Fundamentals of Vedanta – II : KNOWLEDGE

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Krishnan Iyer

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May 29, 2010, 10:13:59 AM5/29/10
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Dear Friends
Hari Om

This  the  second of  the  series  on Fundamentals of Vedanta which dwells  on the  method.

 

                         Fundamentals of  Vedanta – II : KNOWLEDGE 

We have discussed , in part I  that whatever  is the  nature of the  mind , it is only with  the  mind  that  we can have knowledge . What is knowledge ?  

1) Knowledge is eternal

2) Ignorance appears to obliterate the knowledge of objects

3) Knowledge of objects takes place by the removal of  the ignorance covering the

    knowledge  of the object.

4) Objective knowledge is  only attributive knowledge .

5) Knowledge can be gained only by a conscious entity- essentially the  Consciousness

   has to illumine the thought related to the object , for the knowledge of the object to

   occur. This entity alone is  the substantive.

6) The  Reality  is devoid  of any attribute.- Nirguna .

6) Saastraas alone are  the  tools  or Pramaana , for gaining the knowledge of

    the substantive.

7) Saastras indicate a process of  negation in the understanding of the  Reality and  call

    that as the pure  knowledge

When Ignorance that is covering the knowledge of the objects is removed we discover the existence of those objects. Implication of this is that knowledge is eternal and self-evident, but gets revealed when the ignorance that appears to cover the object of knowledge is removed ‘ignorance’ desists us from the knowledge of an object , but it is more like a darkness covering the knowledge of all the objects in a dark room

However , I am also  aware of the darkness and  this  awareness is also an object of knowledge -  the Consciousness , because   of  which  I have the knowledge of  the darkness itself , is not opposite to darkness.

The  Knowledge we ‘gain’ is  only a qualified knowledge and termed as objective knowledge and  is defined as being aware  of object’s existence and aware of its attributes  that are perceived through senses. The precise definition of an object rests on the precise definition of its distinguishing attributes.

Objective knowledge is only attributive knowledge since senses can measure only the attributes of an object and the attributes of the substantive that can be perceive directly by them. Senses  cannot  gather substantive itself.

The attributes perceptible to the senses and that differentiate the objects  belong to

the objects and not the substantive .For example the attributes of Gold  which is of

the substantive are  not all readily  visible to  the senses  and these attributes cannot differentiate one object of Gold from the other. The malleability of the gold which distinguishes it from other metals is not apparent and it  cannot differentiate a gold  ring from a set of  bangles. 

Once we understand that it is  the substantive which matters really we shall understand

the objects in the real  perspective – the ring , the bangles are all in essence the  gold itself in different  forms.  

The  substantive is one without a second ,and hence  there is nothing to differentiate the Reality  from any other entity. Existence ,Consciousness ,Bliss are not attributes of the Reality . They are its intrinsic structure to differentiate it from all unconscious entities .

The self is wrongly  viewed as a subject in relation to an object .

Object is not a self-existent entity, since it is not self-conscious. For an object’s

Existence to be established , a conscious entity has  to illumine its existence.

Pure knowledge, on the other hand ,is pure consciousness – this  knowledge is ‘objectless awareness’.   

Knowledge of the substantive can only be gained by Saastra Pramaana.

The  means knowledge – that  which  is operative for the  knowledge to take place is called  Pramaana -  Pramaa karanam pramaanam’

The Process of  valid knowledge involves  three constituents :  the subject –Predicate-Object structure (Triputi)

 ….. The knower or ‘Pramaata’ - subject who owns that knowledge .

….  Vishaya  or ‘Prameya’ - Object of knowledge

….. ‘Pramiti’ - knowledge of the object

Pramaana is  that which is   ‘non-negatable’ – which is not  sublated  subsequently. Absolute knowledge is defined as that which can never be negated or contradicted at any time -  which is  real :  Trikaala abaadhitam satyam

 Sruti alone becomes the source of  that knowledge of the material cause from all

objects in the universe , being concerned  with the Reality while  other  Pramaanaas like

Perception ( Pratyaksha Pramaanaa) are  concerned  with  empirical things .

The insight ,Sruti provides through its  teaching is  mediate knowledge ( Paroksha Jnana ) and  the reason , purified & sharpened again by  the  teachings of  the sruti , plays  an important role in the transformation of the mediate  knowledge  into an  immediate one (Aparoksha jnana)

The Vedic revelation, is an absolutely independent (Nirapeksham) and self-constituting authority (Svarthe pramanyam). But human dicta  (Purusha-vacasam) are dependent upon an external basis and mediated (Vyavahita) by memory (Smrti) and discourse (Vaktr).

Hence it  must be recalled  that the search for  the Absolute  cannot  be  outside our experience. It  is from our  day to day  experience  that we  have  to find the Truth – the Absolute , which is  indeed the  self  of the individual . Faith on the  Saastras  helps  us in this pursuit.

The very process of ‘ knowing ’  involves subject-object distinction .The self in itself is not a knowing subject .Nor can the  mind by  itself  know anything ,being inert (Jada)

In the  absence of the   knowing subject , there is no scope of for  any  Pramaanaa.

For a knowing  subject  to  be  available , a blend of  the Self  and the mind is required , as is a mutual  superimposition of the  self  and  the  not-self ( itaretaraadhyaasaa) 

 SUM  UP :

The substantive cannot be grasped  by the  senses – Agraahya / Apremya. The method of

Vedanta  is one of negation which in that process differentiates the Reality from   all objects in the Universe. When I know who I am, what I will know is I am the substantive for all - the intellect, the mind and the body as well.

The Reality cannot be objectified, it can be recognised  only as the witness-consciousness behind the mind

I am functioning as the knower (pramata). If Brahman is limitless, It cannot be a prameyam, because prameyam is limited by pramata; prameyam is not pramata. So we have to negate all known objects ( all prameyams); but this is an endless job. The best way to negate prameyams is to negate pramata. If there is no pramata, there is no prameyam.

 

 Hari Om 

P.G.KRISHNAN
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kumar venkateswaran

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May 30, 2010, 3:42:18 PM5/30/10
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Krishnan,
 
Can't you please put the above in simple English ???
 
I understood NOTHING at all !!!!!
 
K

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Krishnan Iyer

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Jun 13, 2010, 10:56:23 AM6/13/10
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Tks  Asmita 

Maya is  NOT  a superimposition  on  the Reality.

It  is ON ACCOUNT  OF  Maya that  Jivas superimpose anatma on  the  reality.Once I  Know who I am  I have known that  that I am  not anatma  ( Body, Mind , Intellect )  by  overcoming the Avarana Shakti of Maya ( Concealing Power) . Till the  time You  have misapprehension   you will have  non apprehension  too ,  although  it  is  because  of  non apprehension of the  self that misapprehension  occurs. We will deal  with this  in  the next  posting  which  will be  on  Avastha Thraya / Pancha Kosha  Viveka

Yes , Superimposition  does not have  existence (  Na Abhavo Vidhyathe Sathah - Bhagavd Gita - Chaptet II ) only  in the  sense that  it  does not have  existence at all times ( Trikale Na Thisthathi ). However , it does have existence temporarily and  retains its hold  till  that is sublated by true  knowledge.


Hari  Om
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On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Asmita Dhore <asmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hari Om!,
 
 
Krishnan in sum up you have written once I know who I am I will know I am substantive for all.  

I read but there are so many doubts. Like once you know who I am then actually nothing exists. As Maya is suerimposition on the reality. And superimposition cannot exist.
 
Any how I am much far away from reality as I am yet trying to dignose the ilness within to come to conclusive prescription.

 
Asmita Dore



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