4 points

[jsd...@gmail.com]

1. Can you use a vcard to import into contact details, and if not, why
not?
2. Why isn't the subject bar of an email in closer proximity to the
current message if you are 2/3 replies on from the original and want to
change it? Couldn't it be made to duplicate for each thread?
3. Why isn't the size of each message displayed? This may be
irrelevant considering the capacity of the service but should you need
to delete messages to free up space and wish to do so purely on the
basis of size would you need to enter each message to view the size of
each attachment?
4. Why can't you scroll instead of being given a link for 'older'?

[Lisa]

All good questions! Why don't you send them to the gmail team so they
know what is on your mind?

Lisa

[Tim Housey]

i have to agree, these questions are good and should me forwarded to
the gmail developers.

[jsd...@gmail.com]

I tried to send an email to the person who invited me onto Gmail
Generation yesterday but it bounced back, any thoughts?
jon

[Luis Amador]

who was that person?

[jsd...@gmail.com]

I think she was called rachel

[Luis Amador]

Thats strange, Rachel is a mod in this group her email is a very active account

[Luis Amador]

Thats strange, Rachel is a mod in this group her email is a very active account


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:12:34 -0000, jsd...@gmail.com <jsd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[Lisa]

It's amazing that you were able to get something that said it was
bounced back to you! I've never had gmail do that to me before - if an
email never arrives at it's destination, I've not received any
notification by gmail, other than it was "sent". Maybe they've fixed
that!

Lisa

[Julie Fisher]

I am new to Gmail, but that sounds worrying. Is Lisa correct, do
emails that fail to arrive, simply disappear. If so, then that is one
good reason not to switch from Yahoo, at least from there, I do get
"mail-failure" responses, when something goes wrong.

[Luis Amador]

Remember that Gmail still is in a beta stage, some of the features we
now have, weren't here since the beginning

[Justin Hartman]

Hi Luis. Not sure how to intepret what you're saying... Are you saying
that it does give a failure notice or not? Just for the record I got
two mail returned messages a few days ago to an email account that
bounced so it would appear from my experience that this is implemented
in the latest developments.

Regards
Justin

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[Luis Amador]

Actually I never had problems with failures notice, because I haven't
send mail to account that is full or nonexistent

I will try to recreate the problem, others are welcome to try and post
their results

[Lisa]

I don't know whether it'll give you a failure notice or not. I do
remember a couple of weeks ago I got a mailer daemon return mail thing
in my account, but it was from someone who'd spoofed my email address.

There've been instances where I've sent emails to friends not only with
MSN, but Homail, Yahoo, and to Mail2world that never arrived, and I
never got a notice.

I'm not horribly concerned about it at this point, however, because I
have an understanding of what BETA testing is, and I'm sure it'll all
be worked out when the product is finally launched in it's full glory.

:-)

Lisa

[jsd...@gmail.com]

So, does anybody know an address for the development team?

[Lisa]

>From your gmail page, click on "help". You should get a new window

opening up, and on the left hand side, you can click on "contact us",
then click on "get help with a technical issue". Under choose a topic,

click on "view all", and at the bottom of the list you'll get you will
see "my issue is not listed here". That'll take you to a screen where
you can report your gmail issues.

Lisa

[Luis Amador]

Well I send a email to a erroneous address on purpose and received an
immediate reply:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

luam...@gail.com

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 10): 550 5.1.1 <luam...@gail.com>
User unknown; rejecting

----- Original message -----

Received: by 10.54.32.23 with SMTP id f23mr75480wrf;
Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:53:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.54.24.18 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:53:05 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <fff256cf05022...@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:53:05 -0400
From: Luis Amador <loui...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Luis Amador <loui...@gmail.com>
To: luam...@gail.com
Subject: Test
Mime-Version: 1.0

[Justin Hartman]

I Get the same:

his is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

thisi...@metrosmetiwywttaajsjjs.com

Technical details of permanent failure:

PERM_FAILURE: DNS Error: Domain name not found

[Lisa]

Awesome! Looks like they fixed that issue then! Woo-hoo!!

Lisa

[Rguy84]

But if you forget abc...@hotmail.com is bad and you send a message
again 2 weeks later you wont get that cannot send e-mail.

[Rachel Garrett]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:12:34 -0000, jsd...@gmail.com <jsd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> I think she was called rachel

It most likely was me. I wonder why my e-mail would bounce? Would you
mind resending it? Same address as the one I'm using at this very
moment.

--Rachel

[Luis Amador]

That what make it strange, I know your address wont bounce

[Rachel Garrett]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:49:33 -0800, Lisa <William...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

It could also be the case that it did arrive at its destination, but
got eaten by an overly aggressive spam filter or something.

--Rachel

[Luis Amador]

Could be but it has to pass over the spam label for you to miss it.

[Rguy84]

My bad I tried this a bit after I posted, and got a cannot send e-mail
back like 10 minutes later.

[jsd...@gmail.com]

Thanks

[Kass Lloyd (raeky)]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:43:38 -0000, jsd...@gmail.com <jsd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1. Can you use a vcard to import into contact details, and if not, why
> not?

Gmail is a beta service, but where do you get vcards? I rarely
encounter these and why would I need to import them? You can import
contacts...

http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=8301

> 2. Why isn't the subject bar of an email in closer proximity to the
> current message if you are 2/3 replies on from the original and want to
> change it? Couldn't it be made to duplicate for each thread?

The subject of each e-mail is viewable under "More options" and the
subject for the thread is also the subject of your browser window...

> 3. Why isn't the size of each message displayed? This may be
> irrelevant considering the capacity of the service but should you need
> to delete messages to free up space and wish to do so purely on the
> basis of size would you need to enter each message to view the size of
> each attachment?

Gmail wants to change the norms of traditional e-mail standards. One
way is to try to get the users to forget about space. People who have
used free email providers in the past have had it so ingrained about
conserving space that it becomes second nature to delete large
messages. With 1gb of space (and I don't doubt that could expand
later) the need to delete files isn't very relevant.

I have a fairly high e-mail usage, or so I think, almost 4000 threads
and over 100 megs of space used. You can search for all e-mails with
attachments "has:attachment" and those are going to be the e-mails
with the largest space. It is also possible we'll be allowed to delete
attachments from e-mails later, it is a proposed feature.

> 4. Why can't you scroll instead of being given a link for 'older'?

You mean how it collapses the already read threads? You can scroll
through all of the just click "Expand all" and scroll all you want. Or
expand the messages you want individually. I'm not quite sure what you
mean here.

[Kass Lloyd (raeky)]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:07:08 -0000, jsd...@gmail.com <jsd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

The official e-mail for the moderators is found in the group's FAQ:

http://gmail-generation.url123.com/faq-group-faq

Did you send it to the correct address for Rachel?

[Kass Lloyd (raeky)]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:58:10 +0100, Julie Fisher <julie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> I am new to Gmail, but that sounds worrying. Is Lisa correct, do
> emails that fail to arrive, simply disappear. If so, then that is one
> good reason not to switch from Yahoo, at least from there, I do get
> "mail-failure" responses, when something goes wrong.

Keep in mind here that Gmail is still in beta testing. Therefore there
will be bugs and features not fully implemented yet. You're beta
testing this e-mail service, so you shouldn't expect it to be a final
product like yahoo's mail.

Yahoo didn't build their e-mail service from scratch like google is
doing, so give google time. I fully expect them to provide an e-mail
service that is every bit as functional as yahoo or hotmail. :D

[Julie Fisher]

I understand that this is a beta. But having said that, it has been a
beta for quite a long time now, and certain features, like a
"mail-failure" response, should have been basics.

I am reassured though, by the number of people who said, yes they do
get "mail-failure" responses if they send to a 'bad' address.

I will happily give Gmail time, and from what I have seen, it will be
well worthwhile!