Rain Enhancement research grants $1.5 Million (US Dollars), distributed over three years: UAEREP's 4th Cycle - few days left to submit "Letter of Intent"

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Renaud de RICHTER

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Feb 13, 2021, 4:28:13 PM2/13/21
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If interested in the "UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science" US$1.5 competition , hurry up, only few days left to submit a "letter of interest"
Then one month left till March 18th, 2021 to submit your "pre-proposal" research project.
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Date: mar. 9 févr. 2021 à 12:47
Subject: UAEREP's 4th Cycle - 1 week left to submit your "Letter of Intent"
To: UAEREP <UAE...@ncms.ae>


 

 

We’re welcoming researchers, scientists and innovators

to take part in the UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science’s (UAEREP)

4th Cycle.

 

The Program is managed by the National Centre of

Meteorology (NCM) as part of its mission to support

research in weather modification by granting a $1.5 Million (US Dollars), distributed over three years with a maximum annual amount of $550K, selected by a two-stage merit review decision process, bolstering the UAE’s position as the hub of Rain Enhancement Science, as together we will be leading the way in promoting innovation for the benefit of future generations at risk of water shortages.

 

For more information about the 4th Cycle of the Program,

visit: www.uaerep.ae

 

Kindly use the following link to submit your

pre-proposals: https://apply.uaerep.ae/ 

Refer to the 4th Cycle timeline by clicking here  

 

 

 

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Jessica Gurevitch

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Feb 13, 2021, 4:51:42 PM2/13/21
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It is very, very interesting that the gigantic efforts in China and here (UAE), and no doubt elsewhere on rain enhancement are not getting pushback from the anti-climate-intervention groups. Where is the international governance? Moving rainfall around, removing it from one place to put it somewhere else, has huge international implications.



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Alan Robock

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Feb 13, 2021, 5:02:57 PM2/13/21
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It doesn’t work. It’s a scam. That’s why scientists ignore it.  

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On Feb 13, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Jessica Gurevitch <jessica....@stonybrook.edu> wrote:


It is very, very interesting that the gigantic efforts in China and here (UAE), and no doubt elsewhere on rain enhancement are not getting pushback from the anti-climate-intervention groups. Where is the international governance? Moving rainfall around, removing it from one place to put it somewhere else, has huge international implications.



On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:28 PM Renaud de RICHTER <renaud.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
If interested in the "UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science" US$1.5 competition , hurry up, only few days left to submit a "letter of interest"
Then one month left till March 18th, 2021 to submit your "pre-proposal" research project.
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De : UAEREP <UAE...@ncms.ae>
Date: mar. 9 févr. 2021 à 12:47
Subject: UAEREP's 4th Cycle - 1 week left to submit your "Letter of Intent"
To: UAEREP <UAE...@ncms.ae>


 

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We’re welcoming researchers, scientists and innovators

to take part in the UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science’s (UAEREP)

4th Cycle.

 

The Program is managed by the National Centre of

Meteorology (NCM) as part of its mission to support

research in weather modification by granting a $1.5 Million (US Dollars), distributed over three years with a maximum annual amount of $550K, selected by a two-stage merit review decision process, bolstering the UAE’s position as the hub of Rain Enhancement Science, as together we will be leading the way in promoting innovation for the benefit of future generations at risk of water shortages.

 

For more information about the 4th Cycle of the Program,

visit: www.uaerep.ae

 

Kindly use the following link to submit your

pre-proposals: https://apply.uaerep.ae/ 

Refer to the 4th Cycle timeline by clicking here  

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        For more information about the program: programse...@uaerep.ae

        Copyright © UAEREP, overseen by NCM, 2020, All rights reserved.

 

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Andrew Lockley

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Feb 13, 2021, 5:11:59 PM2/13/21
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I suggest this is a broader phenomenon. One can pick dozens of examples of very public outrage over the most minor breach of western political/social norms and rules. By contrast, gross and large scale violations of human rights or sovereignty in lower-income countries pass with little comment from those seemingly apoplectic over domestic trifles. 

A charitable interpretation may be that it is an imperialist tendency to seek any influence over the affairs of lower-income or culturally-distinct nations. A less charitable interpretation is that the outrage typical of our present-day culture is more about noisily signalling allegiance to a political or social group than it is about challenging any material harm. 

I won't be drawn on this issue, here. There are other fora in which the extent of and reasons for these apparent double standards may be debated. 

Andrew 


Renaud de RICHTER

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Feb 13, 2021, 5:41:13 PM2/13/21
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I'm not at all a specialist in this area, but as:
  • the residence time of atmospheric moisture is just over 8 days
  • most of that water rains back into the oceans -- only about 10 percent of it falls on the land
Consequently I believe that removing some atmospheric humidity over coastal areas will naturally be replaced very rapidly.

In my opinion, the important things which should have "huge international implications" but I don't remember having read anything about this in this list, are the massive emissions of GHGs and aerosols, which have caused and still cause droughts far away...

Jessica Gurevitch

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Feb 13, 2021, 7:55:58 PM2/13/21
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To be honest, I don't know enough about this to know what is valid, harmful, harmless, helpful, etc. But it does seem like it is climate intervention, and it does seem like it doesn't get much pushback internationally. Maybe it's legitimate to do this, maybe not; it's just notable that some sorts of climate intervention get major pushback but this does not. Perhaps it's more weather than climate, but....

Here are a couple of articles about this:


I don't know anything about the UAE's efforts, but clearly they are very interested. Yes, drought (and flooding) have severe effects on people globally.




Olivier Boucher

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Feb 14, 2021, 1:12:38 PM2/14/21
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Hello,

@Alan: it's clear that rain enhancement doesn't work if there is not enough humidity in the air, but whether it works under certain specific conditions in a statistically-significant manner remains an open question in my opinion. Research in the 1960s to 1980s was rather inconclusive, but our understanding of cloud dynamics has evolved quite a bit since.

I generally consider rain enhancement or weather modification not to be climate intervention, but assuming it works (and that's a big if) and it being done on a really large scale, such as China is envisaging (http://english.www.gov.cn/policies/latestreleases/202012/02/content_WS5fc76218c6d0f7257694125e.html), then wouldn't weather modification become some sort of climate intervention?

Finally I can see more benefit for a small country (such as UAE) who can basically "steal" a bit of rain from its neighbours or from the ocean, than a large country (such as China) who can at most hope to redistribute some rain across its territory.

Just a few thoughts for what they are worth, I'm happy to be contradicted.

Olivier


Alan Robock ☮

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Feb 14, 2021, 2:49:24 PM2/14/21
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Dear Olivier,

I completely agree with you.  The big question is whether it would work.  And if it worked, stealing rain from regions downwind is only one of many problems.  I can highly recommend Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control by James Fleming, which goes through the long, sordid, interesting history of attempts at weather and climate intervention.  For example, even within a region or country, if you could control it, who would decide how much rain you would get?  The book is full of hubris, charlatans, and military interests.  I have used it in freshmen seminars, and the students find it interesting. 

Alan


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