Stupid Gmail rules Wait 5 days for security question

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comgar

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Dec 14, 2006, 8:51:21 AM12/14/06
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*If you don't have a secondary email address associate with your Gmail
account, you may retrieve your password by correctly answering your
security question after your Gmail account has been idle for five
days.
You'll need to refrain from login attempts for five consecutive days in
order to access this option. This protects active Gmail accounts from
unauthorized access.

I have had gmail since the beginning
I moved to a whole new province and must have missed updating my
secondary address
for some reason I had to change password.
In the middle of this something happened
I cant sign on
Of course google is too big to actually get any help
I have been trying various things
then I get an auto reply telling me for security reasons if i cant try
and access my account for 5 days before i get security question.
If this isn't the stupidest policy I have ever heard of I dont what
is.
this is devestating

Ryan Morehart

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Dec 14, 2006, 12:13:04 PM12/14/06
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On 12/14/06, comgar <led...@louisbourg.info> wrote:
If this isn't the stupidest policy     I have ever heard of I dont what
is.
this is devestating

This "stupid policy" is designed to keep your account safe. If anyone could request the security question at any time, someone who wanted access to your account could get it and, with far more ease than finding your password, answer the question. This would be especially dangerous if it was someone who knew you and your question was something like "your mother's maiden name."

Ryan
 


comgar

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Dec 15, 2006, 6:40:52 AM12/15/06
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well make it a harder question but 5 days and if i try to access my
account i have to start over.
Security is ruining computers. There has to be a better solution. Gmail
is in its self not private anyway.
So what is the point. If security is your real concern encrypt it. If
you want to read my emails go ahead.
5 days is crazy 1 day maybe

Zack (Doc)

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Dec 15, 2006, 7:03:33 AM12/15/06
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that's 5 days from the last time your e-mail was last successfully
accessed, so trying again, day after day won't reset anything.

Part of that point is to prevent someone from using that method if
you're really in your mail. 5 days is a reasonable time to assume you
haven't really been in your mail, as I know people who regularly go
that long without reading it (I can't unless I'm on a boat at sea, but
that's me).

And to clarify... unscrupulous advertisers and bored hackers are
ruining computers... security is TRYING to restore some sanity and
still allow legitamate users access to their data.

In the security world they have a saying, "security is the inverse of
access", or s =1/a. The more security you have, the less access. The
more access you have, the less security. The trick is finding a
reasonable middle-ground.

Juha Siltala

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Dec 16, 2006, 4:36:24 AM12/16/06
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"I don't care if you see my data" is the worst ever argument against
security. That's how the entire internet gets insecure, by having users
who don't care about "their own data" having their machines owned by
crackers who then use them to crack other boxen owned by people who DO
care about their data. Let alone the spam zombies.

Zack, "bored hackers" by the way do not break the system, they create
them. The internet is made of Linux boxen and free protocols. You are
talking about stupid script kiddies and malicious criminals.

MyGoodFriend

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Dec 16, 2006, 9:35:30 PM12/16/06
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comgar,

I can't help with your immediate problem, but here's a suggestion that
would help some in the future if this happens again and is also
generally useful. I use gmail for reading/sending my email, but my
gmail address is not the one I give out. Instead, I use a forwarder
email address, which forwards my email to my actual address. In my
case, I have an account on bigfoot. I give out the bigfoot address,
and all mail that goes there gets immediately redirected to my actual
address. If I were to change my email from gmail to something else
(such as aol ;-) then I only have to change the 'send to' address on
bigfoot.com and all my email will immediately start going to aol
instead of to gmail -- no need to tell people and 300 web sites that my
email has changed. In your case, you could use this to at least
forward your new mail to some other place you use temporarily (yahoo,
aol, comcast, whatever) and see that while waiting for the 5 days to
pass.

Chimmer

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Dec 17, 2006, 4:36:23 PM12/17/06
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On Dec 16, 8:35 pm, "MyGoodFriend" <pauldin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> comgar,


> Instead, I use a forwarder
> email address, which forwards my email to my actual address. In my
> case, I have an account on bigfoot. I give out the bigfoot address,
> and all mail that goes there gets immediately redirected to my actual
> address.

What happens when you reply to an email, do your recipients then see
your actual address instead of the bigfoot address? Also, when you get
the mail forwarded, does it include the "forward headers?"

Juha Siltala

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Dec 18, 2006, 2:46:10 AM12/18/06
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Recipients will see whatever address you wish them to see. Add the
outside account to gmail and make it default, and people will never
know you're even using gmail (well unless they study the headers more
closely).

On Dec 17, 11:36 pm, "Chimmer" <chim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 8:35 pm, "MyGoodFriend" <pauldin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > comgar,
> > Instead, I use a forwarder
> > email address, which forwards my email to my actual address. In my
> > case, I have an account on bigfoot. I give out the bigfoot address,
> > and all mail that goes there gets immediately redirected to my actual

> > address.What happens when you reply to an email, do your recipients then see

Chimmer

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Dec 18, 2006, 7:24:05 AM12/18/06
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On Dec 18, 1:46 am, "Juha Siltala" <jsilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recipients will see whatever address you wish them to see. Add the
> outside account to gmail and make it default, and people will never
> know you're even using gmail (well unless they study the headers more
> closely).

I was referring to the previous poster and his Bigfoot forwarding
account.

MyGoodFriend

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Dec 18, 2006, 7:46:39 PM12/18/06
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Chimmer, Juha gave the answer I would have given. gmail allows me to
set my bigfoot.com address as the one that it appears I sent it from.

The headers show my bigfoot address in the "From:" field and my gmail
address (where I'm really sending it from) in the "Sender:" field.

So, both are in there, but to the person receiving it / replying to it
it looks like a bigfoot address. I suppose that's at the discretion of
the software they're using.

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