Follow-up-All Messages received or sent, I get Undeliverable message from Google,get them all!!!???

[Thompson1]

I have now gotten 18 undeliverables today, and received all, and all
sent received as well. At wits end.
ThThompson1ank you for your input

[Sean Murphy]

    I've never heard of what you are describing, and don't have any ideas, which is why I have not responded to any of your previous posts. I suspect a similar situation for others, so I am posting just to let you know that your question is being read. Have you tried using Gmail Help? Maybe someone at Google can help you, or maybe it is a known situation with the answer already in the Help pages.

-Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice...

[Julie]

Well I can only make an educated guess, but it sounds as though you emails are being cc'd or bcc'd to another none existant address, hence you get the undeliverable message.

I suggest that you check carefully, and double check the "headers" of the returning messages to see if there is any clue therein.

Julie

[Andy]

> I have now gotten 18 undeliverables today, and received all, and all
> sent received as well. At wits end.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what's
happening.

When someone sends you an email, you receive it OK, but then you also get an
"undeliverable" message? Or is the sender getting the "undeliverable"
message?

Check that you don't have any email forwarding turned on. It sounds like
they are being forwarded to another address which doesn't exist.

Andy

[Thompson1]

I am getting undeliverable message at roKuban3@gmail-my address is
RoNkuban3@gmail-notice in missing in undeliverable part. Yet people i
send message to and get messages from are showing FROM: Ronkuban3 ar
to RonKuban 3, IEven though far from expert, I have never seen
anything like this. Thank you!!

[Nick Chirchirillo]

Take a look at your account settings https://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/accounts
Is there a different reply-to address under your default email address?

--
-Nick

[Thompson1]

Sorry, everytime I get an e-mail, no problem yet I get with it
another automatically generated e-mail that says permanent failure,
address rokuban3, notice the N after ro is missing in this adress, and
happens with every message I get. This all may have started about two
weeks ago when I sent an e-mail to myself but mistakenly put in the TO
line rokuban3 instead of ronkuban3 ormay hace cc'd rokuban3 instead of
ronkuban3. Following this message I get all information as to who
message sent to or received from and who to- for instane
ronkuban3@gmail to say sister and shows her e-mail address, but always
get this message in addition to either e-mail sent by me or received
by me, with every single one received or sent. Hope this helps. As far
as I know, no recipients get this undeliverable message but me at
least no comments fro ayone and after two weeks wuld have thought
someone would have said something. Hope it helps.
Thank you

[Thompson1]

Nick-Thanks, but went to that link and only address is
ronkuban3@gmail- being a novice of sorts, I see no other address and
do not see a reply to address anywhere in that link you sent.
Ron

On Feb 12, 8:52 am, Nick Chirchirillo <nickma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Take a look at your account settingshttps://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/accounts

> Is there a different reply-to address under your default email address?
>

[Zack (Doc)]

Did you check out the setting at the link I posted on this other
thread you started on the same problem?
http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Users/browse_thread/thread/c6452e57bdf626b1/63dad26090bdb5ba?lnk=gst&q=thompson1+zack#63dad26090bdb5ba

--

Fyodor Dostoevsky - "The second half of a man's life is made up of
nothing but the habits he has acquired during ...

[Thompson1]

Andy, would not know where to insert an e-mail address to any e-mail
forwarding. as you sugest may be possibility. If you could tel me
where to find this , I can look, since I do fool around with machine,
but rarely, if at all change any settings.
Thompson1-Ron Thank you

On Feb 9, 6:01 pm, Andy <ai.eg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Thompson1]

I am sorry Julie, bt what am I looking for in headers and what are
they. New to me. Thank you.Thompson1

> > ThThompson1ank you for your input- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Andy]

> Andy, would not know where to insert an e-mail address to any e-mail
> forwarding. as you sugest may be possibility. If you could tel me
> where to find this , I can look, since I do fool around with machine,
> but rarely, if at all change any settings.

Ron,

Login to your Gmail account.

Click on "Settings". Then click on "Forwarding and POP/IMAP".

After "Forwarding", is the button that says "Disable forwarding" the one
that is selected? If not, click it so that it has the little black dot.

Now click on "Filters". Does it show any Filters?

I am assuming that you use your Gmail by running a web browser and going to
the Gmail website. The other possibility is that you use an email client on
your PC (Thunderbird, Eudora, Outlook Express, etc.), but I'm assuming you
aren't doing this.

Andy

[Nick Chirchirillo]

Please do not reply to the author directly when posting to a forum like this as it can be considered rude.

No, there doesn't have to be anything there, but there can be if you want to specify a different email address for people to reply to.  I was checking to see if you may have specified a different email address as your reply-to address.

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Thompson1 <ronk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there suppose to an e-mail address in box unde default e-mail
address. I have never put one in ans when settin gmail up about 10
months ago, never told to do so, from what recall..
Thank youThompson1

On Feb 12, 8:52 am, Nick Chirchirillo <nickma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Take a look at your account settingshttps://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/accounts

> Is there a different reply-to address under your default email address?
>

> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Thompson1 <ronkub...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am getting undeliverable message at roKuban3@gmail-my address is
> > RoNkuban3@gmail-notice in missing in undeliverable part. Yet people i
> > send message to and get messages from are showing FROM: Ronkuban3 ar
> > to RonKuban 3, IEven though far from expert, I have never seen
> > anything like this. Thank you!!
>
> --

> -Nick

--
-Nick

[Andy]

Ron,

Please reply to the discussion list, not directly to individuals.

You wrote:

> Andy-Do use Outlook and disabled forwarding is selected. Hope helps.
> Did not go further because I use Outlok and for some reason I believe
> that other thigs you mention render sugestions irrelevant. Still
> seeking help'

Even if you are using Outlook, your mail still goes through Gmail's servers
before reaching you. If forwarding is enabled at Gmail's end, then your
email will be forwarded before it ever reaches Outlook on your computer.
The settings on one, do not affect the other.

Log into your Gmail account and check those settings!

Andy

[Thompson1]

I wish to apologize to all those that I have pset somewhat with my lak
ofproperprotocol in usinf ths site. One cannot learn anthin unless
they make mistakes first.I have replied directly to people, a no-no, I
have also done some things that are out of norm lke address certain
people directly. Sure I will make a snafu along way so apologize in
adavance.
There are no filters, I use Outlook, the forwarding disabled has a dot
in it. There are no forwarding address anywhere, yet problem still
exists.As said earlier, I have blocked Google automated sender,
message going to deleted box where deleted once fills up. Also mad a
special rule eliminating those e-mails with certain words in them, t
simply try
and cut back on messages. Once again, none of this has interfeered
with receipt or sending of messages. Just get another automated one
saying undeliverable to ROkuban3@gmal, than the specifics and path or
whatever one calle it follows. Get meesages prior to automated
undeliverable response. In all my accounts Outlook and gmail-there is
no address that they say is deemed undeliverable. The prolem continues
and do not wish to discontinue use of gmail. I wish there was someone
at Google who I could tell to stop with undeliverable messages,
instead of taking up everyones time.
Ron

[Thompson1]

After all things tried form so many who wish to help, and all have
failed or I am just missing something, I have today received same
message, 14 times regarding permanently rokuban3@gmail, permanent
failure, same as all. They will of course have to be deleted as they
are daily. I am getting e-mails with no problems as usual from
senders. I was thinking, since the answer maybe in message itself from
Google, is there anyone I can forward it to so they can have a look.
It may be better to understand problem and resolve this issue, once
and for all. These failure notices are also showing up on Gmailpage as
well if that helps. Anything I can do help, I will. This is qiute
frustrating, as you well know.
Thank you.
Ron

On Feb 17, 8:18 am, Thompson1 <ronkub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to apologize to all those that I have pset somewhat with my lak
> ofproperprotocol in usinf ths site. One cannot learn anthin unless
> they make mistakes first.I have replied directly to people, a no-no, I
> have also done some things that are out of norm lke address certain
> people directly. Sure I will make a snafu along way so apologize in
> adavance.
> There are no filters, I use Outlook, the forwarding disabled has a dot
> in it. There are no forwarding address anywhere, yet problem still
> exists.As said earlier, I have blocked Google automated sender,
> message going to deleted box where deleted once fills up. Also mad a

> special rule eliminating those e-mails with certain words in thtried, the deleted box from today,2/19, contIall that I have em, t

> simply try
> and cut back on messages. Once again, none of this has interfeered
> with receipt or sending of messages. Just get another automated one
> saying undeliverable to ROkuban3@gmal, than the specifics and path or
> whatever one calle it follows. Get meesages prior to automated
> undeliverable response.  In all my accounts Outlook and gmail-there is
> no address that they say is deemed undeliverable. The prolem continues
> and do not wish to discontinue use of gmail. I wish there was someone
> at Google who I could tell to stop with undeliverable messages,
> instead of taking up everyones time.
> Ron
> On Feb 13, 12:16 pm, Andy <ai.eg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ron,
>
> > Please reply to the discussion list, not directly to individuals.
>
> > You wrote:
> > > Andy-Do use Outlook and disabled forwarding is selected. Hope helps.
> > > Did not go further because I use Outlok and for some reason I believe
> > > that other thigs you mention render sugestions irrelevant. Still
> > > seeking help'
>
> > Even if you are using Outlook, your mail still goes through Gmail's servers
> > before reaching you.  If forwarding is enabled at Gmail's end, then your
> > email will be forwarded before it ever reaches Outlook on your computer.
> > The settings on one, do not affect the other.
>
> > Log into your Gmail account and check those settings!
>

> > Andy- Hide quoted text -

[Gerard Marcelina]

I noticed that you used ronk...@gmail.com however you used rokuban and left out the n.
is that the problem?I hope this wasn't a stupid observation.I notice that sometime if you don't hold your mouth right these computers can be unforgiving
GDM

[Andy]

> I noticed that you used ronk...@gmail.com however you used rokuban and
> left out the n.
> is that the problem?

Yes, that was indeed part of the problem. If I remember right (it's been a
few days), he gets 'bounce' messages from the address without the 'n', for
every email he receives at his real address (with the 'n').

To Ron, like I say it's been a while, but you could try an experiment to
narrow it down.

If your emails are being forwarded to the other address, the two most likely
places where this is happening, are either in Gmail, or Outlook. If you
don't use Outlook for a day or so, but the bounce messages still happen from
emails received during that time (you'll need to login directly to Gmail
using your web browser), then look closer into the Gmail settings. If the
bounce messages don't happen during that time, but resume soon after you
fire up Outlook again, then Outlook is the place to look.

Aside from that ... there might be a way to trace the path the message takes
by examining all the headers in the 'bounce' message. But I'm no expert
there.

Andy

[Thompson1]

E-Mail is Ronkuban3 and I used Rokuban becase that is the address that
has the permanent failure as determined by Google automated message.
That is why I sugested if it is acceptable, I would be more than happy
to forward entire automated message to someone who might be able to
figue it out by looking at whole thing.
Ron Once again, the Rokuban3 was just for demonstration purposes, my
address being Ronkuban3@gmail
Thanks again

On Feb 19, 2:50 pm, Gerard Marcelina <lucman.marceli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I noticed that you used ronkub...@gmail.com however you used rokuban and

> left out the n.
> is that the problem?I hope this wasn't a stupid observation.I notice that
> sometime if you don't hold your mouth right these computers can be
> unforgiving
> GDM
>

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Thompson1]

Let us try and make this a little easier, since I am going nuts trying
to figure this out. Only and only with every e-mail received, not
sent, no problems on other end, ever, I receive the automated message
from Google saying that rokuban3@gmail-the N is missing after ro from
my real e-mail address. Than I receive the original message sent me ,
no problems, which means I am getting two e-mails with every e-mail
received, the automated one first, saying permanent failure, the
second beinbg the e-mail sent me, with no problems. It shows p on
Gmail and Outlook, makes no difference at all. I cannot folow a path
or look at headers on automated message, but it does say that e-mail
is from person who sent the one I get next, the one intended for me,
once again, with no problem. I believe it all started when I tried to
e-mail myself, and inadvertantly put down to:roku...@gmail.com.
Does that help anyone/
I appreciate all of your inputs, but problem still not resolved and
cannot get in touch with anyone at Google to help and God knows I have
tried.
Thanks again
Ron

On Feb 19, 5:56 pm, Andy <ai.eg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I noticed that you used ronkub...@gmail.com however you used rokuban and

[Thompson1]

2nd response to your original -I ust sent e-mail to myself again, why
not, to ronkuban3 ,not rokuban3, and lo and behold, got it at gmail
with typical undeliverable automated first, there is no
rokuban3@gmail, tha it was folowed with message I sent to me at
ronkuban3@gmail, no problems. But did not receive at Outlook. Neither
automated nor message sent to me. Gie you any or anyone ideas. Anyway
of getting diretly in touch with Google, we are all trying but it just
is not working. I a open to any and all sugestions from anyone and
thanks again.

Ron

On Feb 19, 5:56 pm, Andy <ai.eg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I noticed that you used ronkub...@gmail.com however you used rokuban and

[Zack (Doc)]

As was said before Ron, there must be a forwarding turned on in either
GMail or Outlook, more likely GMail. Either in a filter, or in the
main forwarding section. If you have checked both and have no
forwarding turned on in either place, then there is somehow a bug in
your GMail account which you have to report to Google. It's just that
simple.

--

Joseph Stalin - "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."

[Thompson1]

Thanks for response. Went back through filters and forwarding on my
gmail and there are no filters under filters and no forwarding or any
other e-mail address. I , too, have come to conclusion that the
problem is with Google, and I am greatful that someone has finally
agreed. If you will notice, I have asked evryone a way to get in touch
with Google, but they seen to go to grat lenghts to keep people from
doing that, relying solely on discussion grooups which I am sure work
most of time. This time there seem to be no anwers and after four
weeks of this, enough is enough. Do you know of a way to get into
touch with Google support??? I have not a clue and see absolutely no
links to any such sites.I am greatful.
Thompspon1-Ron

> Joseph Stalin  - "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."- Hide quoted text -

[Zack (Doc)]

The only way to report something to Google is through the Help Center,
which has been pointed out a couple times. This link is specifically
to the troubleshooter for problems with receiving mail (your problem
is related to you receiving mail, even though you are receiving it).
If you honestly follow the suggestions and honestly answer the
questions, either your problem will be resolved through the steps they
suggest, or you will wind up in a form to report the problem. History
tells us not to expect a human response to your report, but if the
problem is clearly on their servers, it will get resolved silently.
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?page=footer_ts&sub=receiving_msgs

--

Scott Adams - "Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he'll buy a funny...

[Andy]

No offense Ron, but I sometimes have a hard time figuring out what you are
trying to say. Aside from the frequent missing characters (either you are
using Vista which has that bug in Gmail, or you type fast and don't
proof-read) ... sometimes what you are writing is convoluted and I can't
completely follow it. Again, I don't mean to criticize. I'm just saying
that sometimes your full message doesn't get across. Or maybe I just
haven't had enough coffee yet. ;-)

You are using Outlook. I am assuming that you use Outlook to download your
messages from Gmail, using either the POP or IMAP protocol; is this right?

> But did not receive at Outlook. Neither
> automated nor message sent to me. Gie you any or anyone ideas.

I don't know why Outlook was not able to fetch them, unless you deleted them
first from the Gmail server before Outlook was able to get them.

You said that you can't look at the headers of the automated message. I
believe you can. When I last used Outlook there was a way to examine the
headers of any message received. And in Gmail itself, you can always look
at the full message, including headers, by using "Show Original."

To access "Show original": Click on a message so it is displayed. Next to
the "Reply" button in the upper right of that message, there is a small
triangle. Click on it, which brings up a drop-down menu. Click "Show
original."

As for contacting Google, click on Help and go through Troubleshooting.
With maybe hundreds of millions of us Gmail users, who pay nothing for
technical support, they don't give us a direct line to call a person
directly. Go through the troubleshooter and report the problem to Google.
That's how it's done.

You can get help from us too, but we can only do so much when we don't have
details. Give us more details and we may be able to figure out what's
wrong. (You could forward us one of those "Show Original" listings, for
example.)

Personally, I do not believe that this has anything to do with the time you
sent an email to yourself.

Regards,
Andy

[Thompson1]

Thank you again.
Ron

On Feb 24, 10:17 am, "Zack (Doc)" <z...@tnan.net> wrote:
> The only way to report something to Google is through the Help Center,
> which has been pointed out a couple times.  This link is specifically
> to the troubleshooter for problems with receiving mail (your problem
> is related to you receiving mail, even though you are receiving it).
> If you honestly follow the suggestions and honestly answer the
> questions, either your problem will be resolved through the steps they
> suggest, or you will wind up in a form to report the problem.  History
> tells us not to expect a human response to your report, but if the

> problem is clearly on their servers, it will get resolved silently.http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?page=footer_ts&sub=receiv...

> Teach a man to fish, and he'll buy a funny...- Hide quoted text -

[Sean Murphy]

    Let me explain. No, there is too much - let me sum up: He is saying that every time someone sends him an email at his address of "ronk...@gmail.com", he receives a message saying that the message was undeliverable to "roku...@gmail.com" along with the message itself. Which absolutely sounds like some kind of forwarding was somehow set up, but he says that he has looked through his filters and his settings, in both Outlook and in Gmail itself on the web, and he can not find anything forwarding mail. which leaves a Gmail bug, which needs to be reported to Gmail through the help page, after he has gone through any steps that the help files suggest just in case they have the solution there already.

-Sometimes the mind, for reasons we don't necessarily understand, just decides to go to the store for a quart of milk. - Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider

[Thompson1]

Thank you too for your efforts!
Thompson1

On Feb 24, 1:14 pm, Sean Murphy <smpara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     Let me explain. No, there is too much - let me sum up: He is saying that

> every time someone sends him an email at his address of "ronkub...@gmail.com",

> he receives a message saying that the message was undeliverable to "

> rokub...@gmail.com" along with the message itself. Which absolutely sounds

> like some kind of forwarding was somehow set up, but he says that he has
> looked through his filters and his settings, in both Outlook and in Gmail
> itself on the web, and he can not find anything forwarding mail. which
> leaves a Gmail bug, which needs to be reported to Gmail through the help
> page, after he has gone through any steps that the help files suggest just
> in case they have the solution there already.
>
> -Sometimes the mind, for reasons we don't necessarily understand, just
> decides to go to the store for a quart of milk. - Diane Frolov and Andrew
> Schneider
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:16, Andy <ai.eg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No offense Ron, but I sometimes have a hard time figuring out what you are
> > trying to say.  Aside from the frequent missing characters (either you are
> > using Vista which has that bug in Gmail, or you type fast and don't
> > proof-read) ... sometimes what you are writing is convoluted and I can't
> > completely follow it.  Again, I don't mean to criticize.  I'm just saying
> > that sometimes your full message doesn't get across.  Or maybe I just

> > haven't had enough coffee yet. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

[Thompson1]

Thanks again! I must assume you did not see header I attempted to copy
and paste in message in reply to you. The true novice in me, I guess.
The entire message I replied to you did not show. I put message on
Outlook Blocked sender list, plus created a rule basically not
allowing it to be received if From line contained certain words. I has
worked on Outlook but Gmail still showing error messages as before. I
could try and copy and paste again, it actualy showed up on this page,
the whole message from Google, but have not seen it.Maybe someone at
Google getting tired of hearing from me. But afraid it will now mess
up Outlook somehow. Opinion?
Ron

[Andy]

> Thanks again! I must assume you did not see header I attempted to copy
> and paste in message in reply to you.

Ron,

Sorry ... I did receive the header you pasted and sent to me (private email,
not to the whole [Gmail-Users] group). Wednesdays can be busy for me so I
looked at it quickly, but nothing obvious yet. It's a little hard to tell
which parts of the headers correspond to the administration (bounce) message
and which are from the message it couldn't deliver to the nonexistant
address. But it looked to me like there wasn't a lot to go on in the
headers. But I'm not an expert.

Will try to look a little more later.....

Andy