Suggestion: Disposable GMail Account

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P-Dawg

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Nov 27, 2008, 5:23:39 AM11/27/08
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Dear GMail Team,


it would be great if you could implement disposable gmail accounts
that are associated with the primary gmail account. All email that
comes to this address will be automatically forwarded to the main
gmail account. A user have full control on when to disable disposible
accounts.

I usually use spambox.us or trashmail.com for these purposes but it
would be great if such feature would be an integral part of GMail. It
would make GMail service even more unique not to mention an added
layer of spam protection.

-RD

Zack (Doc)

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Nov 27, 2008, 10:05:34 AM11/27/08
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They basically have them already...
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12096&topic=13271

They call it "address alias", others call it "plus addressing". Just
add a +whatever to your GMail user name when giving out your e-mail.
If you want to dispose of it, just make a filter that throws away mail
to that address.

And GMail Team has to official e-mail address you can send to them.
We're fellow GMail Users.
--

Jean-Luc Picard - "Things are only impossible until they're not."

Julie

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Nov 27, 2008, 10:01:47 AM11/27/08
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By using dots etc in your email address (e.g  this...@gmail.com becomes this....@gmail.com) and then setting filters for the results, you have that sort of control already.

Or for extra security, simply set up a new Gmail account. It is your account and you can close it, or simply ignore it whenever you choose.

P-Dawg

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Dec 2, 2008, 7:27:13 PM12/2/08
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I am well familiar with . and with + however this doesn't hide my
identity. I need an address that would completely disguise me.

Say, like 8ded7...@gmail.com that I can dispose any time and
then emails coming to it would bounce.
As far as creating new gmails accounts for this purpose - it is
neither practical nor approved by google. It takes too long to set up
a new account
if I only need it for less than 24 hours. Still can't think of better
substitute for the disposables. I use spambox.us - it's great just
wish something
like this would be a part of GMail - would have made this service even
more unique.

P.

On Nov 27, 8:05 am, "Zack (Doc)" <z...@tnan.net> wrote:
> They basically have them already...http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12096&topic=13271

Zack (Doc)

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Dec 3, 2008, 10:04:31 AM12/3/08
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I'm not aware of any e-mail service that offers this natively.

I use spamgourmet.com myself and have it forward to a +address. They
have a number of domains you can use, and set the "timeout" on the
temporary address within the address, so you know how it's going to
work exactly when you create it.
--

Samuel Johnson - "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone
who can do him absolutely no good."

P-Dawg

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Dec 3, 2008, 12:54:09 PM12/3/08
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> I'm not aware of any e-mail service that offers this natively.
That's why it would make GMail even more unique

> I use spamgourmet.com
Thanks a lot, I will look into it!



On Dec 3, 8:04 am, "Zack (Doc)" <z...@tnan.net> wrote:
> I'm not aware of any e-mail service that offers this natively.
>
> I use spamgourmet.com myself and have it forward to a +address.  They
> have a number of domains you can use, and set the "timeout" on the
> temporary address within the address, so you know how it's going to
> work exactly when you create it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 19:27, P-Dawg <pavel.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  I am well familiar with . and with + however this doesn't hide my
> > identity. I need an address that would completely disguise me.
>
> > Say, like       8ded7ff...@gmail.com  that I can dispose any time and

Kenneth Ayers

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Dec 3, 2008, 2:08:58 PM12/3/08
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It wouldn't make GMail unique.  Yahoo! Mail Plus offers disposable email addresses.  It works pretty much as you described too so I was beginning to think you were already aware of Yahoo!'s DEA feature.

P-Dawg

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Dec 3, 2008, 2:22:02 PM12/3/08
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Wow that's impressive! I never knew that. I wish GMail offered that
for free - would attract more paying customers from Yahoo!

On Dec 3, 12:08 pm, "Kenneth Ayers" <justkenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It wouldn't make GMail unique.  Yahoo! Mail Plus offers disposable email
> addresses.  It works pretty much as you described too so I was beginning to
> think you were already aware of Yahoo!'s DEA feature.
>

bkennelly

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Dec 3, 2008, 3:59:14 PM12/3/08
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It is already available, for free, with Gmail. As Julie suggested,
you can simply create a Gmail account with the random name, and set it
to forward to you main account.

P-Dawg

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Dec 3, 2008, 4:47:13 PM12/3/08
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my random account needs to be available for a few hours only. I would
like to avoid logging out from my main account and logging into the
disposable one (cookie collision). Besides I don't think Google would
approve creating an account for 30 minutes.

Ryan Morehart

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Dec 3, 2008, 5:38:59 PM12/3/08
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Why not just create a spam account you always use for this sort of
thing and have it forward to your main account? Then if you ever find
you're getting too much spam through it you can remove the account or
just stop it forwarding.

Ryan

Julie

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Dec 3, 2008, 5:30:06 PM12/3/08
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Please excuse my naivety, but what legitimate reason could you possibly have for using an email address for 30 minutes and then killing it.

It seems to me that such "throwaway" accounts are only going to be a boon to spammers et al.

So please explain why you need such an account and we may be able to offer alternative solutions.

P-Dawg

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Dec 3, 2008, 6:52:54 PM12/3/08
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There are activities the origin of which I would rather keep private
and that require my mailbox to exhibit the following behavior:

1. I want one person to send me a few emailmessages but I do not want
the person to know that he/she is sending these emails to the same
account

Alice sends email1 to rG6H...@gmail.com
Alice sends email2 to Tgd5...@gmail.com

Both emails end up in legitimate b...@gmail.com but Alice doesn't know
this.

2. Bob disables both rG6H...@gmail.com and Tgd5...@gmail.com and
if Alice sends an email to either of this after 6PM (say) she receives
a message that her email cannot be delivered. She still has no idea
she was trying to reach Bob.

I think this description should suffice without explaining where this
might get in handy.
This is actually the next lever of online identity protection program.
Think of dating sites for example.
As far as spam concerned - I am not worried about spam on my primary
email account since GMail does an excellent job filtering my spam.

:) PD

On Dec 3, 3:30 pm, Julie <julieja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please excuse my naivety, but what legitimate reason could you possibly have
> for using an email address for 30 minutes and then killing it.
>
> It seems to me that such "throwaway" accounts are only going to be a boon to
> spammers et al.
>
> So please explain why you need such an account and we may be able to offer
> alternative solutions.
>

P-Dawg

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Dec 3, 2008, 6:54:15 PM12/3/08
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Spam is no an issue. I want one person to send multiple messages to my
without knowing that she/he is contacting the same person.


On Dec 3, 3:38 pm, "Ryan Morehart" <moreh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not just create a spam account you always use for this sort of
> thing and have it forward to your main account? Then if you ever find
> you're getting too much spam through it you can remove the account or
> just stop it forwarding.
>
> Ryan
>

Julie

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Dec 4, 2008, 5:31:53 AM12/4/08
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It still seems to me that this is not a legitimate use of email.

To take your example, Alice will now have sent multiples emails, to various (for her) different people, potentially giving out personal information.

After 6pm she will be unable to reach any of these people, but Bob will have all of her information.

If such "throwaway" accounts were available, then this would be an ideal cover for a phishing exploit, garnering a small piece of information each time, but in total collecting everything they needed.

Also Spammers could happily use such account to send out their spam and then dissappear after a set time. They do that anyway, but "throwaway" accounts would make it easier for spammers to get started.

Zack (Doc)

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Dec 4, 2008, 8:29:55 AM12/4/08
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I have to agree with Julie. And I take serious issue with your
example of a dating site.

Every social networking site I've allowed myself to be associated with
uses internal tracking to deliver messages to you, so the other people
you meet don't know your real address unless you chose to give it to
them. They use the site's tools to generate messages to your account.

If I were using a dating site, I'd want to know that when I send to
two different people that they are two different people. If I were
potentially dating this person, I would eventually find out about this
subterfuge, and be angry about it.

Further, that is exactly the kind of tactic used by online predators.
I've worked with law enforcement to track and capture predators, and
it's very common practice for them to create two accounts and pretend
they are different people. Often one is a young person who will vouch
for the older person, gaining the trust of the victim.

Lastly, online identity protection?!? Be serious. You're already on
an anonymous account. Anyone can sign up for a live.com, yahoo.com,
or gmail.com address with little/no information and be sending
messages in minutes. I work with security personnel and can think of
no way that providing a time-limited incoming only e-mail works as
identity protection when anonymous accounts are already in use.
--

Robert Frost - "The best way out is always through."

P-Dawg

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Dec 4, 2008, 8:19:04 AM12/4/08
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Julie,

I am not sure how a disposable email address will make phishing more
accessible to general public.
Neither do I understand why Alice would give her personal information
to a person behind an anonymous email address when
she is well aware that she SHOULD NOT send such data via email in
general even to a person that she trusts.

I completely agree that such account capabilities will open more doors
for spammers and fraud in general. However this is the same type of
argument that would suggest that syringes need to be banned because
they can be used by drug addicts. All cell phones must be forbidden
because terrorists will use them to trigger bombs. Online banking must
be completely illegal because it makes citizens more prone to
financial scams. Any achievement in science and technology ALWAYS has
two sides. Any seemingly useful invention will ALWAYS find it's way
into hands of bad people. This is the fundamental property of human
kind. We should learn how to protect our progress against such misuse
but not by means of the stagnation.

PD


On Dec 4, 3:31 am, Julie <julieja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It still seems to me that this is not a legitimate use of email.
>
> To take your example, Alice will now have sent multiples emails, to various
> (for her) different people, potentially giving out personal information.
>
> After 6pm she will be unable to reach any of these people, but Bob will have
> all of her information.
>
> If such "throwaway" accounts were available, then this would be an ideal
> cover for a phishing exploit, garnering a small piece of information each
> time, but in total collecting everything they needed.
>
> Also Spammers could happily use such account to send out their spam and then
> dissappear after a set time. They do that anyway, but "throwaway" accounts
> would make it easier for spammers to get started.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:52 AM, P-Dawg <pavel.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are activities the origin of which I would rather keep private
> > and that require my mailbox to exhibit the following behavior:
>
> > 1. I want one person to send me a few emailmessages  but I do not want
> > the person to know that he/she is sending these emails to the same
> > account
>
> > Alice sends email1 to rG6Hn...@gmail.com
> > Alice sends email2 to Tgd50...@gmail.com
>
> > Both emails end up in legitimate b...@gmail.com but Alice doesn't know
> > this.
>
> > 2. Bob disables both rG6Hn...@gmail.com  and  Tgd50...@gmail.com and

miran osabnik

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Dec 4, 2008, 3:05:17 PM12/4/08
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I just have a quetion... ? Whats the purpose or reason, that you would legimately need an email account, for a very short time, not being on your name and disposing it in a short time. I doesnt seam legal to me, so i think , and this is only my personall opinion, this isnt very legal, is it? You shouldnt expect google to support whatever your goal is should you?

Julie

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Dec 4, 2008, 6:10:02 PM12/4/08
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PD

Don;t take it personally.  But as I asked before what legitimate reason could you possibly have for using an email address for 30 minutes and then killing it.

You gave an example, I simply pointed out what COULD happen. We all know that we SHOULD NOT send personal information via email, but we all do it.

Why would your imaginery Alice trust someone (2 or more people) behind anonymous adresses. If I was her I would simply never reply to those addresses anyway.  So once again I ask, what legitimate reason have you for needing such a set up?

I am just now very curious as to what you are trying to do?

Reid Burroughs

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Dec 5, 2008, 10:51:42 PM12/5/08
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Maybe an elaborate form of labeling??? It is short lived but not illegal.


--
Reid Burroughs
It's a Great Time

Andrew Ingraham

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Dec 6, 2008, 11:25:11 AM12/6/08
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People are talking about illegal.

As far as I can see (I'm a human, not a lawyer), nothing illegal has been
suggested.

But it does seem unethical, the way it would be put to use. Illegal?
Perhaps not. Immoral? Definitely.

To the person posting the original question: since you already have a
solution (spambox.us alias), I would suggest you don't need yet another one.
I would not be in favor of Gmail adding this as a new feature, to be used in
the way it was suggested. Billions know about Gmail. Billions don't know
about spambox.us. I'd prefer to keep it that way. It's just too unsettling
to be abused in the way you and others have suggested.

Anyway, I don't see why a Gmail account "takes too long to set up". It was
pretty quick and easy when I did it. I spent a few minutes setting up the
appearance, but who cares about that?

Andy


Zack (Doc)

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Dec 6, 2008, 2:49:09 PM12/6/08
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Right, and for the purposes I can see being legitimate (as described
on the spambox.us site), there are dozens of options out there
already. I was using spambob.com, but it's been shut down apparently.
I switched to email.bugmenot.com, but they've apparently gotten tired
too. BUT they provide a nice list of 10 other sites which do it,
which don't require a signup like spambox.us so you can use them
without even thinking.

My point being... it's already being done, and I don't support GMail
setting it up as a feature either, because some forum owners already
don't trust gmail.com/live.com/yahoo.com addresses cause you can sign
up for them so easily. If that same address could be something that
lasts only 15 minutes, they'll trust it even less.

Julie

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Dec 6, 2008, 4:55:54 PM12/6/08
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I never said it was illegal.  I simply asked what legitimate use it could be put too. I was hoping that PD would explain clearly for what purpose he wanted to use such email addresses.  Then perhaps someone could offer a better solution.

Xavier Mathews

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Dec 6, 2008, 4:20:36 PM12/6/08
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Why would we just create an account just for some spam that is to much to go through and spam is not the problem.

Xavier A. Mathews
Student/Browser Specialist/Developer/Web-Master
Google Group Client Based Tech Support Specialist
Hazel Crest Illinois
xavier...@gmail.com¥xavier...@hotmail.com¥trues...@yahoo.com
"Fear of a name, only increases fear of the thing itself."

P-Dawg

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Dec 9, 2008, 7:20:52 PM12/9/08
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Hey all, I am back! Well, I am still not going to give up my reasons
for having such feature available. I will just say that it has
something to do with my personal private life which I am unwilling to
talk about in public. Hope you understand.

I will reassure you that there is nothing illegal going on however you
do not have to believe me.

> My point being... it's already being done

If we get back to the Alice-Bob scenario then remember that Alice
herself can create a randomly named email address and talk to Bob.
This way she can always be protected no worse than Bob is. As soon as
she figures out something is not the way she expected things to go she
cuts the ends and it's over.

As Zack stated there are tons of such services available online
already. Even if I wanted to assault Alice I would use them. My point
here is that it is a mere matter of convenience to have these
temporary addresses tight to my primary GMail account. I am sure
google would retain all the records about all my addresses used and if
Alice goes and rats on me to the Police - it will be easy for the
police to track down my primary Gmail account by issuing a subpoena to
Google. So if anything such a feature would actually ease life to the
Law Enforcement.

More here:

> ....... it's already being done, and I don't support GMail setting it up as a feature either, because some forum owners already
> don't trust gmail.com/live.com/yahoo.com addresses cause you can sign
> up for them so easily.  If that same address could be something that
> lasts only 15 minutes, they'll trust it even less.

It is too bad for those forums. If they want to lose more participants
they are free to impose more strict requirements on email addresses.
If Fatwallet.com banns or GMail/Yahoo!/Live users, this void in the
online environment will be immediately filled by another
Fatwallet.com's competitor who would welcome all such domains
(GM,Y!,etc), Fatwallet.com will use is revenue from advertisements.

However, if GMail sees a threat to its business by enabling the
disposables then here is another solution. Let all disposable gmail
addresses have a different domain. Say Q7dT4...@tempGmail.com
instead of Q7dT4...@gmail.com, then all those forums/facebooks/
myspaces and the alike are more than welcome to ban everything from
@tempGmail.com

-PD

P-Dawg

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Dec 9, 2008, 7:20:52 PM12/9/08
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Hey all, I am back! Well, I am still not going to give up my reasons
for having such feature available. I will just say that it has
something to do with my personal private life which I am unwilling to
talk about in public. Hope you understand.

I will reassure you that there is nothing illegal going on however you
do not have to believe me.

> My point being... it's already being done

If we get back to the Alice-Bob scenario then remember that Alice
herself can create a randomly named email address and talk to Bob.
This way she can always be protected no worse than Bob is. As soon as
she figures out something is not the way she expected things to go she
cuts the ends and it's over.

As Zack stated there are tons of such services available online
already. Even if I wanted to assault Alice I would use them. My point
here is that it is a mere matter of convenience to have these
temporary addresses tight to my primary GMail account. I am sure
google would retain all the records about all my addresses used and if
Alice goes and rats on me to the Police - it will be easy for the
police to track down my primary Gmail account by issuing a subpoena to
Google. So if anything such a feature would actually ease life to the
Law Enforcement.

More here:

> ....... it's already being done, and I don't support GMail setting it up as a feature either, because some forum owners already
> don't trust gmail.com/live.com/yahoo.com addresses cause you can sign
> up for them so easily.  If that same address could be something that
> lasts only 15 minutes, they'll trust it even less.

It is too bad for those forums. If they want to lose more participants
they are free to impose more strict requirements on email addresses.
If Fatwallet.com banns or GMail/Yahoo!/Live users, this void in the
online environment will be immediately filled by another
Fatwallet.com's competitor who would welcome all such domains
(GM,Y!,etc), Fatwallet.com will use is revenue from advertisements.

However, if GMail sees a threat to its business by enabling the
disposables then here is another solution. Let all disposable gmail
addresses have a different domain. Say Q7dT4...@tempGmail.com
instead of Q7dT4...@gmail.com, then all those forums/facebooks/
myspaces and the alike are more than welcome to ban everything from
@tempGmail.com

-PD





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