GKOS Hindi character set

[seppo]

I started a new Page (menu on the right) with a possible solution for
typing Hindi vowels on GKOS. At first glance it may look complicated
but it is quite consistent if you study it a while. Further, it is
possible to type mixed English and Hindi (at least the vowels). I have
some idea about the consonants as well.

[pks kolkata]

good effort .. the vowels correspond to the english vowels

almost exactly .. in english there are five .. in hindi there

are ten .. but the 'other' five are just the main five doubled

a e i o u   aa ee ii oo uu .. almost .. 

ee is actually pronounced ai

oo is actually pronounced au

i am attaching a modified .png file to the email to seppo

directly .. leaving it to him to replace the .png he put on

the 'Pages' section of the group

the effort to put the consonant 'Pa'  with the modifers

is also a good effort .. the concept of short vowels on

the mid button and the long ones on the bottom

button is good .. the idea of putting the 'special' 

vowels on the top button is good too ..

the 'different' way of releasing the button to get the

pa-group with the 12 modifiers looks almost 'perfect'

let me look at it a bit more .. for confirming/suggesting

to me this looks okay for 6back expert users who will

use the same h/w and pc for both english and hindi

2009/5/14 seppo <seppo....@gmail.com>

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[seppo]

peekay,

I replaced the figure of vowels as you proposed. thank you for
checking and modifying the chart.

before going much further, it would be interesting to know some hints
of statistics about hindi characters, like which consonants (or
consonant groups) are the most common, which characters are really
infrequent, which vowels go together most often with which consonants
etc.

could you provide some basic info on this. just general information. I
guess it must be possible to combine all consonants with all vowels
(using diacritics?).

seppo

On May 14, 6:11 am, pks kolkata <pksharmakolk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> good effort .. the vowels correspond to the english vowelsalmost exactly ..

> in english there are five .. in hindi there
> are ten .. but the 'other' five are just the main five doubled
>
> a e i o u   aa ee ii oo uu .. almost ..
> ee is actually pronounced ai
> oo is actually pronounced au
>
> i am attaching a modified .png file to the email to seppo
> directly .. leaving it to him to replace the .png he put on
> the 'Pages' section of the group
>
> the effort to put the consonant 'Pa'  with the modifers
> is also a good effort .. the concept of short vowels on
> the mid button and the long ones on the bottom
> button is good .. the idea of putting the 'special'
> vowels on the top button is good too ..
>
> the 'different' way of releasing the button to get the
> pa-group with the 12 modifiers looks almost 'perfect'
>
> let me look at it a bit more .. for confirming/suggesting
>
> to me this looks okay for 6back expert users who will
> use the same h/w and pc for both english and hindi
>

> 2009/5/14 seppo <seppo.tiai...@gmail.com>

>
>
>
> > I started a new Page (menu on the right) with a possible solution for
> > typing Hindi vowels on GKOS. At first glance it may look complicated
> > but it is quite consistent if you study it a while. Further, it is
> > possible to type mixed English and Hindi (at least the vowels). I have
> > some idea about the consonants as well.
>
> --
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> Firefox द्वारा खुले gMail में   अ आ हिन्दी keyboard से टंकित  ]
>

>  hindi_vowels2.png
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[pks kolkata]

I replaced the figure of vowels as you proposed. thank you for
checking and modifying the chart.

quick work .. thanks to you too :-)

 

before going much further, it would be interesting to know some hints
of statistics about hindi characters,

i know and understand this approach based on 'statistics' of frequency etc.

 

like which consonants (or consonant groups) are the most common,

which characters are really infrequent, 

which vowels go together most often with which consonants

this exercise does get discussed .. but till now, there isn't much

hindi script material in electronic format .. so results are usually

based on a few books, or some sections of some books .. with

widely varying results

so it cannot be authoritatively determined

further, the existing 'logic' of grouping of consonants .. the 

separate grouping and placement of vowels .. the symbols

used as modifiers of consonants .. all these are more or 

less 'fixed' in the hindi alphabet .. the sequence of letters

is not 'fixed' on any logic or any basis in the european

character set

so, it is much easier for keeping the character set laid out

in any s/w or h/w 'as is' .. instead of putting most used

letters near each other and others 'further away'

it will be easier for hindi language users to 'understand' and

then 'remember' .. and then practice and become high speed

typists on the existing logic based key-layout

 

etc.

could you provide some basic info on this. just general information. I
guess it must  be possible to combine all consonants with all vowels
(using diacritics?).

a bit of elaboration here .. when a consonant combines with a vowel

its 'look' is altered by 'adding' the modifier-symbol ..

e.g. pa joins with aa .. so we for 'papa' we  write :

p+a+p+a = papa (english)

pa+aa+pa+aa (hindi .. consonant 'pa' + vowel 'aa')

प+ आ+ प+ आ (hindi .. consonant प + vowel आ )

प+ ा + प + ा (hindi .. consonant प + modifier symbol ा )

पापा  (as it is actually written .. it takes up only TWO spaces

         unlike the english letter papa which takes FOUR spaces)

EVERY CONSONANT is so 'modified' to give out the 

sound dictated by the vowel-symbol

in operating systems/ browsers, the 'rendering' is done

by the system/browser/application .. so the 

consonant combines with a modifier-symbol of the 

vowel and the changed shape is displayed on the

computer's screen by the sytem/application/browser

there IS a need though .. the vowel is different from the

modifier-symbol for that vowel .. as such the two have

two separate distinct unicode points

for GKOS  this means that the vowels will need 

different keys assigned to them and their modifier-

symbols will need yet other different keys

(gosh .. this does sound quite complicated .. but

actually it is not complicated at all .. once the 

character set logic is understood .. and the 

glyph forming logic is understood)

 

seppo