quoting? You always have the whole conversation
> right in front of you.

Not everyone has joined the list by the time the conversation started,
so they may not have the entire conversational tree archived and can't
refer back within gmail. It's even more significant for mailing lists
that don't archive and display all old messages, so the only source of
context for new users *is* the current message flow.

My personal preference is to quote, attributed, the meaningful part of
the message being responded to, so that each message has some inherent
context... then late joiners can pick up the flow of conversation from
the get-go rather than having to resort to a (relatively painful)
search on the webpage hosting the group.

It's lovely how gmail hides quoted text; it seems to let top-downers
and those newfangled bottom-uppers converse in slightly more harmony;
it's easier to handle the differences in posting style. It also makes
it far less eye-searing when someone quotes an entire nested
conversation in one message and adds "me too!" to the end. :)

As my dear old friend Emily Postnews would say, that's style!

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1/

--Gretchen
--
"Usenet is not a right." -- Gene Spafford
"Usenet is a right, a left, a jab, and a sharp uppercut to the jaw.
The postman hits! You have new mail." -- Edward Vielmetti

[texas critter]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:15:58 -0400, Kendel <kke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not "piker"; antisocial misanthrope.

LOL!

> I normally don't stick around for very long conversations, as I am not
> what you would call a "people person".

These threads aren't that social - it's a technical anti-spam list and
by the time the thread gets into the 80+ level, it's usually
degenerated into the best kind of tar and feathers to use on the
spammer. :)

That particular list can run into 100+ messages in a day at times and
GMail has been great for keeping up with it. Threading in programs
like OE didn't always work very well but GMail does a very good job of
keeping the conversation together.

[Ole Andersen]

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:33:00 -0500, texas critter <texasc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> GMail has been great for keeping up with it. Threading in programs
> like OE didn't always work very well but GMail does a very good job of
> keeping the conversation together.

GMail still needs to learn that a conversation can have several
subject lines, though.

[T. M. Tracy]

Right, and that might be why maybe they can find a new way to link
emails together...

They also need to come up with a way to add messages to the
conversation. Threads can be removed...well deleted and reinserted
into the inbox...that's tedious. They need a seperate button, and an
add button.

The seperation button can just be a small link in the -more options-
link, and the add can just be from the drop-down list...like add
lable, there can be a 'combine' select where it will combind all
selected emails in order they are recieved.

[Ole Andersen]

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:03:40 -0500, T. M. Tracy <tmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Right, and that might be why maybe they can find a new way to link
> emails together...

They could use the In-Reply-To header...