Why doesn't Gmail like Asia?
tigeride
Thursday this week (November 29) - gmail is down all day.
Now I can sort of understand Monday since there is a roughly 12 hour
difference between the States and Asia and they - Google - were
probably playing around with their servers and stuff from around 6pm
Sunday American East Coast time - meaning of course around 6am Monday
here is Asia - and they were playing until the morning so that
Americans could have their Gmail for Monday morning - meaning of
course that Asians had to resort to the dog's breakfast that is the
advert-addled yahoo mail...but Thursday is less easy to figure out.
Maybe it's just more of the "Hey! It isn't broken, let's fix it some
more!" mindset or a make-work project within the Google offices that
has caused so many other breakages, or maybe it was caused so they
could implement the "less-than-eagerly-awaited-and-is-it-ever-going-to-
be-used-anyway-and-just-how-lonely-are-those-who-would-use-it-anyway"
Group Chat "feature???" but if Google doesn't want to have Asians (or
durn-furriners living in Asia) using Gmail, they should just announce
it.
I can't think of anything Gmail needs other than an accessible email
client. If Yahoo can make an email - well, sort of an email - client
that has yet to break down on me, why can't Google? I use Gmail
because Yahoo is so filled with garbage flashing ads and is so very
(to me) user-unfriendly and non-intuitive and Gmail is cleaner, but
Gmail is constantly down and trying to access an email program that
one cannot access for hours - or days - each week is
frustrating...and, because a yahoo email address is a surefire way to
have your messages branded as spam and ignored and is only slightly
more respected than a Hotmail address, while Gmail still has some
level of acceptance as a web-based business email address that will
actually receive a reply.
however, I do advise all Gmail users that haven't already done so to
purchase an email address - or even use a freebie like Yahoo - and
backup any important emails and email addresses from their Gmail so
that they will have them available when Gmail dies, and set up an
automatic forwarding of all your important Gmail messages to that
other address.
Perhaps the best web-based email client - too bad about the
implementation of useless "features" that break it though. I would
simply hate to have to actually use my yahoo email for anything other
than an email address to use for registering on websites and such, and
actually have to use it for communicating with human beings.
Please Google! Stop the madness! Gmail worked in the past - let it
work again!
Bill Holmes
Maybe you should consider paying for an email service, there are lots
of good ones.
Runbox, Fastmail, Burntmail, VFEmail might be better for you than a
free email service.
Bill
On 11/29/07, tigeride <tige...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mondays for the last two weeks - gmail is down all day.
>
> Thursday this week (November 29) - gmail is down all day.
>
> Now I can sort of understand Monday since there is a roughly 12 hour
> difference between the States and Asia and they - Google - were
> probably playing around with their servers and stuff from around 6pm
> Sunday American East Coast time - meaning of course around 6am Monday
> here is Asia - and they were playing until the morning so that
> Americans could have their Gmail for Monday morning - meaning of
> course that Asians had to resort to the dog's breakfast that is the
> advert-addled yahoo mail...but Thursday is less easy to figure out.
>
> Maybe it's just more of the "Hey! It isn't broken, let's fix it some
> more!" mindset or a make-work project within the Google offices that
> has caused so many other breakages, or maybe it was caused so they
> could implement the "less-than-eagerly-awaited-and-is-it-ever-going-to-
> be-used-anyway-and-just-how-lonely-are-those-who-would-use-it-anyway"
> Group Chat "feature???" but if Google doesn't want to have Asians (or
> durn-furriners living in Asia) using Gmail, they should just announce
> it.
> --
Short & Sweet:
tigeride
of the best. I wont use it though to send any messages to addresses
such as Hotmail or AOL of course since within mere seconds of doing so
I'm getting so much spam it would over-run my allotted space - and
that's 50GB.
I use Gmail for the non-essential business for initial contacts and
keep the real business only for my secure access...but that's not what
you mean. You didn't catch the tongue-in-cheek that accompanied the
complaint about Gmail being down so much, did you?
Anything constructive to add? Any opinions on why Google is having so
many problems with Gmail every time they endeavor to add a new and un-
needed "feature?" Anything useful on why such a poorly designed piece
of in-your-face-advertising like Yahoo can work while a much higher
quality email like Gmail has so many problems?
Gmail was so much better when it was "By Invitation Only" - it didn't
seize up on me, slow down, or keep me out of my inbox for over a year.
Once it became available to all and sundry and their spawn, it just
turned into a dog's breakfast...still better than the other freebies
like Yahoo or Hotmail and still far more credible as a business email
address, but becoming more and more annoying when one can't access it.
Oh, and just a bye the bye, if Gmail wants to show it's pro-other
countries, here's an idea...do the server update thing starting at 6
am Monday morning Washington time and keep Gmail down until about 9pm
Monday in N. America. That way, we can access our email Monday and it
will only be down Monday night and those in N. America can without
Gmail all day Monday every week.
On Nov 30, 1:03 pm, "Bill Holmes" <whol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Google has a large presence in India I think. Google is not anti Asian.
>
> Maybe you should consider paying for an email service, there are lots
> of good ones.
>
> Runbox, Fastmail, Burntmail, VFEmail might be better for you than a
> free email service.
>
> Bill
>
Bill Holmes
>
> Oh, I do have a full pay email service with my company. In fact, one
> of the best. I wont use it though to send any messages to addresses
> such as Hotmail or AOL of course since within mere seconds of doing so
> I'm getting so much spam it would over-run my allotted space - and
> that's 50GB.
It is one of the best? Maybe not in spam filtering. :)
>
> I use Gmail for the non-essential business for initial contacts and
> keep the real business only for my secure access...but that's not what
> you mean. You didn't catch the tongue-in-cheek that accompanied the
> complaint about Gmail being down so much, did you?
No I am sorry I did not catch any tongue in cheek. I often take
people literally unless it is in a clearly humorous context. However
now that I know you are a comedian I will know how to treat your posts
in the future.
>
> Anything constructive to add? Any opinions on why Google is having so
> many problems with Gmail every time they endeavor to add a new and un-
> needed "feature?" Anything useful on why such a poorly designed piece
> of in-your-face-advertising like Yahoo can work while a much higher
> quality email like Gmail has so many problems?
Yes. I don't have any problems with several gmail accounts that I
have. I also have several Yahoo accounts, one of which has been
"temporarily unavailable" for several weeks now.
>
> Oh, and just a bye the bye, if Gmail wants to show it's pro-other
> countries, here's an idea...do the server update thing starting at 6
> am Monday morning Washington time and keep Gmail down until about 9pm
> Monday in N. America. That way, we can access our email Monday and it
> will only be down Monday night and those in N. America can without
> Gmail all day Monday every week.
You are simply assuming that Google does "server updates" at a
specific time. Maybe they do, but I am often on the net on Sunday
nights when you claim this effect and I don't see it.
I have seen them do system upgrades that slow things down especially
on GoogleGroups but these usually commence on Saturday mornings here
in the US.
Have a peaceful day,
Bill
James T
I've done some research on this and I could be wrong but I found that it's hotmail sparking spam messages.
Vijay Govind
technically is considered part of Asia and I _NEVER_ had any issues,
Neither with my GFYD address and my Gmail address.
I am also sure that Google has nothing against Asia as where ever I am
in Asia my Gmail ID(s) always worked.
Although, Most of the new features are rolled out in English US, I
don't think Google Love Americans more so that their Gmail Always
works and Our's seldom does. They can't afford to do that, as India
and China Put together, forms the largest possible customer base for
Google, and they can't afford to, pardon my language, screw us. Also,
I am sure whatever maintenance Google does, Is done such that the
users are not affected (At least to a great extent).
When I moved to my own domain, I never hesitated even once when I
signed up for the Free Google Apps programs, as even without the 99.9%
up time guarantee, I know that I can depend on Google. I started using
Gmail in 2004 and to this date I had problems only 3 times, which were
resolved very quickly (Within Couple of Hours For Sure).
If I purchase a service, I think I will be getting the Premium Google
Apps service...
Peace,
Vijay
--
Vijay Govind
http://menon.ikube.org
On 11/30/07, tigeride <tige...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
tigeride
Nothing is wrong with Gmail at any time anywhere.
It is never down and all those who say that it is down at times are
all wrong.
No sense whatsoever in commenting if there are problems so that the
problems being generated 'somewhere' can be fixed because it is all an
illusion and Gmail has no problems anywhere at anytime.
No slowdowns, no freezing, never out for hours on end...it's perfect
in all respects and at all times.
Good for Google, really! They have created a problem-free, perfect
program and with a peanut gallery that brooks no dissenting view or
complaint of problems.
Guess the new link available when I logged in to Gmail today that
allows a return to the "older" version was just put there for the heck
of it and not because the new version is having problems. After all,
as it has been clearly shown, there are no problems with Gmail at
anytime, anywhere and so the only reason one might wish to use the
"older" version must just be nostalgia.
Next time Gmail is down for hours I'll know what to do - blame the
weather or something because it certainly can't be a Gmail
problem...it's perfect in every way.
Zack (Doc)
Google and GMail are far from perfect, but get off your high horse and
look at the world in realistic colors and you'll have a better life.
You started this with a generalization that GMail doesn't like Asia.
There are users reporting that they too are in Asia and not having a
problem. This disproves your generalization. It does not say that
you aren't experiencing problems or that people do sometimes
experience problems, but that your generalization is false.
You made assumptions that maintenance is performed at a certain time
that is causing your problems, based on a US-centric view by Google.
Again, people have stated that your data is flawed and Asian and North
American users have used the system fine at the times you mention, and
had problems at other times. They've also conjectured that Google is
set up in such a way that such system maintenance would be generally
performed in such a way users would never notice. Being in IT myself,
I can tell you that this is common practice. Server FARMS are set up
so users have multiple options for servers while we work on one.
You've discounted the point that the problem could be much more local
to you. Many people, hundreds of thousands, have had problems with
GMail that could be cleared by changes on their computer. Local
Internet problems also consistently create problems for users. Even
Internet "wars" between Tier I providers can do it. I personally had
my GMail go from slow to unusable during a dispute between AT&T and
Level3. This was not Google's problem, but it DID affect my e-mail.
You're not willing to look into this, "It's all Google's fault"
There is an "Older Version" link because as Beta Testers, we can
EXPECT to encounter problems. We need a way off the Newer Version so
we can use the system when we've found (And Reported) a problem. We
also need a way to compare the two versions side-by-side so we can
make intelligent suggestions to Google.
Yes, Google can/does make mistakes. Yes, GMail can/does have errors
and bugs sometimes. That's why YOU signed up to be a BETA TESTER. So
YOU can help find these bugs and REPORT them to Google. But you have
to remember "Occam's Razor". If thousands to millions of users aren't
having a problem, and hundreds are; the problems must be closer to the
hundreds than it is to the server of millions. If could still be a
server-side problem that's only affecting your account and a few
others. This is information you need to include in your bug report so
Google will know which accounts to look at.
Vijay Govind
Version is kept in Place for people who are not yet comfortable with
the new version, you can just change the language to something else if
you don't like the new one. (I think Yahoo still maintains the older
version of it's GUI, if you haven't noticed it yet. I guess that
qualifies Yahoo to be "Perfect" too... This Link has been there for a
whole year now. Hotmail too have this option, if you have noticed,
well that's also "Perfect" right?)
You are right my man... weather is known to cause problems with Gmail
and whole lot of other mail solutions. I'm not kidding, If you have a
DSL connection, and if water gets into the repeaters, well... you have
a problem.
Listen, Lets Start this all over again. If there's some problem, It
would be highly advisable to post the exact nature of the problem you
have. Like the error codes or symptoms or whatever is the issue. We
are bunch of users like you (If you are still with Gmail) and people
here try to help people with issues in whatever way possible. Just
venting out your frustration here, would be, at best, a waste of time,
your's and everyone else's.
Oh, if you still think Google hates Asia, As far I know, Japan (Part
of Asia, when I last checked) was one of the first countries where
Gmail registrations was opened up (No Cell Phone, No Invites, No
Nothing). They must have really hated the Asians there... But they
love it there.
Cheers!
Vijay
--
Vijay Govind
http://menon.ikube.org
Also_Asian
I can see that you fell into the typical trap.
I have noticed that as soon as anybody dares say anything in this
group even remotely negative about Gmail that the trolls come out for
a personal attack. I didn't notice you returning any personal attacks
- at least not directed to any specific person - unlike the trolls
that attacked your posting so keep it that way and you "win" and the
trolls "lose" as always.
As for me, living in China, I often have to go through all of the
other problems with Gmail so many others suffer with. In fact, using
just the phrase "gmail problems" in the Group search shows over
250,000 hits. Everything from lost emails, problems with having to use
the html version instead of the so-called standard version, unable to
login, lots of problems. I also have been unable to access Gmail for
hours on end although I can still use the search engine so it isn't
anything to do with my connection to the internet. Although that will
probably give the trolls ammunition to trot out some useless
propaganda about Gmail being blocked or some such idiocy (which it
isn't).
I do use a real program to access the internet though and perhaps it
is because I use Firefox instead of internet excrement that is a
problem because I have read several people saying their problems seem
to be because they use a real internet program like Firefox or Opera
instead of ie. Do you use Firefox?
Ignore the trolls tigeride and their childish personal attacks since
they will always be there and are there in all web blogs and such.
Instead of using this useless group, perhaps just contact Gmail
support with your problems.
And I for one caught your sarcasm, but it was pretty easy to spot; and
I also see that you support Gmail but your compliments are lost on the
trolls. But you weren't playing nice when you wrote about the group
chat being only for lonely people - even if I do agree. That is
probably why the trolls attacked you. Living under bridges like trolls
do they are a pretty lonely bunch.
Gmail is great, problems and all, even if the problems do seem to be
becoming more common.
Vijay Govind
I have noticed that as soon as anybody dares say anything in this
group even remotely negative about Gmail that the trolls come out for
a personal attack. I didn't notice you returning any personal attacks
- at least not directed to any specific person - unlike the trolls
that attacked your posting so keep it that way and you "win" and the
trolls "lose" as always.
As for me, living in China, I often have to go through all of the
other problems with Gmail so many others suffer with. In fact, using
just the phrase "gmail problems" in the Group search shows over
250,000 hits. Everything from lost emails, problems with having to use
the html version instead of the so-called standard version, unable to
login, lots of problems. I also have been unable to access Gmail for
hours on end although I can still use the search engine so it isn't
anything to do with my connection to the internet. Although that will
probably give the trolls ammunition to trot out some useless
propaganda about Gmail being blocked or some such idiocy (which it
isn't).
Ignore the trolls tigeride and their childish personal attacks since
they will always be there and are there in all web blogs and such.
Instead of using this useless group, perhaps just contact Gmail
support with your problems.
And I for one caught your sarcasm, but it was pretty easy to spot; and
I also see that you support Gmail but your compliments are lost on the
trolls. But you weren't playing nice when you wrote about the group
chat being only for lonely people - even if I do agree. That is
probably why the trolls attacked you. Living under bridges like trolls
do they are a pretty lonely bunch.
I would (again) suggest to post the exact problem rather than vent it out here (error code etc etc), "Gmail Down" is just not a fair description of the issue.
Bend Zone
>
> I can see that you fell into the typical trap.
>
> I have noticed that as soon as anybody dares say anything in this
> group even remotely negative about Gmail that the trolls come out for
> a personal attack. I didn't notice you returning any personal attacks
> - at least not directed to any specific person - unlike the trolls
> that attacked your posting so keep it that way and you "win" and the
> trolls "lose" as always.
>
> As for me, living in China, I often have to go through all of the
> other problems with Gmail so many others suffer with.
Google has stood up against the Chinese government (and the US
government as well) in favor of users privacy, unlike Yahoo and
Microsoft who have surrendered users info without a struggle. Perhaps
it is the dictatorship in China that is upset with Google. Perhaps
the problems with GMail in China are caused by the government.
Perhaps some people posting with vitriolic anti google hyperbole are
agents of the dictators in Bejiing.
Free speech means you can express yourself, but it also means that
your ideas and comments are open to discussion and criticism.
TTYL
Fuzzy Logic
cannot say that I've seen any outage like what you are describing. It
is very likely one of two things: 1) network issues related to rotten
governments blocking access, the fact that you are 6000 miles away, or
simply overloading the network link, or 2) overloaded server. Bottom
line: report it. Your first message was full of accusations and not a
lot of real substance. Why do you think you got a reaction like you
did.
Yes, I like Google products. That doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to
defects in them. I report each and every one with as much detail as I
can find, and they get fixed. You should do the same.
The link to return to the old version is precisely because people
might have issues with the new version. It is, after all, currently
being tested.
Lose the attitude or go away.
Fuzzy
On Dec 1, 2007 12:52 AM, tigeride <tige...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing is wrong with Gmail at any time anywhere.
> Guess the new link available when I logged in to Gmail today that