For the price of one decent addon, I got both. I was tired of waiting and really, really needed a good 737-200. Now. If they ever come through with the v4 then it will be half price. If the 727 goes on sale, I'll pick that up, too. Just made my first flight and had a blast. Neither version of X-plane knows the other is installed, so that was drama free. In 12 the Felis 747-200 continues to amaze. But for the Coolsky DC-9, A2A Connie and Aerosoft DC-8, I would probably go ahead and uninstall P3D. As it is, I have flown it maybe twice in three months. Have never felt the love for MSFS (not that it's bad, just not my cup of tea).
Thanks, have looked at those mods... never tried anything like that but might get brave enough. I think a lot of those 737-200s were probably really bare-bones, and doubt many had the Delco Carousel INS installed. N9009U was donated by United to our local avtech program. 1969 vintage but in service well into the 80s. It's got nothing but the Sperry and what appears to be an early ACARS system bolted onto the panel (screen with print capability). I imagine it was never flown anyway but Slant Alpha.
A working PDCS would be an amazing addon, though. I'm surprised no one has done it, since I wouldn't think it would be that difficult. But I don't know. And I guess United figured they paid pilots to look at table and do math ?
Not difficult, but hundreds of hours of work. Model the PDCS, texture it, get the display rendered some way, hack in all the EPR tables from the performance manual and any other fancy functions, then test fly it in every conceivable way to iron out the bugs.
I already had XP11 installed so just did the same. Took a while to decide between the 732 and the 727 but went for the 737 as i think they said they would be updating that one first. I too love the Felis 742 as well. Just getting used to this 732 now as well!
I was getting CTDs on both the 737 and 727 until I removed the X-TCAS folder from all of them. Just finished a New York to Denver flight in the 727-200ADV and can't remember a more enjoyable flight. It really keeps you busy the whole time. The 737 is great, too (plus has the advantage of a cabin). If you don't have X-Camera, I highly recommend it to juggle all the views. My eyesight isn't the greatest and the "momentarily" zoom on different instrument groups makes things a lot easier. The CIVA is a nice add-on for ten bucks, too.
Interesting as I have had one CTD, and in the log there was a whole bunch of entries just before about ATC doing something. Maybe that is the same plug in causing that? I will remove to see if it recurs.
Not having XP11 precludes the delights of the FJS 727 and 737. It also precludes the delights of the Wilson DC-8 and Boeing 707-300s. There was a DC-9 30 sometime referred to as Rogers DC-9 that came up from the XP10 days to XP11 and with a couple of mods here and there is a very nice rendition of the Diesel! - sadly not for XP12 at all for all its reasons.
FJS are well not high on my list of favourite developers - been waiting 18 months now for an update of the 727, Vague promises but nothing eventuates - cost them the sale of the Dash8 Q400 is all I can say. Complaints are ignored.
Now the Wilson machines. For late comers to XP there was a very creative and talented single man modeller called Michael Wilson, produced the DC-8 the 707 and the Sandringham and had been working on a Comet 4 they were all packaged and sold via the Org Store but only for XP11. Some few years ago it seems some personal tragedy ensued with Michael - I suspect he died and well as for his estate or whatever who knows. Anyway the items once sold at the store have all now gone. But it is a reason you see skins for them in the library. His Short Solent looked stunning but I could not get it. I have come by versions of the DC-8 and the 707 and yes they will work in XP12 but there are some annoying bugs that you have to live with (No they are not pirate copies!).
Almost tempted to do the sale but have the 727 already and well the IXEG 737-300 is a close cousin and a very fine rendition so can live without the 200. The MD80 has to do for the Diesel experience.
The 737-200 while a great addon is only for X-Plane 11. A new version hasn't even been announced, could be years out and will have to be bought separately. So I would make sure I understand all of this before a purchase.
The one in the 747 is more detailed, but the basics are the same, and the CIVA addon gets the job done in period fashion. As for ATC crashes, pffft... in my brief time with X-plane I have learned to use ATC at risk of CTD sometimes. I just skip it. This seems to be a longstanding problem. But the X-ATC plug in that comes with the FlyJSim stuff just needs to go.
Yeah, not holding my breath, which is why I picked up X-Plane 11 despite owning X-Plane 12. It's actually pretty decent for my purposes, and like CoastalDriver pointed out, it's currently a must for some classics. They have said they are working on it, but they've been saying that for a long time. If it brings the 737 & 727 classics into 12 with improvements, I'd buy at least the 737-200. But I'm fanatical about those two airplanes. But at the moment I'm finishing a Baltimore to Salt Lake City flight in the 727-100 using radio navigation. (I do have the CIVA installed in the 200 but like to keep things different.)
Yeah, I've noticed a distinct lack of big piston pounders in X-plane. I do have the DC-3 by VSKYLABS which is an absolute psycho on the ground, not to mention bursting into flames if you look at it the wrong way. Anyway, still couldn't be happier with the rest in both versions.
Incredibly beautiful I must say ! Congratulations for your hard work. I first use you guide for the Harrier II to complete my own guide to the X-Trident variant, and already found it professional. Great guide. I also was able to find some interesting performance information in your bibliography.
Knew nothing about jet airliners having never flown them in flight sim, took Chuck's guide, started the 732 up for the first time without issue, took off, did the circuit and not a half-bad landing, all thanks to Chuck!
My thanks for the absolutely great 737-200 guide. I am currently transitioning to X-plane 11. The FS 737 is one of my favorites, and frankly there is a learning curve to flying her. While I enjoy the learning experience a bit of help is much appreciated.
This is an excellent manual. I wish I had something like this years ago when I first got into flight simulation as I had no idea what an airway, SID or STAR was at that time so I really was a lost pilot and did a much better job at flying paper airplanes.
Yeah I would also really enjoy an avionics upgrade for this classic bird. Especially a configuration like depicted above, keeping the base spirit and layout of the cockpit but adding a more modern autopilot and an FMC for LNAV/VNAV capabilities.
Such an update would be great, maintaining the charm of analog. The FlyJSim 737-200 could do as Flightfactor did, you pay separately for a more modern update as in the image above I am in full agreement with friend @ebsoc.
I would love this option too! There are a handful of these birds still flying and all need some modern avionics equipment to remain compliant (ie: ADS-B). The default X-Plane FMC is okay, but it's still very limited in functionality.
I would love to have an option to change the avionics like in the flightfactor 767/757. not like to an glass cockpit but to an different kind of more ore less old school cockpit, some different autopilot and steam gauges and an older kinda fmc. This would be an huge appreciation.
I personally see no need for the full glass cockpit setup, but the vast majority of 732s were fitted with FMSes and autopilots similar to what you would find in a 733/734. Would love to see a 90s/00s 732 upgrade with VNAV -- don't much care for the default XP FMS.
To @sargo I strongly disagree. A 'realistic' retrofit does not have to be at the level of the NG. Take a look at Ryanairs modified 737s that were in use in the early 2000s. Still retained character, but less primitive than the one modelled by flyjsim. I like these frankenstein-tier aircraft. Really shows airlines' desperate attempts to bring an aged aircraft into the modern era.
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