Actually, I long ago changed the home page but not to www.google.com. And there is only one URL in my list. Your first two screen shots are foreign to me. The third one is what I used to input my existing home page.
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Hey Kenneth
When I enabled 2-step, I was automatically signed out.
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I seem to recall also that when you enable two-step verification, Google generates a list of ten backup codes which you can use (each just once) should you be unable to do the two-step dance for some reason. You print out that list and site it someplace safe.
If you didn't get that list, then you haven't actually enabled two-step verification.
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Diane, you will not get any codes via your phone when setting up 2-step. This will only happen after you sign in.
I'm sure I must have said this at least 5 times already, with pictures even haha.
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Sounds about right Kenneth.
Diane, you must actually enable 2-step. You will then be signed out of your Google account. Once you sign in again with your password, you'll then be asked for a code. That's when your phone will ring.
Here's the confusion. You say I must enable 2- step, which is what I tried to do. And then, after enabling, I will be signed out? That implies (to me) that I can enable 2-step while signed in.
As I wrote a moment ago, I can first sign out as Kenneth mentioned and then try to set up 2-step,
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That is an option, available from the 2-step settings page. I posted a screenshot previously in this thread.
Where, Marko? This thread ("graduation") or the related original one. In whatever happened, I never saw anything about the 10 backup codes. Please don't misunderstand; I read about them and knew of their existence when I was studying and learning about how to enable 2-step, but I didn't see anything when I mysteriously enabled 2-step.
Diane,
Here's the issue I see with this... I have never used two-step, so I started trying. The VERY first thing it did when I clicked the turn it on button, was prompt for my password... ie, I was logged out... *THEN* it asked for the number and how to do the verification.
I recognize now that this was what Marko has been saying.
You're acting like that never happened, so we wonder, how you got to that step.
All I can do is repeat that I was in steps 1 and 2 of setting up 2-step.
Also, I'll warn you having used the voice call option before, adding phones to my google voice number... sometimes the computer starts talking before you're easily listening.
Adding phones to your Google voice number? The computer starts talking? Oh! You mean the computer of the automated call to my phone?
I would really not depend on that method... especially since the one box you should want to keep it on for, is mobile, so when you're out at Starbucks, how can you sign in as it's calling your house?
I was planning to trust that particular computer that goes out and about with me. My understanding is then I only need to provide my password.
Must stop now and see how my trusted computer is operating now since I enabled 2-step and how to have my landline phone receive verif codes by phone if I untrust the computer AND how to make sure my recovery phone # is husband's cell #.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:09 PM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:--I am repeating myself. I am trying to enable 2-step. The second step in doing so is to get a verification code before I can proceed to Step 3. That code isn't being received by voice on my landline phone as I requested. You have said you were automatically signed out when you enabled 2-step verif. This hasn't happened to me because I can't enable 2-step w/o Step 2 of the process.As I wrote a moment ago, I can first sign out as Kenneth mentioned and then try to set up 2-step, but I am confused by your statement that you were automatically signed out. Was that before, during, or after enabling 2-step?~D.Please see comments in bold below.On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Marko Vukovic <marko....@gmail.com> wrote:Sounds about right Kenneth.
Diane, you must actually enable 2-step. You will then be signed out of your Google account. Once you sign in again with your password, you'll then be asked for a code. That's when your phone will ring. Here's the confusion. You say I must enable 2- step, which is what I tried to do. And then, after enabling, I will be signed out? That implies (to me) that I can enable 2-step while signed in.On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 at 21:40, Kenneth Ayers <justk...@gmail.com> wrote:On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:49 AM Marko Vukovic <marko....@gmail.com> wrote:Hey Kenneth
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Diane,
When you didn't get the phone call, did you try clicking on that link in step 2 which says "Didn't get the code?"
Yes, absolutely.
Also, can you think of any reason why the phone number you've identified in step 1 couldn't get a phone call? Does your home phone number have any feature in place to block phone calls from unknown or anonymous callers such as Do Not Disturb or Incoming Call Block?
Good questions, but the answer is no. Kenneth
Again, Marko, I am referring to the first two steps in the process of enabling 2-step. There are four steps to enabling.
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Marko, see steps 1 and 2 in setting up 2-step as I have said numerous times.
Diane,When you didn't get the phone call, did you try clicking on that link in step 2 which says "Didn't get the code?" Yes, absolutely.
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OK. Then I guess it can only be as Kenneth suggests, that perhaps you have some call barring enabled on your landline.
No. In fact, I have received calls this way involving other matters, e.g., when I have not signed into a site like a bank for a while, and my computer is not recognized until I input a code that I receive on that very phone.
Another good question. As I recall, I was stuck there. No options or suggestions offered. That is why I unwillingly went back to husband's cell number, which is also the recovery number. It was right after that that I got the verif. code and the process continued. After I verified the code that was sent is when the rest of the steps (#3 and #4) flew by, and suddenly 2-step was accomplished.
If you got notified by voice, Kenneth, there is no reason I shouldn't as well. As I just told Marko, I have gotten codes for other situations on that landline.
~D.
I envy you, Kenneth!As soon as I clicked "next" above, the screen advanced to step 2 and my phone rang. I entered the code given me by the robotic lady voice. She repeated the code just in case I hadn't heard it clearly the first time.
Now that 2 step is officially enabled, I have a few residual questions, some of which were discussed previously. However, I can't bear to search through all the posts both here and on my earlier 2-step thread (sans the word "graduation).
- I enabled 2-step via the computer I will be taking with me at times. I made sure to trust that computer. I understand that 2-step affects getting into my Chrome/Google account. What I don't understand is I remain signed in to My Account (the cookies?) so that I can turn on the computer and immediately go into Gmail. How is Gmail then protected by hackers and such?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:Now that 2 step is officially enabled, I have a few residual questions, some of which were discussed previously. However, I can't bear to search through all the posts both here and on my earlier 2-step thread (sans the word "graduation).
- I enabled 2-step via the computer I will be taking with me at times. I made sure to trust that computer. I understand that 2-step affects getting into my Chrome/Google account. What I don't understand is I remain signed in to My Account (the cookies?) so that I can turn on the computer and immediately go into Gmail. How is Gmail then protected by hackers and such?
If you're taking a computer out of the house and that computer doesn't require you to enter a password when logging into your Google account then that's an issue.
I have had no need to log into my Google account, yet have been able to access Gmail, Chrome browser, Google to search, etc.
If the computer is stolen, you have zero protection. Any computer you take with you should be requiring a password to login.
And mine does. Wait--are you still talking about a password for the Google account or a password to get into your computer?
The computer I'd be taking out of the house has been trusted. Therefore, a password would be required for me or anyone to login to my Google account. No verif. code would be required on that trusted computer.
Both before and after enabling 2-step, I was required to provide my password to sign into the account. I rarely had a need to do this. And, then and now, I can turn on the computer and go right into Gmail w/o being required to sign into my account. Iessentially have repeated what I wrote above (#1 item). Any and all repetition on my part isan effort to be clear.
In repetitious summary: If the trusted computer is stolen, the thief would have to know my password to get into my Google account. However, he/she would have no problem going directly into Gmail as I apparently am always signed in. In experimenting, I have signed out of the account, tried to open Gmail, had to sign in, and then I remain signed into the account. The next time I open Gmail, no problem. Please see next paragraph.
Only have the "stay signed-in" option enabled for a computer that you feel is secure, i.e, one that stays inside a locked house.
I don't know how to enable "stay signed in." As I said, it's like a default setting.
But even then, if someone breaks into your house and steals that computer and there's no password security on your account, then they'll be able to get into it. So there's a trade-off. I don't require a password on the computer
[Again, did you just switch to a password on your computer rather than a password to get into your Google account?]
in my house because I think it's safe enough as I don't take it anywhere and I don't want the bother of always having to login, but if I'm robbed someday I'll probably regret that choice.
As for your having selected to not require verification codes on this computer that you take with you, I guess it's secure enough but ONLY if you have the password protection still. If the computer is stolen and you don't require verification codes, then at least the password will prevent the thief from accessing the account. The only risk is if the thief somehow also knows your password which would be very unlikely for just a random thief. The 2 step verification is protection against someone who DOES know your password.
So please be sure to turn off that "stay signed-in" option on your notebook
(how??!!)
or get to the bottom of finding out how it is that you don't need a password to login.
-- I do need a password to login to my Google account. Have seldom needed to get into my account until working with 2-step.Regards,Kenneth
If you're taking a computer out of the house and that computer doesn't require you to enter a password when logging into your Google account then that's an issue. I have had no need to log into my Google account, yet have been able to access Gmail, Chrome browser, Google to search, etc. If the computer is stolen, you have zero protection. Any computer you take with you should be requiring a password to login. And mine does. Wait--are you still talking about a password for the Google account or a password to get into your computer?
The computer I'd be taking out of the house has been trusted.
Therefore, a password would be required for me or anyone to login to my Google account. No verif. code would be required on that trusted computer.
Both before and after enabling 2-step, I was required to provide my password to sign into the account. I rarely had a need to do this. And, then and now, I can turn on the computer and go right into Gmail w/o being required to sign into my account. Iessentially have repeated what I wrote above (#1 item). Any and all repetition on my part isan effort to be clear.
In repetitious summary: If the trusted computer is stolen, the thief would have to know my password to get into my Google account.
However, he/she would have no problem going directly into Gmail as I apparently am always signed in.
In experimenting, I have signed out of the account, tried to open Gmail, had to sign in,
and then I remain signed into the account.
The next time I open Gmail, no problem.
Please see next paragraph.Only have the "stay signed-in" option enabled for a computer that you feel is secure, i.e, one that stays inside a locked house. I don't know how to enable "stay signed in." As I said, it's like a default setting.
I enabled 2-step via the computer I will be taking with me at times. I made sure to trust that computer. I understand that 2-step affects getting into my Chrome/Google account. What I don't understand is I remain signed in to My Account (the cookies?) so that I can turn on the computer and immediately go into Gmail. How is Gmail then protected by hackers and such?
Diane,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:08 AM, DEP/Dodo <depf...@gmail.com> wrote:If you're taking a computer out of the house and that computer doesn't require you to enter a password when logging into your Google account then that's an issue. I have had no need to log into my Google account, yet have been able to access Gmail, Chrome browser, Google to search, etc. If the computer is stolen, you have zero protection. Any computer you take with you should be requiring a password to login. And mine does. Wait--are you still talking about a password for the Google account or a password to get into your computer?If you're accessing Gmail then you're logged into your Google account. Think of it this way. From your laptop, do you have to type in any password to enter your Gmail account or do you just click on something to enter it? If you don't have to type in a password then neither would anyone else if you lost that laptop or it was stolen. So for a computer that you're taking with you out in public to someplace where it might get lost or stolen, make sure that a password is required to enter Google/Gmail. If you have a password on the computer itself than that's better still but I think it safer to require a password on Google/Gmail too just in case someone gets a hold of your computer after you've already logged into the computer with the computer's password.The computer I'd be taking out of the house has been trusted.
I don't think I understand what you mean anymore when you say your computer "has been trusted."
It has been explained to me and I believe I have read it: With regard to 2-step, when I opt to not require a verif. code on a particular computer, it is "trusted." I have also read the term "registered." My opinion is it is "more trusted" (my terminology) when both the account password and a verif code are required.
To me I've meant by that phrase that I'm telling Google that I don't want to have to enter a 2 step verification code anymore for that computer/browser.
Agreed.
But that doesn't increase security for that computer, rather, if anything, it reduces security for that computer. By not requiring verification codes for that computer, I'm counting on my own ability to keep the computer out of the hands of a thief or hacker and I'm willing to forego the protection of 2 step verification just because I trust that I can protect it on my own and I'd like to not have to take the extra tedious step of entering a verification code.
So if you would ever "trust a computer" (or decline having to enter verification codes) that should be on a computer that you have securely at home, not one that you take with you out in public. That seems to be the opposite of what you say you're doing.
Therefore, a password would be required for me or anyone to login to my Google account. No verif. code would be required on that trusted computer.
Can't recall to what I was referring. I do understand if I am required to sign into my Google account, I will need my password.
Not having to enter a verification code does NOT mean that you are forced to enter a password.
I think we agree a person is forced to enter only a password to sign into a Google account if signed out. That is a general requirement with or without 2-step.
Not having to enter a verification code only means that, if your account login requires a password, then you won't also have to provide the code.
This, to me, means if 2-step has been enabled but I opt to not require codes to sign into Google on a particular computer.
But if you have your password saved via cookies such as the "stay signed in" option then you won't have to enter a password in the first place. If you're not having to enter a password because it appears that you're always logged in for some reason, then the verification code is irrelevant.
Understood and agreed as dissected above. If I'm mistaken, please advise!
Both before and after enabling 2-step, I was required to provide my password to sign into the account. I rarely had a need to do this. And, then and now, I can turn on the computer and go right into Gmail w/o being required to sign into my account. Iessentially have repeated what I wrote above (#1 item). Any and all repetition on my part isan effort to be clear.
There's the risk. You can go right into Gmail without having to enter a password. If you can do it from that computer then so can anyone else who gets a hold of your computer.
Of course.
Whether you believe it or not, you're not having to enter a password indicates that you're already logged into your Google/Gmail account.
I do believe that and now understand how to not remain signed into my account.
I understand that going to the account settings requires you to "re-enter" your password. It does that for all of us. This is just an extra security step to make sure that whoever is about to enter that area of Google from which passwords can be changed really does know the password. So maybe the thief who takes your laptop from you won't be able to access that part of Google where your password can be changed but he doesn't need to change it anyway if no password is required to get into your Gmail. If you don't want your emails and email contacts exposed to anyone who steals or finds your laptop, you need to logout of Google/Gmail and disable the stay signed in option when you next enter the password. And not requiring verification codes does not force you to enter a password. You've already proved that as you've trusted your computer but are still able to get into Gmail without entering a password.
In repetitious summary: If the trusted computer is stolen, the thief would have to know my password to get into my Google account.
You mean the thief would have to enter your password to enter that security settings area of Google. Everyone has to re-enter a password to get in there even when they're already logged in. It's just an extra security step but the thief doesn't necessarily care to go there anyway.
That's what I'm saying--so the thief, or anyone, would have to know my password in order to enter it. Aren't we saying the same thing?
However, he/she would have no problem going directly into Gmail as I apparently am always signed in.
Exactly. You need to disable whatever is keeping you always signed in. This is your greatest risk unless you keep your computer locked up at home and don't take it out in public.
As stated above, I now see how to sign out of my account to require signing in at the next visit. Because I had always remained signed in, not paying attention to the "sign out" option, I did not "connect the dots."
In experimenting, I have signed out of the account, tried to open Gmail, had to sign in,So if you logout of Google then Gmail requires a password to sign back in. That's good. That also proves, by the way, that you have to be logged into Google to get into Gmail. Your Gmail account is your Google account.and then I remain signed into the account.The next time I open Gmail, no problem.You mean no password required, I think, but that's the problem. Somewhere on the page where you had to enter a password, there must have been some option in small print possibly that said something about staying signed in or keep me signed in. If you see that, disable or uncheck that option.Please see next paragraph.Only have the "stay signed-in" option enabled for a computer that you feel is secure, i.e, one that stays inside a locked house. I don't know how to enable "stay signed in." As I said, it's like a default setting.
You need to find it and disable it.
--Done.Regards,Kenneth
Congratulations on getting your two-step verification going. I can't imagine how we'd have figured that out.
There is no way! I was so frustrated because it was very clear that I should have been able to receive codes by voice on my landline or even dumbphone.
I don't believe this and must run it by you. I signed out and shut down this computer (desktop). A couple of minutes later, I remembered I wanted to do one more thing. So I turned on the computer again, clicked on the blue and white Google icon in my taskbar. It is requiring me to sign into my account. That would be okay except I can open my Gmail and Chrome and am signed into both. How can this be?
And I don't understand your explanation, Marko. Chrome is opening Gmail and Chrome is opening itself? But (Chrome) Google requires a password?
You can create shortcuts like these with any web page/web app. Simply open the site you want, then click the options button (3 bars, top-right) then 'More tools>Add to taskbar...'
As to your statement "The blue and white Gmail icon (Gmail Offline) is essentially a shortcut to Chrome, opening a specific URL." The blue-and-white icon to which I was referring was the Google icon.
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Wow, Marko! What tells you that it is a shortcut to IE? I can't tell!
Also, how do I get a Google shortcut for Chrome? I wanted to do what you showed me for the Gmail icon in the taskbar, but those 3 Chrome bars are not available on the Google window.
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This too is IE. If you click on the 'gear' icon, top-right, you will see an 'About Internet Explorer' menu item. My guess is IE 9.
MSN.com is the default home page that ships with IE. You have probably just added www.google.com to the list in IE Internet Options.Google offers that when you visit www.google.com with IE:
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I have no intention of switching to W10 for quite a while!