testing for devanaagarii characters

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pk sharma

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Dec 21, 2009, 1:55:26 PM12/21/09
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tried a lot, but compactness (6 buttons) vs. conceptual simplicity for understanding keystroke combinations (7 buttons) .. convenience wins hands down
 
so the prelim draft based on  javascript and qwerty keyboard's 7 keys : A S D F   J K L
 
 
unfortunately, some keys of the western key-combos had to be sacrificed !
a universal layout is just not possible .. the indic languages have toooo many
characters .. and there are severe problems even with 7 keys .. due to the
strict grouping, classes and construction on basis of phonetics, indic languages
just do not set into the pattern of the english/european alphabetic set
 
..peekay
chords3.htm

seppo

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Jan 2, 2010, 5:45:43 AM1/2/10
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Good work peekay!

It's nice to notice that you do not have combination |||| on the left
hand while typing vowels and maatraas because this brings the
possibility to maintain hardware compatibility with the set of 6 GKOS
keys in case there are not 7 keys available. Consonants are not
affected but vowels can be typed so that you first press the keys
according to your table and then just add all the rest of the left
keys to the chord. This indicates that with 7 keys the A-key should be
included. In other words, you use a Chordon while having just 6 keys
available. E.g. for typing aa, instead of pressing left |..| & right
|.. you press ..| & |.. and then slide to combination ||| & |..
meaning you add the rest of the keys of the left hand to the chord
without releasing any key before that. The right hand chords for
vowels are simple so this should be a minor additional skill to
master.

Seppo

On Dec 21 2009, 8:55 pm, "pk sharma" <pksharmakolk...@gmail.com>
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>  chords3.htm
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seppo

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Jan 2, 2010, 9:19:43 AM1/2/10
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...another possibility is to press the left combo first and then add
the right hand one, to separate between vowels and the rest.

seppo

seppo

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Jan 2, 2010, 9:59:29 AM1/2/10
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How do you plan to navigate (Arrows, PgDown etc.) ? Backspace? etc.

seppo

seppo

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:09:11 PM1/4/10
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peekay,

I have studied your proposal and made a further version of it to add
controls, navigation and hardware compatibility with 6 keys.

just started a new page to describe it:

http://groups.google.com/group/gkos/web/gkos-sanskrit-proposal

What do you think? To me it seems very logical and it is very much
along the lines of your tables.

seppo

On Dec 21 2009, 8:55 pm, "pk sharma" <pksharmakolk...@gmail.com>
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>  chords3.htm
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seppo

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:44:51 AM1/5/10
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peekay,

Here is a file (html page) which you can use to test my proposal:
http://groups.google.com/group/gkos/web/chords4timed.html

Please feel free to improve it!

regards,
seppo

seppo

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Jan 5, 2010, 6:53:25 AM1/5/10
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seppo

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Jan 5, 2010, 7:54:25 AM1/5/10
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...the links above to the files do not seem to function here (due to
scripts?). You better see the page here:

http://kaiku.homeip.net/www2/gkos/chords5timed.html

seppo

On Jan 5, 1:53 pm, seppo <seppo.tiai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhat further developed html chording page:http://gkos.googlegroups.com/web/chords5timed.html?gda=rzCYSUMAAACOYr...

pk sharma

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:52:32 PM1/5/10
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seen the page
tried the chords
mostly work ok
i get the logic .. works fine too
i get the logic for the cursor control keys too .. works fine again
congrats
i coudn't have done a better job

but...

there is a later version where the key combos have been changed .. for ease
of use by low to very low i.q. users

the modification that has been done by you is on the earlier version of
chording scheme

on re-thinking and extensive trials, i find the later chording schemes to be
easier to understand, remember and use

i guess you will have to place the cursor controls and other characters in
suitable places on the other (later) table of chording scheme

excellent work nevertheless !

..peekay

http://kaiku.homeip.net/www2/gkos/chords5timed.html

seppo

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pk sharma

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:05:02 PM1/5/10
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the revision of chording scheme (to make understanding, remebering easier)
has resulted in chords4.htm

i attach the file with this email

i have almost covered all the characters of sanskrit

the logic of grouping is not my option,

it is as laid out in the language or by the govt of india standards

it is therefore followed by microsoft in its "inscript" layout (the
"standard" which is not quite usable or convenient)

the timer/delay scheme seems useful
but let me think a bit more from indian user viewpoint
for power users it would be perfect !

..peekay

(i suggest you name your modifications as
chords4a-timed.html,
chords4b-timed.html,
chords4c-timed.html
and so on

1,2,3,4 being my revisions and
a,b,c being your revisions)

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From: "seppo" <seppo....@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: testing for devanaagarii characters

CHORDS4.HTM

seppo

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Jan 5, 2010, 7:35:25 PM1/5/10
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peekay,

my version is then CHORDS3a, so I renamed my java script chording page

Do you intend to have the possibility to use timing to separate
between vowels and consonants with 6 keys? I think that is an
interesting challenge, especially at this early stage when everything
is still possible: maintain the ease of use you have developed and
still have a reasonably simple way to use 6 keys by timing.

The official grouping should of course be maintained but that could be
implemented with different chording schemes. Yours is simple and seems
practical. To me the only problem at the moment is that there are
single keys (while other hand is not pressing anything) where timing
is not possible...

seppo

>  CHORDS4.HTM
> 39KViewDownload

seppo

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Jan 6, 2010, 6:23:00 AM1/6/10
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peekay,

Do you think you could maintain the principle (as it is now) that
there is never a case where the left hand is not pressing any out of
the 3 keys SDF at least while typing vowels? In that case, there is an
easy way to separate the one-key-only vowels and maintain the hardware
compatibility with 6 keys by simple timing! Please try to keep that as
a guideline as far as possible.

When you have completed the tables could you make chords5 available so
I can try the timing idea?

seppo

pks kolkata

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Jan 6, 2010, 7:38:46 AM1/6/10
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yes .. i think that pressing at least one out of SDF for
vowels can be made mandatory
 
chords5 will evovle or be fixed once i get your feedback
on the scheme of chords4 .. which in turn is a slightly
different one from chords3
 
..peekay

2010/1/6 seppo <seppo....@gmail.com>
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peekay

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Jan 6, 2010, 8:24:45 AM1/6/10
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> When you have completed the tables could you make chords5 available so
> I can try the timing idea?

chords5 will evovle or be fixed once i get your feedback


on the scheme of chords4 .. which in turn is a slightly
different one from chords3


; basing on right hand fingers the scheme can be -
; |.. .|. ..| ||. .|| ||| |.|
; 1st 2nd 3rd 4h 5th 6th 7th letters
; and
; using left hand fingers -
; ..| .|. |.. .|| ||. ||| |.| groups

; alternatively :

; basing on right hand fingers -
; |.. ||. .|. .|| ..| ||| |.|

most probably, the upper scheme will prevail (people find that much
easier to follow -
Single, Single, Single, Double, Double,
Triple & oddTypeDouble
Index, Middle, Ring, IndexMiddle, MiddleRing,IndxMidRing &
IndexRing

and don't prefer the more scientific -
Single, Double, Single,Double,Single,Triple&oddTypeDouble

if not clear, ask me again

..peekay

seppo

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Jan 6, 2010, 3:08:50 PM1/6/10
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peekay,

Here is version chords4b-timed.html:
http://kaiku.homeip.net/www2/gkos/chords4b_timed.html

You are welcome to build on that in case you have not proceeded too
far with your next version.

seppo

pk sharma

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Jan 7, 2010, 1:01:19 AM1/7/10
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feels good !
quite easy to master too !

i feel that it will be right to give a long pause before
trying the next version of chordsX.htm

thank you for the dedicated interest in finding a solution
to a rather kinky problem

..peekay

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Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:38 AM
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seppo

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Jan 8, 2010, 2:59:44 PM1/8/10
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Some calculations about number of keys and 2-key and 3-key combos:

http://kaiku.homeip.net/www2/gkos/numbers_of_keys_and_combos.txt

seppo

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