Conversation View On/Off
Kenneth Ayers
next few days". Just wondering if anyone here has received it yet and
if they'd like to comment on it.
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Zack (Doc)
Just_Joe
would prefer to turn it off isn't worth commenting on.)
I only hope Google's new code to support the [worthless] new option
doesn't break Gmail (again).
Andy
> would prefer to turn it off isn't worth commenting on.)
Hey, I take offense at that!
Quite seriously, I'd use Conversation view most of the time, but once
in a while it just doesn't work right ... like when a single thread
gets fragmented into three separate interwoven Conversations. Then it
becomes a real pain (i.e., impossible) to try to follow it in
chronological order. Hopefully by switching to individual messages,
I'd be able to do that.
So I anticipate turning Conversation View on and off as the need arises.
I am glad for this change, if it is real.
Anyone who thinks they can jam their preferences down my throat, isn't
worth commenting on. ;-)
Andy
Zack (Doc)
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Surely this is about choice, flexibility & freedom?
What's the problem - as long as Gmail continues to work, & you can use it as suits your preferences?
I have not got it yet (UK); but I appreciate the introduction.
There are occasions, although not often, when it would be convenient to have the option to choose, and I appreciate that it has been introduced, so I will be able to view or acess my mail in that format without having to forward it or download to another mail client.
I'm glad earlier posters chose not to comment on others' preferences or behaviour; this is not the place for personal attacks or abuse.
Just_Joe
recipient modified the subject as part of his/her reply, so Gmail was
simply working the way it always does, so, *not* a problem with Gmail--
just a problem with the way some people like to handle their email
(and some of them simply screwing around on purpose--morons use e-
mail, too, and some of them are "friends" of mine). However, I'm sure
there's the occasional bug that crops up, though that's hardly a
significant concern with regard to message handling--bugs come and go.
On Sep 29, 6:50 pm, "Zack (Doc)" <z...@tnan.net> wrote:
> Given that the link I posted is from the official GMail blog, I'd say it's
> pretty real.
>
> I also say that it's a step in the wrong direction. Like the previous
> poster I consider it very silly to choose to use GMail and *NOT* want one of
> the main features. And a feature it's pretty easy to get around by using
> POP and/or IMAP and using your own client.
>
> I also think they're taking this the wrong way. Like you, I too find it
> occasionally puts messages into conversations where they don't belong, or
> fails to add them where they do. This is becoming a minority of situations,
> and 90% of the time I can see where the poster is responsible for the
> problem being created. I believe the PROPER fix they should have put in was
> the ability to force a message in or out of a conversation, thereby
> correcting the situations above that I've outlined.
>
> But as a point of order to the OP; I don't have it right now, and won't be
> able to offer an opinion once it's available as I will be leaving it on. To
> me, it's a very good thing (I like cilantro too [read the blog post if
> you're confused]).
>
> > > "Conversation View" is the #1 reason why I use Gmail. (Anyone who
> > > would prefer to turn it off isn't worth commenting on.)
>
> > Hey, I take offense at that!
>
> > Quite seriously, I'd use Conversation view most of the time, but once
> > in a while it just doesn't work right ... like when a single thread
> > gets fragmented into three separate interwoven Conversations. Then it
> > becomes a real pain (i.e., impossible) to try to follow it in
> > chronological order. Hopefully by switching to individual messages,
> > I'd be able to do that.
>
> > So I anticipate turning Conversation View on and off as the need arises.
>
> > I am glad for this change, if it is real.
>
> > Anyone who thinks they can jam their preferences down my throat, isn't
> > worth commenting on. ;-)
>
> > Andy
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Andy
subject, or if it is ever a Gmail bug, isn't important.
The fact is that email threads sometimes don't end up like we want
them. Having a tool available to to help with that, can be a good
thing. I agree with Zack that it's a poor alternative to being able
to combine fragmented conversations together; but in lieu of that,
this at least helps. Slightly.
I'm guessing they are going to make it a choice in Settings, where it
doesn't really help me. Me, I'd prefer they put it on the menu bar so
I can change it on-the-fly and see the results immediately. Oh well.
Andy
Andy
> recipient modified the subject as part of his/her reply, so Gmail was
> simply working the way it always does, so, *not* a problem with Gmail--
Just this morning I received two emails, 15 minutes apart, and they
have EXACTLY IDENTICAL subjects. I extracted their subject lines and
compared them, character by character. No extra spaces, no changes in
punctuation or case, no odd or invisible characters. 100% identical.
So why did Gmail make them separate Conversations? It sure as heck beats me.
(Yes, I get plenty of other cases where someone alters a subject,
whether deliberately or accidentally.)
The point is, we ought to have the ability to recombine them
regardless of how they got fragmented.
Andy
Kenneth Ayers
Settings/General between the Browser Connection option (https or http)
and My Picture option.
First thing I noticed is that a five email conversation between me and
my insurance agent that was in my Inbox had become just two separate
emails. The three emails from me were no longer in my Inbox. They
were, of course, in my Sent label. Makes sense but still it caught me
by surprise.
Also the "-Show quoted text-" and "-Hide quoted text-" links are now
gone as unthreaded emails are now show in their entirety. This I was
expecting and this too makes sense but it reminded me of just how much
extra (quoted) baggage are conversation replies contain that we may
forget about. In long conversations, we may get to the point where
we're just exchanging quick sentences or short paragraphs, and that's
all you see in conversation view with the quotes hidden, but each
reply carries the entire conversation along with it. I guess with
nearly unlimited storage it doesn't matter much but it's something to
think about.
Kenneth
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With conversation view off and a five email conversation reduced to
two (three are in Sent label), I archived one of the two remaining
emails, so the Inbox now only has one email from the thread.
Turned conversation view back on. The entire five email conversation
appears in the Inbox.
Turned conversation view off again. Only the one email from the
thread is in the Inbox. Gmail remembers that I had archived one of
the emails.
The point? Conversation view is powerful. Only one of the five
emails I see in an Inbox conversation is really there in my Inbox.
The others are either archived or in Sent, but conversation view
collects them all and presents them as a cohesive thread.
But I'm thinking too much from a folder point of view. None of the
emails are really IN anything. I guess they're all just a bunch of
emails in a cloud with various labels slapped on them. Conversation
view just collects the emails that belong together and presents that
collection to every label view that any one of the emails has been
stuck with.
Kenneth
Just_Joe
edit the subject specifically so as to allow him/her to "break-out"
the reply from an existing conversation (presuming the recipient is
also using Gmail) because all email clients *should* allow that--it's
just not encouraged (obviously). But there's no reason to modify one's
whole approach to threading messages because someone in a thread
decides to break it--the immaculate convenience of conversations/
threading is too great for that. Bugs are another matter. And as to
how Gmail determines what makes a message part of a conversation, it's
mostly (entirely?) subject and sender/recipient list (though sometimes
you can't tell whether something else in the mix is either a bug or
Google fairy dust). It's not *always* perfect, but I've had next to no
problems with it.