Re: Should prostitution be legalized in India? An Open House Discussion

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Jul 12, 2010, 7:32:02 AM7/12/10
to Global Concern, Justin
I strongly believe, that question like to legalize prostitution, is like to question if we should legalize any kind of violence, oppression, exploitation and all kinds of sins. We have so many strange laws in this world, because we forgot about the original laws of our Creator which are invisible written in our conscience. What is sin? Simply said in one sentence, sin is all kinds of violation against the original laws of the universe, causing always destruction and suffering. Such matters cannot be solved with humans votes. Even if the majority of humanity votes for sinful laws, it doesn`t make it right. If we understand that the love between a man and a woman is desired by God as a holy union for eternity and that our love organs are in God´s eyes supposed to be holy, we can never compromise in this matter and violate God´s universal laws.

Sincerely
Franz

---- Justin <lite...@gmail.com> schrieb:
> I think this is a matter that should be subject to popular vote on a
> local level... judged on a town by town basis. That way, those who
> favor one side of the issue over another, will retain the option to
> move to a town or province that has voted along such lines, not unlike
> how firearm regulation is undertaken in the United States. We can
> then proceed experimentally, bearing witness to the results of these
> choices in how they impact upon each community respectively. But what
> I would propose for consideration is not the establishment of
> prostitution as a legal right, but as a privilege. If it should come
> to be deemed a professional service for which one must qualify to be
> able to provide, it would be subject to rigorous training and
> regulation accordingly. Even so, as a matter of practicality, this
> would then render illegal prostitution on par with giving legal advice
> or practicing medicine without proper licensing.
>
> But such implementations cannot be affected unless and until the
> majority of people reach a maturity that enables them to address sex
> maturely as a dignified means of self-perpetuation and self-
> maintenance... not just as an embarrassing form of self-gratification
> for so-called adults that is yet sanctioned by no more than childish
> notions of power and romance. It is truly unfortunate that we even
> need to try to govern behavior on a subject that is so personal... so
> subject to diverse cultural and racial tendencies... a subject that is
> far more rightly determined in the home. How odd that we should find
> ourselves telling each other when to have sex, with whom and why, but,
> partially evolved as we are, it seems that such externally enforced
> moral fortitude is every bit as necessary as it ever was. And this,
> only that we may make a halfhearted attempt at treating the symptom
> and not the real illness in society: the sexual maladjustment that
> usually originates in the home during childhood and is only further
> exacerbated by unspiritual social conditions which will tend toward
> one species of immorality or another, quite regardless of what is or
> is not allowed by the laws of man.
>
> Love,
>
> j.
>
> P.S. Religious sex rituals and temple harlotry is, in my personal
> assessment, another subject. The basic standard for sex practices in
> moral societies usually include the requirement of voluntarism and an
> age/state of mind that is unquestionably sufficient for reasoning and
> making such decisions on the part of both parties. Wherever and
> whenever any one of these basic standards are not met in sex-related
> activities, a crime is being committed... If not in the eyes of
> unthinking men, then surely in the eyes of all-knowing God.
>
> On Jul 10, 10:29 pm, Global Cocnern <supp...@glcoin.org> wrote:
> > KAMATHIPURA, KNOWN as Falkland Road of Mumbai is Asia’s largest sex
> > industry centre where over 150,000 women are into prostitution. It is
> > believed to have been started by the British army with the abduction
> > of women from Germany at the time of the East India Company rule. Sex
> > workers in Mumbai face what sex workers around the world face -- many
> > of them are sold into prostitution as young girls. There is long list
> > of reasons behind the women getting into prostitution, which mainly
> > includes ill treatment at home, bad company, lured by middle workers,
> > prior incest and rape, desertion, trafficking, economic distress and
> > poverty. Of this poverty is oft repeated cause. I was in a red light
> > area of Mumbai for some assignment and looking at the condition there
> > I wondered-- Do they work here by choice?
> >
> > A story appeared in Hindustan Times some months back where a girl from
> > Kolkata was ill treated at home and ran away. She got a work at
> > construction site. One of the co-workers told her that if she wants to
> > continue to work here she must sleep with the manager. The girl was
> > still in her teenage and didn’t understood what her friend meant. But
> > she went ahead and slept. For months she did the same to continue the
> > job and earn money. She then came to Mumbai and is here for the last
> > few years in the brothel. Prostitution is the world’s oldest
> > profession. But India being a conservative society has always
> > pretended that there is no prostitution here (not generalising but
> > many say so).
> >
> > India is home to over six million prostitutes, of which over 25 per
> > cent are minors. In India organised prostitution is illegal. In India
> > the problem of HIV/AIDS is menacing and many non governmental
> > organisations (NGOs) and few government organisations are trying their
> > best to curb the spread of the virus. Prostitution has emerged as the
> > dangerous conduit for HIV virus. High HIV infection rates continue to
> > be detected in India. The government estimates that eight per cent of
> > sex workers nationally are infected with HIV, which is almost nine
> > times higher than the overall HIV prevalence rate for Indian adults.
> > What is more, studies of sex workers in individual areas have found
> > much higher HIV prevalence rates, such as 44 per cent in Mumbai, and
> > 26 per cent in Mysore.
> >
> > We have no legal monitoring system and thus we cannot pass any laws
> > saying sex workers should get themselves medically checked at regular
> > intervals unlike in few other countries where prostitution has been
> > legalised. The 40 lakh sex workers represent a threat that cannot even
> > be imagined because the danger is multiplied due to the mass ignorance
> > about the disease in both the trade and clientele. It is time sex
> > workers were viewed as partners in the fight against AIDS. If we trap
> > ourselves in outdated thinking, society will be the loser. So what is
> > the answer?
> >
> > A hard and traumatic face of women involved in this trade is that they
> > are exploited, harassed and treated like dirt. Nobody is bothered
> > about the agony, horror and the torture, to which a sex worker is
> > exposed to. They have no dignity in the society and even the
> > government holds a medieval view on this issue. We are totally inhuman
> > in our attitude towards the girls, most of whom are forced into the
> > profession. The girls are trafficked from Bangladesh and Nepal. A sex
> > worker can not be on the street. If she does so, she is booked by the
> > police, harassed and even raped. In short life becomes hell. A sex
> > worker told, "We are not entitled to ration cards and precluded from
> > the democratic process of the country because we are not issued voter
> > identity cards. We are workers like others and toil for living. Why
> > this hypocrisy then?"
> >
> > The planning commission sometime back recommended legalisation of
> > prostitution. There are some merits and demerits of legalising
> > prostitution. But then merits outnumber the demerits as I observed.
> > Stopping prostitution is impossible, while opening it up to regulation
> > improves the matters, even if it is morally unacceptable to many. Once
> > legalised, women in sex trade will not be harassed by the police, they
> > will work in certain zones and will be issued licences; their names
> > will be in the government records, they will have to undergo regular
> > health check ups and pay taxes. One thing is to be noted that in the
> > current scenario the police always books a sex worker but just
> > refrains from taking action against the agents, the pimps, the
> > managers. Pimping should be declared illegal in fact. Though there can
> > be rise in trafficking and bureaucracy but that can be regularised if
> > we show that ’will’. It is up to the law makers to tackle this issue.
> >
> > A society has a responsibility to give options to these people. We
> > need to empower them. Leaving it as it exists is neither here nor
> > there-- as sitting on the fence isn’t the best approach. But the big
> > question is whether we are ready for such a giant leap? Has our
> > society attained the level of thinking, which will enable forward a
> > movement on such issue. Perhaps, you need to give an answer.
> >
> > On Jul 10, 6:27 pm, Global Cocnern <supp...@glcoin.org> wrote:> A prostitute is a person, "who allows her body to be used for lewd
> > > purposes in return for payment". Prostitution is the sale of sexual
> > > services, such as oral sex or sexual intercourse, for money.
> > > Prostitution the word itself speaks about the plight of a women .It is
> > > not a problem which exists in India but exists throughout the world.
> > > Prostitution was a part of daily life in ancient Greece .In the more
> > > important cities, and particularly the many ports, it employed a
> > > significant proportion of the population and represented one of the
> > > top levels of economic activity. In the ancient city of Heliopolis in
> > > Syria, there was a law that stated that every maiden should prostitute
> > > herself to strangers at the temple of Astarte.
> >
> > > In Armenia the noblest families dedicated their daughters to the
> > > service of the goddess Anaitis in her temple at Acilisena.In ancient
> > > India prostitutes have been referred as to devdasis. Originally,
> > > devadasi were celibate dancing girls used in temple ceremonies and
> > > they entertained members of the ruling class. But sometime around the
> > > 6th Century, the practice of "dedicating" girls to Hindu gods became
> > > prevalent in a practice that developed into ritualized prostitution.
> > > Devadasi literally means God’s (Dev) female servant (Dasi), where
> > > according to the ancient Indian practice, young pre-pubertal girls are
> > > ‘married off’, ‘given away’ in matrimony to God or Local religious
> > > deity of the temple. The marriage usually occurs before the girl
> > > reaches puberty and requires the girl to become a prostitute for upper-
> > > caste community members. Such girls are known as jogini. They are
> > > forbidden to enter into a real marriage. The system of devadasi
> > > started only after the fall of Buddhism and records about them start
> > > appearing around 1000 A.D. [Bharatiya Sanskruti Kosh, IV, 448]. It is
> > > viewed that the Devadasi`s are the Buddhist nuns who were degraded to
> > > the level of prostitutes after their temples were taken over by
> > > Brahmins during the times of their resurgence after the fall of
> > > Buddhism. According to the 1934 Devadasi Security Act, this practice
> > > is banned in India.
> >
> > > This ban was reinforced again in 1980s but the law is broken every
> > > day. Poverty and ‘Untouchablity’ contribute to the persistence of this
> > > terrible practice. Reference to dancing girls in temples is found in
> > > Kalidasa's "Meghadhoot". The popularity of devadasis seems to have
> > > reached its pinnacle around 10th and 11th century CE. The rise and
> > > fall in the status of devadasis can be seen to be running parallel to
> > > the rise and fall of Hindu temples. The devdasi system was mostly
> > > prevalent in southern India and it reached its height during the Chola
> > > Empire. Though government has taken adequate steps in order to combat
> > > with the problem of devdasi, even the devdasi prohibition act was not
> > > fully successful in solving the problem in India. Most important
> > > reason still being poverty, ignorance and hunger which are forcing
> > > them to this kind of exploitation. Now this was the old story or the
> > > beginning of prostitution apart from these there is also references of
> > > prostitution in Kama sutra written by Vatsyayana sometime between the
> > > second and fourth centuries A.C.E.
> >
> > > India is home today to Asia's largest red-light district--Mumbai's
> > > infamous Kamathipura, which originated as a massive brothel for
> > > British occupiers and shifted to a local clientele following Indian
> > > independence. The Mughal Empire (1526 -1857) also witnessed
> > > prostitution the word “tawaif” and mujra became common during this
> > > era. During the Mughal era in the subcontinent (1526 to 1857)
> > > prostitution had a strong nexus with performing arts. Mughals
> > > patronized prostitution which raised the status of dancers and singers
> > > to higher levels of prostitution. King Jahangir’s harem had 6,000
> > > mistresses which denoted authority, wealth and power. Even during the
> > > British era prostitution flourished the famous kamathipura a red light
> > > area in Bombay was built during this era for the refreshment of
> > > British troops and which was later taken over by Indian sex workers.
> >
> > > The prostitution continued from ancient and medieval india and has
> > > taken a more gigantic outlook in modern india, the devdasi system
> > > still continues ,according to a report of National Human Rights
> > > Commission of the Government of India,” after initiation as devadasis,
> > > women migrate either to nearby towns or other far-off cities to
> > > practise prostitution”. The practice of dedicating devadasis was
> > > declared illegal by the Government of Karnataka in 1982 and the
> > > Government of Andhra Pradesh in 1988. However the practice is still
> > > prevalent in around 10 districts of north Karnataka and 14 districts
> > > in Andhra Pradesh. Districts bordering Maharashtra and Karnataka,
> > > known as the "devadasi belt," have trafficking structures operating at
> > > various levels. The women here are in prostitution either because
> > > their husbands deserted them, or they are trafficked through coercion
> > > and deception. Many are devadasi dedicated into prostitution for the
> > > goddess Yellamma.
> >
> > > Causes of prostitution:
> > > · Ill treatment by parents.
> > > · Bad company.
> > > · Family prostitutes.
> > > · Social customs.
> > > · inability to arrange marriage,
> > > · Lack of sex education, media.
> > > · Prior incest and rape.
> > > · Early marriage and desertion.
> > > · Lack of recreational facilities, ignorance, and acceptance of
> > > prostitution.
> > > · Economic causes include poverty and economic distress.
> > > · Psychological causes include desire for physical pleasure, greed,
> > > and dejection.
> >
> > > Notorious red light districts of India include GB Road in Delhi,
> > > Sonagachi in Kolkata, Kamathipura in Mumbai, Budhwar Peth in Pune and
> > > Reshampura in Gwalior. There are around 2.8 million prostitutes in the
> > > country and their number is increasing, as informed by Lok Sabha. Most
> > > of the girls are brought from Nepal and Bangladesh. ''Young girls are
> > > trafficked from Nepal to brothels in Mumbai and Kolkata at an average
> > > age of twelve. They are trapped into the vicious cycle of
> > > prostitution, debt and slavery. By the time they are in their mid-
> > > twenties, they are at the dead end. In modern India different kinds of
> > > prostitution is prevailing apart from prostitutes in brothel there
> > > are:
> > > · Street prostitutes
> > > · Bar dancers
> > > · Call girls
> > > · Religious prostitutes
> > > · Escort girls
> > > · Road side brothel
> > > · Child prostitutes
> > > · Fricatrice prostitutes
> > > · Gimmick prostitutes
> > > · Beat prostitutes
> > > Every hour, four women and girls in India enter prostitution, three of
> > > them against their will.
> >
> > > Prostitution is a problem in itself and child prostitution is making
> > > it more complex. Quoting a study on 'Girls/Women in prostitution in
> > > India', Minister for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury said
> > > that out of the total number of prostitutes in the country, 35.47 per
> > > cent entered the trade before the age of 18 years. Though in cases
> > > like Gaurav jain vs. Union of India [1]direction where given for the
> > > upliftment of prostitutes and establishment of the juvenile home for
> > > the children’s of prostitutes.
> >
> > > Laws related to prostitution in India:
> > > Suppression of Immoral Traffic in Women and Girl Act -1956
> > > Prevention of Immoral Traffic Act-1956
> > > Immoral Traffic (Prevention) Act-1956
> >
> > > The Immoral Trafficking Prevention Act, 1956 ("ITPA"), the main
> > > statute dealing with sex work in India, does not criminalise
> > > prostitution or prostitutes per se, but mostly punishes acts by third
> > > parties facilitating prostitution like brothel keeping, living off
> > > earnings and procuring, even where sex work is not coerced.
> >
> > > Section3. Punishment for keeping a brothel or allowing premises to be
> > > used as a brothel.
> > > (1) Any person who keeps or manages, or acts or assists in the keeping
> > > or management of, a brothel, shall be punishable on first conviction
> > > with rigorous imprisonment for a term of not less than one year and
> > > not more than three years and also with fine which may extend to two
> > > thousand rupees and in the event of a second or subsequent to
> > > conviction with rigorous imprisonment for a term of not less than two
> > > years and not more than five years and also with fine which may extend
> > > to two thousand rupees.
> >
> > > (2) A any person who, -
> >
> > > (a) Being the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of any
> > > premises, uses, or knowingly allows any other person to use, such
> > > premises or any part thereof as a brothel, or
> >
> > > (b) Being the owner, lessor or landlord of any premises or the agent
> > > of such owner, lessor or landlord, lets the same or any part thereof
> > > with the knowledge that the same or any part thereof is intended to be
> > > used as a brothel, or is willfully a party to the use of such premises
> > > or any part thereof as a brothel, shall be punishable on first
> > > conviction with imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years
> > > and with fine which fine which may extend to two thousand rupees and
> > > in the event of a second or subsequent conviction, with rigorous
> > > imprisonment for a term which may extend to five years and also with
> > > fine.
> >
> > > (2-A) For the purposes of sub-section (2), it shall be presumed, until
> > > the contrary is proved, that any person referred to in clause (a) or
> > > clause (b) of that subsection, is knowingly allowing the premises or
> > > any part thereof to be used as a brothel or, as the case may be, has
> > > knowledge that the premises or any part thereof are being used as a
> > > brothel, if, -
> >
> > > (a) A report is published in a newspaper having circulation in the
> > > area in which such person resides to the effect that the premises or
> > > any part thereof have been found to be used for prostitution as a
> > > result of a search made under this Act; or
> >
> > > (b) A copy of the list of all things found during the search referred
> > > to in clause (a) is given to such person.
> >
> > > Section5. Procuring, inducing or taking person for the sake of
> > > prostitution.
> >
> > > (1) Any person who-
> >
> > > (a) Procures or attempts to procure a person whether with or without
> > > his/her consent, for the purpose of prostitution; or
> >
> > > (b) Induces a person to go from any place, with the intent that he/she
> > > may for the purpose of prostitution become the inmate of, or frequent,
> > > a brothel; or
> >
> > > (c) Takes or attempts to take a person or causes a person to be taken,
> > > from one place to another with a view to his/her carrying on, or being
> > > brought up to carry on prostitution; or
> >
> > > (d) Causes or induces a person to carry on prostitution; shall be
> > > punishable on conviction with rigorous imprisonment for a term of not
> > > less than three years and not more than seven years and also with fine
> > > which may extend to two thousand rupees, and if any offence under this
> > > sub-section is committed against the will of any person, the
> > > punishment of imprisonment for a term of seven years shall extend to
> > > imprisonment for a term of fourteen years:
> >
> > > Provided that if the person in respect of whom an offence committed
> > > under this sub-section, -
> > > (i) Is a child, the punishment provided under this sub-section shall
> > > extend to rigorous imprisonment for a term of not less than seven
> > > years but may extend to life; and
> > > (ii) Is a minor; the punishment provided under this sub-section shall
> > > extend to rigorous imprisonment for a term of not less than seven
> > > years and not more than fourteen years.
> >
> > > So it can be seen that both the sections namely section 3 and section
> > > 5 punishes only the acts of the 3rd party and same does the other
> > > sections in the Act and so new legislation shall be passed as to
> > > punish the client who are visiting the prostitutes.
> >
> > > The prostitution leads to many health problems for the prostitutes
> > > like:
> > > · Cervical cancer
> > > · Traumatic brain injury
> > > · HIV
> > > · STD
> > > · Psychological disorders
> >
> > > In a country like India where most of the people indulge themselves in
> > > unprotected sex with prostitutes it is very difficult to eradicate the
> > > problem of aids. Historically, the AIDS epidemic in India was first
> > > identified amongst sex workers and their clients, before other
> > > sections of society became affected. The sex workers are themselves
> > > taking steps to combat with aids in some brothels in India for example
> > > sonagachi a brothel in Kolkata; where the sex workers are insisting
> > > their clients for use of condoms in order to avoid aids. But in all
> > > the other brothels in India social workers and NGO`S are trying to
> > > acquaint the sex workers about the ill effects of AIDS and are
> > > insisting them for using condoms
> >
> > > CASE STUDY
> > > Meena was married off at 12. Soon after she was taken to Delhi by her
> > > husband, where she found out that he was a pimp. In the last three
> > > years, she has serviced up to six clients a night. The major part of
> > > her earnings goes to pay rent on the little room; the rest goes to her
> > > husband. Maya, 10, was taken to Gorakhpur in Uttar Pradesh by her aunt
> > > who was paid Rs 3 000. When she refused to have sex with a client, she
> > > was locked in a room for two days, scared with snakes and beaten
> > > unconscious. When she came around she was raped by the client. Four
> > > years on, Maya lives in the red-light area of Mumbai. Her two year old
> > > spends the night in a crèche run by a social service organization.
> > > When he was only a few Months old, she used to drug him and put him
> > > under her working cot.
> >
> > > Steps that should be taken in order to fight with prostitution:
> > > # Formal education should be made available to those victims who are
> > > still within the school going age, while non-formal education should
> > > be made accessible to adults
> > > # The Central and State Governments in partnership with non-
> > > governmental organizations should provide gender sensitive market
> > > driven vocational training to all those rescued victims who are not
> > > interested in education
> > > # Rehabilitation and reintegration of rescued victims being a long-
> > > term Recruitment of adequate number of trained counsellors and social
> > > workers in institutions/homes run by the government independently or
> > > in collaboration with non-governmental organizations
> > > # Awareness generation and legal literacy on economic rights,
> > > particularly for women and adolescent girls should be taken up.
> > > # Adequate publicity, through print and electronic media including
> > > child lines and women help lines about the problem of those who have
> > > been forced into prostitution.
> > > # Culturally sanctioned practices like the system of devadasis,
> > > jogins, bhavins, etc. which provides a pretext for prostitution should
> > > be addressed suitably.
> >
> > > Shall India legalize prostitution?
> > > Some people opine that prostitution shall be made legal in India and
> > > accept them as a part of society because the problem of prostitution
> > > is inevitable. The benefit of legalizing prostitution in India will be
> > > that atleast we will have a track record of Sexworkers as for example
> > > when dance bar in Bombay were closed most of the bar dancers migrated
> > > to Gujarat and Karnataka and other neighbouring state and started
> > > their business undercover. Legalising prostitution will see these
> > > women, who live life on the edge everywhere, gaining access to medical
> > > facilities, which can control the spread of AIDS. There is a very
> > > strong need to treat the sex industry as any other industry and
> > > empower it with legal safeguards. The practical implications of the
> > > profession being legal would bring nothing but benefits for sex
> > > workers and society as a whole. Keeping prostitution illegal also
> > > contributes to crime because many criminals view prostitutes and their
> > > customers as attractive targets for robbery, fraud, rape, or other
> > > criminal acts. The criminals realize that such people are unlikely to
> > > report the crimes to police, because the victims would have to admit
> > > they were involved in the illegal activity of prostitution when the
> > > attacks took place, now if it is legal then they will easily go and
> > > report this to police.Benifits of legalizing prostitution are:
> >
> > > Legalization of prostitution and the sex industry will stop sex
> > > trafficking.
> > > Legalization of prostitution will control the sex industry.
> > > Legalization of prostitution will decrease clandestine, hidden,
> > > illegal and street prostitution.
> > > Legalization of prostitution will protect the women in prostitution as
> > > they will have rights.
> > > Women in systems of Prostitution want the sex industry legalized as
> > > they are the one who suffers the most as they don’t have any rights.
> > > Legalization of prostitution will promote women's health as they can
> > > have easy access to medical facilities which they don’t have when it
> > > is illegal.
> > > Recognizing prostitution as an economic activity, thus enabling women
> > > in India to obtain working permits as "sex workers".
> >
> > > What Should Be done????????????????????????? A Big Question Ahead
>
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