Re: Who's watching this Forum???

[WILLIAM GREEN]

Thanks for that Goofy.

I may just go back to outlook 2013 then |As i know a read receipt is on there!

Many thanks for your help.

William Green 

On Friday, September 12, 2014 at 10:06:01 PM UTC+1, Goofy 235 wrote:

I've been looking into this Forum for about a year now.

Before that I have been in some other Google forums looking for solutions to problems - real or imaginary :-)

Once in a while a Google person would show up and give the 'definite' answer to the "question".

Has anyone ever seen anything similar in THIS Forum??? I have not!

Some requests have been asked by THOUSANDS of Gmail users, since 2008 - the year this forum was established - and they were never addressed by a Google-ite in this Forum.

Requests like:

1. Multiple Signatures and selection of one or none 

2. Delay Sending an e-mail - select day/time you wish 

3. Receipt for opened/read e-mails 

4. Sorting e-mails by column headings (like in Excel) 

So my question is: Is there any kind of monitoring by Google of the various request being asked here???

My answer is NO, nobody monitors this Forum from Google-land.

So, keep on asking your requests...But do not hold your breath, because nobody monitors this place...or gives a hoot!

[ew...@iscvt.org]

Maybe the Forum is for independent app developers to see if there are ideas they want to try, and then submit to Google?

Although it does seem impossible that not one idea has been picked up by said imagined developers...

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 11:36:58 PM UTC-5, Horace Schitt wrote:

I think they just put this here to allow users to vent. I'm with Goofy. I don't see any evidence that anyone at Google actually listens. They just do their own thing.

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 at 7:05:28 AM UTC-7, amacn wrote:

The Google Forum give users the opportunity to generate innovative ideas and suggestions.  Changes do not happen instantly, never give up.

[mg11...@mcsdonline.org]

Awesome

[terrorist96]

Or click the arrow next to how many posters are in a thread (only works for threads that you didn't start)

[than jeudi]

Sorry sir/madam, if i want to have this feature ( create document) how can i do?

[Goofy 235]

It looks like Google introduced a new "limiter" in THAT Forum, so it does not grow to more than 110,500 Active Entries...

It just eliminates the early ones.

At least we know that someone from Google-land looks into that mess :-)

[Meijer]

Just found this forum, (so maybe I'm totally off here...) but is it really Google that makes the Lab extensions?

Isn't it private programmers sending their Lab stuff to Google for approval? And in that case, it's those people we are begging to write a new "extension"? 

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

[Goofy 235]

Correction...I was wrong: It is now at 110,598

So no one from Google-land looks in this Forum :-(

[Goofy 235]

I have no idea, Meijer.

You might be right...but the net result is that nothing happens to help the peons, down in the bowels of our ship :-)

Since 2008! Or for SEVEN years now.

So either the programmers don't care to produce a solution, or Google does not approve their stuff (same thing).

No wonder we have 110,598 active topics...so far!

So, as I always say: Keep on asking/+1/begging/pleading/cajoling/threatening, you never know...BUT, don't hold your breath :-)

[Meijer]

I think Google has become an own entity, a new life form. (maybe to many sci-fi movies? ;) ) Impossible to communicate with, impossible to interact with. 

Sure, there are actual humans working there, but the entity is so big and complex that no one knows where the work orders are coming from! Not even the CEO, the founders, or anyone in the management actually know what Google are anymore!
What we DO know, is that it's completely impossible for a user to get in contact with a Google employee! The closest you get is all those different forums where users has to help each other - since Google are like a ghost... It's here, but you can't touch it!

You say "Keep on asking, begging...". I just wonder - ask or beg who? There's no use! I'm sorry Goofy 235, for my negative thoughts!  =(
But 110,598 active topics, that speaks for itself! "The Google", the information sucking, spider looking beast, the biggest entity in and on the web are not even slightly interested. 

(Says a daily user of Google products. Stuck in it's gooey, gluey cobweb...)

[Goofy 235]

Thank you for the very eloquent venting of your frustration, Meijer!

Join the club ;-)

As I said in my original post, I got involved in some forums...and they only got me more frustration than I could handle...sometimes!

Take a look at this one...with Sarah Dee leading the Google-ite forces:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/chrome/aHy3S9Y47Ac/xL7Nrjax8MYJ

[shanen]

Actually, a couple of my former coworkers are working at a local google office, and they are still decent human beings that usually respond to my email, but sometimes (too often?) with excuses for the google's actions or inactions... Actually a dinner discussion with one of them led me to my theory that the new google motto is "All your attention are belong to us, the google." He was not probably not amused, and I'm not sure if we've dined together since then...

From what I understand of the situation (and supported by a number of books beyond personal anecdotes), they are trying to run things in a rather loose way down there. Even large projects are broken into tiny pieces that are effectively owned by a small number of people. At this point, to me it seems quite possible that the problems with Gmail are because no one has a full grasp of it anymore. There may be no one who has an overall architectural view of the monster they've created, and therefore there is no one who is in a position to initiate many (or most?) changes, no matter how obvious and how often repeated, as noted by the OP.

Let me state (or disclaim?) that I just (virtually) met the OP for the first time a few days ago in a discussion that I started about the slightly touted unsubscribe feature. Basically I was repeating an ancient suggestion for an obvious improvement, and it has been obvious to me from the first time I noticed that feature some years ago. Based on his comments there, my initial reaction was that the OP was some kind of troll or defender of spammers, or at least an advocate of "Live and let spam." Considering this thread, I'm revising my evaluation to confused. If the OP were fishing on behalf of this thread, then I apparently overlooked the link, and since I stumbled here by accident, it suggests the OP is sincere and sincerely annoyed. Seems to be a common condition these years.

By the way, I would rate the unsubscribe option rather low on the overall list of obvious improvements for Gmail (where it actually fits in under #1 in the next list). In light of the premise of this topic, it seems like a silly waste of keystrokes, but I'll go down the list again:

1. Effective anti-spammer tools to kick the spammers in their most sensitive organs--their wallets.
2. Celebrity email, which is actually a kind of dual of the spam problem for people (such as celebrities) who can't realistically deal on an individual basis with all the people who want to communicate with them, but who [the fans] could be leveraged against each other. (This is actually and obviously linked to a partial 'solution' to some of the problems described in the OP, but apparently that means "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer".)
   
3. A privacy-protecting implementation of email with inverted storage and inverted advertising. (Much TOO innovative for the google.)
4. Generalized future delivery with various applications.
5. There is no number 5. Actually, I just can't recall it right now, and the OP is right. Not worth the effort. Ditto numbers 6 to infinity.
   

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 11:30:06 AM UTC+9, Meijer wrote:

I think Google has become an own entity, a new life form. (maybe to many sci-fi movies? ;) ) Impossible to communicate with, impossible to interact with. 

Sure, there are actual humans working there, but the entity is so big and complex that no one knows where the work orders are coming from! Not even the CEO, the founders, or anyone in the management actually know what Google are anymore!
What we DO know, is that it's completely impossible for a user to get in contact with a Google employee! The closest you get is all those different forums where users has to help each other - since Google are like a ghost... It's here, but you can't touch it!

You say "Keep on asking, begging...". I just wonder - ask or beg who? There's no use! I'm sorry Goofy 235, for my negative thoughts!  =(
But 110,598 active topics, that speaks for itself! "The Google", the information sucking, spider looking beast, the biggest entity in and on the web are not even slightly interested. 

(Says a daily user of Google products. Stuck in it's gooey, gluey cobweb...)

<OP snip>

[Meijer]

First of, Goofy 235, the thread starting with Sarah Dee. I'm amazed that a company (or organism) like "The Google" actually can make any money!

Some years back, working as an IT manager, I made a huge infrastructure change over night for almost 300 people in 4 countries. If I would compare what Sarah Dee did with what I did, it would be like I announce that the change has been made, (of course afterwords!), then change employer (and country) next second. And that seems to be the "The Google" way! It's absolutely horrific!! 

Next is the wonderful theory from "shanen": "All your attention are belong to us, The Google." - and with a twist: "and none to you, you poor (L)users" Okay, bad pun... sorry! ;) 

But it's so, so right! Once I had a web page with Google Ads. I made some buck until I got a mail from Google. Of course from a "no-reply" address! I had done something really awful, something against the contract! And because of that, the ads was removed immediately! And because of the integrity(!) of there customers, they could not tell me any more than that. I still don't know what I had done so wrong that my contract was ripped! Why? There was no one to ask! And believe me, i did tried to find someone!! Anyone! 

I will repeat one word they used: "integrity"! The Google used the word integrity! But of course, it was to the customers! To the wallets! Not to the users! We are just it's prey.

But here I am. With double standards. A hypocrite! Kicking it's but - and still using it's services. Still recommending others to use Google and Gmail!

Years back, I saw Microsoft as the big threat since everyone from innocent children to dictators where using Windows. Today, The Google is the biggest threat! First of all, no one can control it! Like "shanen" wrote: "There may be no one who has an overall architectural view of the monster they've created".

"Fear the monster, fear The Google!" - at your nearest movie theater next week! "It may already be in your home..." 

[shanen]

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 5:33:21 AM UTC+9, Meijer wrote:

<other post reply snipped>

 

Next is the wonderful theory from "shanen": "All your attention are belong to us, The Google." - and with a twist: "and none to you, you poor (L)users" Okay, bad pun... sorry! ;) 

But it's so, so right! Once I had a web page with Google Ads. I made some buck until I got a mail from Google. Of course from a "no-reply" address! I had done something really awful, something against the contract! And because of that, the ads was removed immediately! And because of the integrity(!) of there customers, they could not tell me any more than that. I still don't know what I had done so wrong that my contract was ripped! Why? There was no one to ask! And believe me, i did tried to find someone!! Anyone! 

I will repeat one word they used: "integrity"! The Google used the word integrity! But of course, it was to the customers! To the wallets! Not to the users! We are just it's prey.

But here I am. With double standards. A hypocrite! Kicking it's but - and still using it's services. Still recommending others to use Google and Gmail!

Years back, I saw Microsoft as the big threat since everyone from innocent children to dictators where using Windows. Today, The Google is the biggest threat! First of all, no one can control it! Like "shanen" wrote: "There may be no one who has an overall architectural view of the monster they've created".

"Fear the monster, fear The Google!" - at your nearest movie theater next week! "It may already be in your home..." 

 First, I think I object to the adjective "wonderful" in connection with any of my rambling rants. However, in connection with my proposed motto of "All your attention are belong to us, the google", I think I need to clarify that it is an extension of the entire push-driven model of advertising. The lusers' attention is precisely what the google is selling, but I increasingly regard push-driven advertising as an ekronomic crime. Time is the most valuable thing ANY of us have, and the ultimate extension of the google's approach is to saturate ALL of our time with ads. The essentially synonymous use of "attention" was actually from the other side...

Second, as regards your report of such penalties from the google for unknown ToS violations, I should note a similar experience with the google that lasted many years, probably at least 6 and perhaps more than 10--the details are apparently lost (by the google). During that period, I had no identity-associated access to these groups (which included some parts of the google's own help systems and Android support). Insofar as my current theory is that my crime may have involved something I wrote in the newsgroups, and since I still have no idea what my "crime" was, then maybe I'll do the same thing again and disappear again. (I could probably skirt the penalty with a fresh "identity", but I decline.)

Third, I think we are increasingly evolving towards a system of least-bad choice that is reducing our personal freedom. Not just in the products we buy and services we are essentially forced to use (which is how I mostly feel about the google these days), but even in such areas as politics. Insofar as I am sometimes allowed to vote these days, the positive reasons are pretty rare.

Fourth, I wish these discussions would help divide posts as the topics wander. This particular post should have been helped to semiautomatically fork three times already, and I just committed a fourth forking sin...

Fifth, or perhaps returning to the first branch, I think that corporate mottoes and objectives are important. My general feeling was that the google's main pair could be fixed, but at this point I doubt it.

Sixth, in a rather feeble attempt to return to the OP of long ago, I think it would be amusing to count the reps and report them, if only it could be done in a convenient way. The most obvious example would be when someone posts the delayed delivery feature. They could get a reply such as "Congratulations, you are the 7,213th person to suggest that feature." That would give them the message of how unlikely (or impossible?) the feature is.

[Adam Green]

What's the conclusion?  Doe Google monitor these feature request group forums?

AFAICT, no, the missing features from gmail alone (like a decent search tool ... for google ... search ... email ... doesn't seem like such a challenge, so clearly it's a business decision, not a technology or development issue) have remained conspicuously absent for literally years.

The features that arrive on Google appear to be designed to facilitate identity tracking (insisting upon linking to a phone number, etc.)

The solution is a third party email app and a private email service that protects identity and enables the user to decide when and how to share personal information with the InterWebz.

[Brian Trisler]

I'm not sure what the problem is with email search, it's always worked exactly as I've expected and as good as I could want.  Someone pointed out (I'm too lazy to find the reference) that read receipts will not be implemented for privacy concerns.  I'm not sure I've ever needed to sort my mail by anything other than date, since if I'm looking for something from a sender, or with a subject etc, i just use the search feature and type the name.

Other than that, as far as I can tell the other 2 requests are still open. 

[shanen]

Actually, I think SMTP basically precludes delivery receipts, and apparently SMTP shall live forever. Another mal-feature of SMTP is the inability to do accounting in any meaningful way, which creates the spammers' delusion that the marginal cost of spam approaches zero.

One of the spam solutions I finally abandoned was a non-SMTP email system. The essential idea would be to make SMTP email into an option, with the incoming gateway normally disabled except for white-listed senders. On the new non-SMTP side, the accountability would basically be handled in terms of time, so any email address that sent too much email without receiving incoming email would become logarithmically too slow to use. Unfortunately, the spammers have already bypassed the approach, so perhaps it was implemented within the scope of SMTP? The vast majority of the spam seems to be coming from bogus throwaway addresses and the suckers are routed to dropboxes or websites for their actual harvesting.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Brian Trisler <btrisler@<redacted>> wrote:

I'm not sure what the problem is with email search, it's always worked exactly as I've expected and as good as I could want.  Someone pointed out (I'm too lazy to find the reference) that read receipts will not be implemented for privacy concerns.  I'm not sure I've ever needed to sort my mail by anything other than date, since if I'm looking for something from a sender, or with a subject etc, i just use the search feature and type the name.

<snip>

[ewe...@gmail.com]

The need for the search by sender is to group emails in a visual manner without having to remember the name of someone who may have sent you an email.

[GCB1966]

[Dave Marcus]

Since I work for a company that does text analytics, I would guess that Google uses an automated tool to detect the frequently-used words, phrases, and words found near each other.  Google, if nothing else, knows how to parse pages.  Just my two cents.

[Martin Bannister]

Read receipts are a feature of Google Apps for business (or is it for Work now). So it's sort of a 'premium' feature and might never appear in free GMail.

[Goofy 235]

Reading my own stuff...

On Sep. 16 we had 104,586 topics in this forum

On Oct. 20 (today) we have 105,276 topics in this forum...

Or we picked up 690 TOPICS in 34 days or about 20.3 a day!

In a year, 20.3 x 365 = 7,410 topics...we're doing well!

And they keep on coming!

[awesome ideas]

there is a Google in Colorado as well

[Appellee]

There are 3rd party add-ons that do all of these things.

[晴依安]

半年多來被當成神經病  沒有人相信我是如何被監控  終於找到答案  謝謝你

Goofy 235於 2014年9月13日星期六UTC+8上午5時06分01秒寫道：

[amacn]

The Google Forum give users the opportunity to generate innovative ideas and suggestions.  Changes do not happen instantly, never give up.

[p47rick]

Appellee - where are the third party add-ons that do these things?

[stu...@gmail.com]

I think they just put this here to allow users to vent. I'm with Goofy. I don't see any evidence that anyone at Google actually listens. They just do their own thing.

[Anna Dąbrowska]

W dniu piątek, 12 Września 2014 23:06:01 UTC + 2 Użytkownik Goofy 235 napisał:

Szukałem na tym forum przez około rok.

Wcześniej byłem w kilku innych forach Google szuka rozwiązań problemów - prawdziwe lub wyimaginowane:-)

Raz na jakiś czas człowiek Google pokaże się i dać "z pewnością" odpowiedź na "pytanie".

Czy ktoś kiedyś widział czegoś podobnego na tym forum ???  nie mam!

Niektóre wnioski zostały poproszone przez  TYSIĘCY użytkowników Gmaila, od 2008 roku - rok ten dział powstała - i nigdy nie zostały skierowane przez Google-ite w tym forum.

Wnioski podoba:

1. Wiele Podpisy i wybór jednego lub brak 

2. Opóźnienie Wysyłanie wiadomości e-mail - wybierz dzień / czas chcesz 

3. Potwierdzenie otwartych / czytać wiadomości e-mail 

4. Sortowanie wiadomości e-mail od nagłówków kolumn (jak w programie Excel) 

Więc moje pytanie brzmi: Czy jest jakiś rodzaj monitorowania przez Google w różnych życzenie zadawane są tutaj ???

Moja odpowiedź brzmi nie, nikt nie monitoruje to forum z Google-land.

Tak, ciągle pytając swoje wnioski ... Ale nie wstrzymaj oddech, bo nikt nie monitoruje tego miejsca ... albo daje prześmieszny!

[Brian Trisler]

Sadly, that's how I got here.  Looking for add ons to do what I wanted. 

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 at 7:33:01 PM UTC, Goofy 235 wrote:

Simple advice: When everything fails, use Google Search (!) to find the add-ons...

BTW, 694 visitors so far to this posting...

I hope I made my contribution/advice: Nothing beats a thinking mind!!

[Goofy 235]

We're up to 1087 views to date, Brian...

(OK, most of them sent there by me :-)

Still Google Search is the best option...Google got to big for its britches!

[Ernesto Padilla]

Thanks for the info Goofy, I was actually going to spend time doing a suggestion to google, but this thread save me from having the illussion that someone would hear.

[Brian Trisler]

I wouldn't take his word for it.

[Borgny Stølen]

I would like to get a note when the receiver of the mail, sent from me, has been seen or/and read by the receiver! That´s possible in Outlook, why not in gmail?

[Goofy 235]

@Borgny:

I think you are posting in the wrong forum :-)

The short answer is: Because Google does not want to...for whatever reason!

The best way to register your disapproval is to walk back to Outlook!

And if another 10 million Gmail users decide to do the same...they (Google-ites) MIGHT listen!

[Brian Trisler]

Yes, "his" referred to you, but I suppose it's nearly equally as likely "her" should have been used.  

If you only need 1 example, then your own post on 10/11/14 seems to indicate that there was an answer on read receipts.  Read receipts are more practical for corporate email, they available in Google apps for business (which I did not verify myself, but I'll take Martin's word for it), and considered an invasion of privacy for personal email.  As such there is no intention of implementing this feature.

I prefer to encourage people to make their requests when they have them, rather than to shoot them down from the get go.  The assertion that no one from Google has ever read this thread seems really far fetched to me ;)

Finally, I sincerely doubt this is an official forum, and that the moderators, admins, or creator was or is affiliated with google.  That said it would surprise me that Google would, and I don't believe they should, "clean it up" nor moderate it in any fashion.  That is what admins and moderators are for.

On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 8:34:26 PM UTC, Goofy 235 wrote:

I imagine "his" refers to me, Brian?

If yes, please give me ONE request that was asked in here that has been implemented in the Gmail program...JUST ONE!

Also, how come we ave 107,265 ACTIVE topics in here - as of today?

If Google did care about this forum, wouldn't you think they would "clean it up" once in a while?

Or even group the same topics together?

Or even come back and say: We're working on it? 

Or Shut up, we don't want to implement this?

ONCE? Since 2008?

Of course I always tell my "friends": 

So, keep on asking, you never know...BUT, don't hold your breath :-)

[Goofy 235]

As I said earlier Brian:

[Goofy 235]

Thank Anna...I think you just translated my statement to Polish :-)

[Obger Mercier]

innovation market

[Obger Mercier]

On Friday, September 12, 2014 at 5:06:01 PM UTC-4, Goofy 235 wrote:

[Eloy Serra]

Even then, someone should at least answer a simple maybe, never, or working on it.

E.

[Rodney Mahan]

Everyone must be too busy smoking weed to do work. LOL

FYI I am a Stoner so dont get offended

[BatManPete]

They're busy riding the GOOGLE bicycles..... 

On Friday, September 12, 2014 at 2:06:01 PM UTC-7, Goofy 235 wrote:

[王庭茂]

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在 2014年9月13日星期六 UTC+8上午5:06:01，Goofy 235写道：

[Pax Terra]

What these posts are is ideas for third party companies to create an add-on or competitive product and then copy right it and make money.  Good luck to you!

pax

[Goofy 235]

I understand that pax!

But in the last 7 years, very few (if any) of those very popular and often asked Labs has been created by any third party or Google :-(

Like the ones I listed...I wonder why.

Plus, we have now 108,064 active topics in this forum...and that should tell you something.

BTW, YOU were the (music please) 1,500th visitor and of course you win...nothing, but our admiration :-)

Thank you for your comments!

[Angelia Phillips]

On Friday, September 12, 2014 at 4:06:01 PM UTC-5, Goofy 235 wrote:

I've been looking into this Forum for about a year now.

Before that I have been in some other Google forums looking for solutions to problems - real or imaginary :-)

Once in a while a Google person would show up and give the 'definite' answer to the "question".

Has anyone ever seen anything similar in THIS Forum??? I have not!

Some requests have been asked by THOUSANDS of Gmail users, since 2008 - the year this forum was established - and they were never addressed by a Google-ite in this Forum.

Requests like:

1. Multiple Signatures and selection of one or none 

2. Delay Sending an e-mail - select day/time you wish 

3. Receipt for opened/read e-mails 

4. Sorting e-mails by column headings (like in Excel) 

So my question is: Is there any kind of monitoring by Google of the various request being asked here???

My answer is NO, nobody monitors this Forum from Google-land.

So, keep on asking your requests...But do not hold your breath, because nobody monitors this place...or gives a hoot!

 Hi Goofy and thanks so much for the added info. 

[Carol Molloy]

Apellee,
Then it would be generous for someone who knows about such an  app to spend 30 secs to respond to a post or two with what they know! (Rather than with a smug brag about all the secrets you know).

[Carol Molloy]

Goofy 235,
  Is this the best thing you can find to do with your smarts?

[Goofy 235]

But...Carol: People with 'smarts' use Google Search to find such apps out there!

[syry o]

For the delay sending email:

https://code.google.com/p/gmail-delay-send/

[matthew sider]

Because forum?? Not good butter toll free number where you get live help butter looking at screen this resion way only my opinion
Plsese realize that is hard to get quality help by operator
Google can afford it

[John S Wolter]

Matthew appeats to have been using Google's translate.  Translate has forms with threads like this discussion thread.

[Chris]

I use Boomerang for scheduled and repeated sending of emails. 

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 at 12:03:17 PM UTC-6, p47rick wrote:

Appellee - where are the third party add-ons that do these things?

On Friday, October 24, 2014 2:19:07 PM UTC+1, Appellee wrote:

There are 3rd party add-ons that do all of these things.

[terrorist96]

Lmao if there were anything to epitomize Google's 'customer service' on its free products, it'd be this forum.

[terrorist96]

I wonder what'd happen if we reported this group. Would anyone see the report? Maybe that's the only way to get someone from Google to even load this forum lol

[Goofy 235]

Report WHERE???

[terrorist96]

Lol go to the group page, click about on the top right, report. (use desktop version)

[marina pedersen]

Todo eso ya existe, alguien lee.

[marina pedersen]

2 y 4.  También pense en eso.

Quisiera ver un enlace de facebook y google para famosos. 

4.PROGRAMAR correos como se pueden programar los posteos de facebook en la fanpage. ARREGLARIAN MI VIDA. podría enviar email en la fecha exacta, incluyendo felicitaciones de cumpleaños o para acontecimientos especiales. - empezando por los clientes - para hacerlo perfecto me puede preguntar: Hoy esta programado un email para COCA COLA o el Gerente de Facebook - deseas enviarlo? - sé que no reemplaza la llamada telefónica, pero es un detalle.

Si existen, son de carne y hueso y se sabe quien da las ordenes, pero con millones de habitantes en el mundo no darian abasto y es una forma de proteger a sus propios empelados, no tendrían vida privada si todo el mundo pudiera contactar a todo el mundo, porque google no es solo un buscador, al igual que facebook ellos entran a la vida privada de las personas ,de las empresas y las naciones, pero en una forma positiva, es tal el impacto, comparado al surgimiento del teléfono, al comienzo solo dabas tu nro. a tus amigos hasta que un día ya fue posible que fuera público para luego hacerlo privado de nuevo... 

Sus ingenieros deben estar protegidos para trabajar no podrían de otra forma.

PERO YO SI PODRÍA ser visible de google!! :)  ------------------- aunque todavía no me hacen caso... insisto.-...--- diría esto:

Nunca podrás saber todo de google porque seria como conocer el oceano o el espacio, pero sabes que el mundo no seria lo mismo sin ellos, asi que lo que yo hago es contarle a la gente las maravillas que hay en el océano - google. - y sugerir donde hacer preguntas cuando necesitan ayuda. 

atte.

alguien que agradece que exista internet

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El jueves, 20 de agosto de 2015, 1:44:20 (UTC-4), shanen escribió:

Actually, a couple of my former coworkers are working at a local google office, and they are still decent human beings that usually respond to my email, but sometimes (too often?) with excuses for the google's actions or inactions... Actually a dinner discussion with one of them led me to my theory that the new google motto is "All your attention are belong to us, the google." He was not probably not amused, and I'm not sure if we've dined together since then...

From what I understand of the situation (and supported by a number of books beyond personal anecdotes), they are trying to run things in a rather loose way down there. Even large projects are broken into tiny pieces that are effectively owned by a small number of people. At this point, to me it seems quite possible that the problems with Gmail are because no one has a full grasp of it anymore. There may be no one who has an overall architectural view of the monster they've created, and therefore there is no one who is in a position to initiate many (or most?) changes, no matter how obvious and how often repeated, as noted by the OP.

Let me state (or disclaim?) that I just (virtually) met the OP for the first time a few days ago in a discussion that I started about the slightly touted unsubscribe feature. Basically I was repeating an ancient suggestion for an obvious improvement, and it has been obvious to me from the first time I noticed that feature some years ago. Based on his comments there, my initial reaction was that the OP was some kind of troll or defender of spammers, or at least an advocate of "Live and let spam." Considering this thread, I'm revising my evaluation to confused. If the OP were fishing on behalf of this thread, then I apparently overlooked the link, and since I stumbled here by accident, it suggests the OP is sincere and sincerely annoyed. Seems to be a common condition these years.

By the way, I would rate the unsubscribe option rather low on the overall list of obvious improvements for Gmail (where it actually fits in under #1 in the next list). In light of the premise of this topic, it seems like a silly waste of keystrokes, but I'll go down the list again:

1. Effective anti-spammer tools to kick the spammers in their most sensitive organs--their wallets.
2. Celebrity email, which is actually a kind of dual of the spam problem for people (such as celebrities) who can't realistically deal on an individual basis with all the people who want to communicate with them, but who [the fans] could be leveraged against each other. (This is actually and obviously linked to a partial 'solution' to some of the problems described in the OP, but apparently that means "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer".)
   
3. A privacy-protecting implementation of email with inverted storage and inverted advertising. (Much TOO innovative for the google.)
4. Generalized future delivery with various applications.
5. There is no number 5. Actually, I just can't recall it right now, and the OP is right. Not worth the effort. Ditto numbers 6 to infinity.
   

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 11:30:06 AM UTC+9, Meijer wrote:

I think Google has become an own entity, a new life form. (maybe to many sci-fi movies? ;) ) Impossible to communicate with, impossible to interact with. 

Sure, there are actual humans working there, but the entity is so big and complex that no one knows where the work orders are coming from! Not even the CEO, the founders, or anyone in the management actually know what Google are anymore!
What we DO know, is that it's completely impossible for a user to get in contact with a Google employee! The closest you get is all those different forums where users has to help each other - since Google are like a ghost... It's here, but you can't touch it!

You say "Keep on asking, begging...". I just wonder - ask or beg who? There's no use! I'm sorry Goofy 235, for my negative thoughts!  =(
But 110,598 active topics, that speaks for itself! "The Google", the information sucking, spider looking beast, the biggest entity in and on the web are not even slightly interested. 

(Says a daily user of Google products. Stuck in it's gooey, gluey cobweb...)

<OP snip>

[Tom Donlan]

Here's a general answer: "Because I like it that way." OR "Because I don't like the search tool."

BTW: When will it become possible to delete messages with the $%^&* "delete key? If never, why? How many people have asked for this?

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 5:54:39 PM UTC-4, Brian Trisler wrote:

I'm not sure what the problem is with email search, it's always worked exactly as I've expected and as good as I could want.  Someone pointed out (I'm too lazy to find the reference) that read receipts will not be implemented for privacy concerns.  I'm not sure I've ever needed to sort my mail by anything other than date, since if I'm looking for something from a sender, or with a subject etc, i just use the search feature and type the name.

Other than that, as far as I can tell the other 2 requests are still open. 

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 7:36:53 PM UTC+1, Adam Green wrote:

What's the conclusion?  Doe Google monitor these feature request group forums?

AFAICT, no, the missing features from gmail alone (like a decent search tool ... for google ... search ... email ... doesn't seem like such a challenge, so clearly it's a business decision, not a technology or development issue) have remained conspicuously absent for literally years.

The features that arrive on Google appear to be designed to facilitate identity tracking (insisting upon linking to a phone number, etc.)

The solution is a third party email app and a private email service that protects identity and enables the user to decide when and how to share personal information with the InterWebz.

On Friday, September 12, 2014 at 2:06:01 PM UTC-7, Goofy 235 wrote:

[Goofy 235]

Tom, 

What WE want and what Google is willing (for its own reasons) to give us are two entirely different things!

They did not become a very successful company because they are dumb!

I remember buying their IPO at $85! Their stock sells at $654.24 today... Not counting the splits! 

I love Google!

The stock has risen 1,29 4% since it went public on Aug. 19, 2004, meaning a $10,000 investment in Google at its $85 IPO price would be worth $139,458.82 

On top of everything Google DOES NOT monitor this forum...and that's the crux of my original message.

If you don't like it...what the heck, it is a FREE product/service, so you can vote with your feet!

Go to another FREE email provider...and be happy there.

I'm not telling you what to do - just 'informing' you of your options - in case you forgot them!

[shanen]

You [Goofy 235] seem pretty confused about the various senses of "free". You also sound like a shill or google employee trying to play another head game. My first degree actually included philosophy, and some of my ongoing philosophic interests have involved the meanings of such big concepts as "freedom" and "evil". After many years of consideration, my current thoughts on freedom can be tersely represented using this equation:

Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice ≠ (Speech | Beer^2)

Perhaps beer should be cubed (or higher)? Haven't come up with a good equation for "evil", but I'm leaning towards some joke based on the famous ruling about porn: "I know it when I see it" and each time I look more deeply into the google I see more of it... The notion of "good" is probably even more difficult to deal with, but I am sure it is not equal to money or profits.

However, mostly I regard it as pointless to try to discuss it in a venue controlled by the google--but the google has increasingly control over the visibility of EVERY venue. Power tends to be abused, and I would suggest that the google's dangerous and threatening powers are growing even faster than their stock prices.

Do we have any meaningful choice? No. The google controls the meaning.

(Also, if someone offered a 'better' choice, the google would copy it or buy them out. That's today's American way.)

[Kim Riggs]

conversation messages reverse sorted.

That is, that the top message would be the latest message and chronologically sorted in the conversation view by the next latest and so forth until the oldest message eat the bottom. 

[Goofy 235]

Kim Riggs: You are posting in the wrong forum, my friend!

[shanen]

My suggestion is that you not pay a lot of attention to the defeatist-in-chief, even in his capacity as OP. Such people not only fail to accomplish anything with their lives, they are just all-around downers.

Of course, I can't say that I've accomplished much either, but at least I try to stay entertained. Today's example of a rant at the google:

Do you understand why this spam is an attack on the google? Obviously not, or you would stop supporting them, eh? You can't even recognize this crap for your so-called filtering of spam? What buffoons work at the google.

Let me try to explain it to you, though I think you are too stupid and incompetent to understand what is going on. Seems extremely safe to conclude the spamming scammers aren't as lazy and stupid as you are, eh? They have some reason for creating fake accounts in other people's names. There are about four likely scams, and you actually have sufficient data on your side to correlate and figure out what is going on. Oh wait, you don't care, do you. WTF is the google paying you for? I really wonder. Anyway, I conclude that the most likely one at this point is explicitly to pollute YOUR data. That's right, the spammers are phucking the google directly by creating networks of false IDs linked to the actual Gmail IDs--and you are just too phucking stupid to notice until some enormous scandal blows up your bubble. I hope the google goes bankrupt during the implosion. It would be amusing to watch, and some actual good might come of your collapse.

That was actually wasted keystrokes from their spam-reporting webform, but it's mostly related to an old topic I started here, in the Groups that the google killed. (And you thought usenet was as immortal as COBOL, didn't you?) There's a whole passel of such fake accounts, though the most annoying involve Amazon. There's a backdoor in the email validation system from Android, so the network-relationship scammers are creating unknown numbers of fake accounts linked to actual Gmail accounts. And here's the kicker: Though Amazon knows about the back door and the fake linkage, they won't let you delete the fake account in your name because you cannot possible figure out the fake account's billing address. On one hand, they [Amazon] know you have the Gmail address, but on the other hand they won't send you the fake information so you can deal with it. Can you spell "identity theft"? The google can't, but the unfolding of the scandal is going to be amusing to watch.

[Goofy 235]

I missed the one-year anniversary of this sub-group...was never intended as such :-)

Started on 9/12/14 by me

We had 66 posts by 37 authors

And we had 3,331 views as of today. 

BTW, the Original Forum has 111,535 ACTIVE topics - it had 104,586 topics a year earlier!

Almost an additional 7,000 in one year!

So, keep on asking your requests...But do not hold your breath, because nobody monitors this place!

I love statistics :-)

[Steven C. Collins]

I too would like to see #'s 2 & 3 especially made available:

2. Delay Sending an e-mail - select day/time you wish 

3. Receipt for opened/read e-mails 

You wouldn't think that this would take much coding to make happen since it is pretty common place elsewhere .. .. One might say .. why don't you go to the elsewhere place then!! .. .. Unfortunately Google has too many other +'s to make this practical .. ..

Just saying .. ..

On Friday, September 12, 2014 at 5:06:01 PM UTC-4, Goofy 235 wrote:

I've been looking into this Forum for about a year now.

Before that I have been in some other Google forums looking for solutions to problems - real or imaginary :-)

Once in a while a Google person would show up and give the 'definite' answer to the "question".

Has anyone ever seen anything similar in THIS Forum??? I have not!

Some requests have been asked by THOUSANDS of Gmail users, since 2008 - the year this forum was established - and they were never addressed by a Google-ite in this Forum.

Requests like:

1. Multiple Signatures and selection of one or none 

2. Delay Sending an e-mail - select day/time you wish 

3. Receipt for opened/read e-mails 

4. Sorting e-mails by column headings (like in Excel) 

So my question is: Is there any kind of monitoring by Google of the various request being asked here???

My answer is NO, nobody monitors this Forum from Google-land.

So, keep on asking your requests...But do not hold your breath, because nobody monitors this place...or gives a hoot!

[marina pedersen]

Hola

Este pedido ya esta listo: 
1. Múltiples Firmas y selección de uno o ninguno , lo uso desde hace tiempo.

Lo que sigue faltando es que puedas programar los correos, escribo muchos de noche y ahora seria genial programarlos para el día siguiente. En Francia ya hay una ley que prohíbe a los empleadores enviar correo después de las 17.- aunque lo leí solo como noticia... es posible que sea así.- pero además solucionaría las diferencias horarias cuando trabajas con gente de otro continente, mientras es mi hora de dormir en España están trabajando y viceversa, preferiría le lleguen mis correos en un buen horario. Parece una tontería.. pero es importante!!

Faltan correos para menores de edad... parece loco, pero los niños utilizan internet, que tal crear cuentas.. que de alguna forma se detectase que son menores y la configuración mundial estuviera lista para protegerlos? se pudiera hacer eso? es atentar contra la libertad? es complicado? no sé... pero pienso que cada vez más.. se deben buscar formas de cuidarlos online. 

Otra cosa que me gustaría es poder transportar todos mi correos como archivo por remetiente al driver. Y luego comprimirlos si quiero, y descargarlos si quiero. POR QUE me satura ver mi buzón, parece que nunca terminaran los correos.... y soy muy desordenada con el buzón, por eso me gusta google, ordena mi vida, y yo no tengo ningún problema con que lo haga. 

Leerán? supongo que si.

Contestaran? supongo que no.

TOMARAN en cuenta las sugerencias? supongo que si.

Pero dudo que se identifiquen nunca.. jamas vivirían tranquilos, si todo el mundo supiese quien trabaja en google, especialmente programadores. :) al menos en mi país, se los trata como estrellas de rock! LA GENTE va a escucharlos, asi sea para que digan... cosas simpáticas o cuenten como consiguieron empleos, no sé en otros continentes, aquí es todo un fenómeno.

[Goofy 235]

I mentioned to another "genius": This is the wrong place to ask your silly question, Abhijith Thulaseedharan!

You are as messed up as your name/railroad!

I hate people who CANNOT read!

[Kiddie Academy of Phoenixville]

Thank you for the suggestion. I will work on that.

[lkf]

Goofy, thank you so much for letting me know this in response to my recent post! I deffinitely thought  it was a forum monitored by google. Thank you. 

On Monday, October 20, 2014 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-7, Goofy 235 wrote:

Reading my own stuff...

On Sep. 16 we had 104,586 topics in this forum

On Oct. 20 (today) we have 105,276 topics in this forum...

Or we picked up 690 TOPICS in 34 days or about 20.3 a day!

In a year, 20.3 x 365 = 7,410 topics...we're doing well!

And they keep on coming!

[A.J. Cooke]

I love the fact that this post has been up and continually discussed for OVER A YEAR without a single Google employee making a comment absolutely proves the point.

It's implausible that they have anyone monitoring this forum.

[Goofy 235]

And that's why this posting was started 14 mos ago, A.J. Cooke!

I wanted to see if someone from Goofle-land might bother telling me to shut up :-)

So far nothing...but I'm still hoping for a miracle :-)

[Goofy 235]

BTW, 3,688 viewers came in to see what this is all about, but not a single Google-ite :-)

[Meijer]

I wonder how it is in the other 111 000 (plus) topics...

How many replies totally from Google compared to all comments in all topics?

(If someone love statistics... ;) )

But I've seen that some messages has been erased. Why - and by who?? 

Those who wrote them? Or - are Google actually monitoring the topics for inappropriate comments? 

If so, my guess is that some software are searching for unsuitable words and when found, it deletes the whole comment.

I think that this is really interesting! Who or what are deleting comments?

I still think that Google has a life of it's own! It has become so big, and filled with so many big and so many tiny pieces of codes, it's almost like a world-wide entity, an AI. 

(but missing parts of the "I")

What will happen if Google one day shuts down all servers, world-wide? If everything related to Google suddenly stops? Just for a day or two?

Or if they do it for a reason, like blackmail, demanding another president in the US? Or a billion trillion dollar? (Like if "Dr. Evil" runs Google? ;) )

(time to go to bed! :) )

[Goofy 235]

We have 112,080 topics as of this moment :-)

I do not think ONE of those was ever answered by a google-ite!

The scenario you present can be a scary thought...BUT Yahoo can do the same thing!

Google is a VERY succesful company, because...whatever. 

And that has nothing to do with what the free-riding "clients" want or don't want...

(copy/paste from an old posting):

They did not become a very successful company because they are dumb!

I remember buying their IPO at $85! Their stock sells at $753.01 today... Not counting the splits!

Those who bought in have been rewarded handsomely. On a split-adjusted basis, Google’s  GOOG -0.57%  stock price is up more than 1,500% from its offering price. It has done so well, that only 10 other current members of the stock index have done better.

AUGUST 19, 2015, 9:59 AM EST

(my Yahoo IPO experience in 1996 was not bad either :-)

I love Google - but I hate this useless Forum...

[Meijer]

I actually agree, I love many parts of Google and using it every day! 

And I didn't mean they are stupid, but they're more like a machine then a regular company with living people.

To actually get answers from them, have any form of contact with a real person, that seems just impossible!

And that makes me really pissed off!

[Coolaf]

My guess, they probably do check the forum, but only if a topic get's re-posted a certain amount of times. Since people keep suggesting the same topics, but never re-posting a topic that had the same request as they did, "Google-ites" are not notified to check this forum. Terribly illogical system, but hey, it's google, what do you expect?

[Goofy 235]

For Meijer: There are OTHER forums (Google Chrome Help Forum) that get someone from Google to monitor/cordinate the discussion ideas and THEY come up with the solution. How to find those forums? Google them :-)

That's what I mean in the first paragraph of my original posting...

For Coolaf: I do not think that anyone is monitoring this forum...it's like a venting site. It has nothing to do with the "popularity" of a subject.

People propose something in here, use whatever heading they feel like, most of them heve NO IDEA how to put their request in words...No one can monitor a forum like that...e.g.: I post something with the "subject" Delay Send, the next guy posts the same thing with "Send Later" and the other guy says "Allow me to set the time in the future that my email will be send out"...It gets kind of hard.

That's why we have 112,000+ of active postings :-)

Or do you think that anyone of the 112,000+ ever used that big box (for PC's only) that says "Search for topics"???

[Gmail User]

Happy belated anniversary Goofy!

If anyone uses Google at work, try pushing for the feature through there. Your IT help desk who handles the Google integration should have a higher priority communication channel.

The important thing is we found each other so we can support one another through the suffering. Maybe that is the point of the forums. Kind of like googling "Loud Bird 1AM." You meet a whole different type of crowd and you feel better about the situation. Like, yeah, other people ARE thinking about chopping down trees or worse at 1AM. Let's cherish it.

[Goofy 235]

Thank you Gmail User! Even if belated :-)

I've given the "IT help desk" suggestion many times...maybe it helped.

What is amazing is the number of clueless people who look for some answer, while unable to simply state their problem...or what they are looking for.

When I say clueless I mean totally clueless...not just on things "computerese":-)

Anyway, it is fun...

[tinelou van der Elsken]

Boomerang?

Op vrijdag 12 september 2014 23:06:01 UTC+2 schreef Goofy 235:

[Paloma]

+1

[Goofy 235]

It looks like we just went over 4,000 visitors in this "sub-forum"!!!

Plus, 84 posts by 45 authors AND 4001 views

Maybe some of us learned a few things, by visiting this Forum and my sub-forum :-)

I know most of you got here because I sent you here...but still a round number like 4,000, is a cause for celebration :-)

I'll have a glass of my favorite Cabernet Sauvignon for MY celebration...maybe two!

May I also take this opportunity, to wish all of a very Merry Christmas!

[Larckov]

I had no idea it was like this. I was very naive thinking Google care about people in this forum, if not, I think no one would post anything.

Any way, most probably I will have a glass like yours. Just to celebrate with you, your work here. Impressive. 

Haven't you get a Google invitation to work with them? You should...

Nice holidays!

[Meijer]

Congrats, Goofy 235, and Merry Christmas to ya all! :) 

[Goofy 235]

Thank you both for your comments and wishes...

Larckov: No, I never thought of working for Google...or anyone else :-)

I can say that because of Google's IPO (Yahoo's, too :-)

Meijer: I went to school with a gentleman of the same last name: 100% Dutch, born in Aruba, came to the States via Puerto Rico. Fluent in english, dutch, spanish and even papiamento :-) Still one of my friends!

[Meijer]

I can see that a new celebration is on it's way, Goofy! 

With this post it's 99 posts in your thread. One more, then time for the bubbly drink again! :)

So put the bottle in the cooler and just wait for it... ;)

(Do you know what name Disney's "Goofy" has in Sweden? 

It's "Långben". Or actually "Jan Långben". A direct translation would be "Jan Longleg". ;) )

(It's a part of the chapter "Totally unneeded knowledge"!)