RE: Agree on disaster situation;
Robert Tulip
To John Englander
Hi John, thanks very much for your comments.
My naivety may be in the politics or the science, or both, but my point is that from an earth system perspective, direct cooling should be the immediate priority to protect the planet from dangerous warming. Increasing albedo is by far the easiest and most effective way to lower temperature rise and restore climate equilibrium. The world can afford not to accelerate decarbonisation if we first focus on establishing cooling technologies. That would bring political support for cooling and broader support for stabilising the climate with GGR. Trying to speed up decarbonisation is fraught with risk and difficulty and expense, in politics, economics and climate effects, bringing far higher risks than Solar Radiation Management with only minimal climate benefit.
After reading your book Moving To Higher Ground, I felt your interest in minimising sea level rise could be supported by a stronger focus on the potential of albedo increase to prevent ice melt and loss in Greenland and Antarctica. Stronger mitigation reduces need for adaptation. We should try to cure causes rather than just treating symptoms. Albedo loss is a bigger and more tractable source of warming than the forcing effects that could be addressed by cutting emissions. Cooling the Gulf Stream and Bering Strait ocean currents to help refreeze the Arctic would be a great way to mitigate climate change.
Best Regards
Robert Tulip
https://planetaryrestoration.net/
From: JOHN ENGLANDER <johneng...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2022 3:05 AM
To: Aaron Franklin <stateoft...@gmail.com>
Cc: Douglas Grandt <answer...@mac.com>; Robert Tulip <rtuli...@yahoo.com.au>; healthy-planet-action-coalition <healthy-planet-...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Agree on disaster situation;
Aaron — I agree on all the catastrophe aspects of what you write. It’s just that having been going to the high Arctic since 1985 and seeing the change in the ice / reflectance, I am rather skeptical of changing the albedo significantly and quickly. I am fine with trials of the spray ships etc. but found Robert's message that we should direct all focus to improving the albedo to be a bit naive, made even more unrealistic with the simple foundation/walls/roof perspective.
JOHN ENGLANDER
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On May 30, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Aaron Franklin <stateoft...@gmail.com> wrote:
GBNews clip on " Ming the mercilesses brother and Manboobs the Merciless partying in Davos right now.
Watch "'Dodgy regimes' attending the World Economic Forum Davos meeting | Mark Steyn and Andrew Lawton" on YouTube
On Tue, 31 May 2022, 4:16 am Aaron Franklin, <stateoft...@gmail.com> wrote:
John, we have totally lost control of increasing greenhouse gases, with non-anthropogenic release of fossil, ocean dissolved, and abiotic CO2, N2O, methane from polar ocean, permafrost, and subglacial stores ramping up rapidly due to geothermal, and volcanic systems running away in Marie-Byrdland West Antarctica, and East Antarcticas Fringes, Greenland, the polar Oceans etc.
The Ice Sheets are destabilising at unbelievable rates, the Sea ice in the north is shit to hell with an anoxic and Volcanically heated Atlantic side of the Arctic basin and the Greenland Aquifer disgorging throughout the crustal rifts from Svalbard to the fiords of Ellesmere Island, the PGAS out to the North pole.
Much of the CAA, the PGAS, the ESAS, the Mackenzie Beaufort coast did not freeze over this year.
The entire continental shelf margin, and Atlantic half of the polar basin has been melting ice all winter.
The focus on human Greenhouse reduction is being treated as an opportunity for making money and a totalitarian power grab opportunity by the WEF, WHO and the rest of the geriatric narcopathic sociopaths that control the world economic and political scene.
He'll, they even ran a play by play monkeypox rehearsal in march last year. See attached PDF.
None of their "Solutions" such as electric vehicles in the form being rolled out, depopulation, turning survivors into "own nothing and being happy [in the metaverse, eating lab vat grown and toxic GE industrial plant megafarmed feedstock fake food] " have any chance of doing anyy but accelerating ecosystem collapse and Anthropogenic Starvation AND Greenhouse gas emissions.
Slowing GHG rises is arguably impossible or implausible to even make a measurable effect at this point, and the LAST thing we need is to keep feeding a MANY decades past its use-by date emissions reduction strategy narrative.
The best chance we have now to blunt the impact is slowing the thaw with SRM and other Albedo measures.
And restorative ocean and land husbandry for all that we are worth.
Arawyn Franklin
On Tue, 31 May 2022, 2:56 am JOHN ENGLANDER, <johneng...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert and all —
I get the appeal and reasoning, but find this a misleading and dangerous position.
First, it indicates that we know how to increase the albedo in a benign way, with confidence, which is not the case.
Second, following this logic takes the emphasis off of slowing the increase in GHG.
JOHN ENGLANDER
Twitter: @johnenglander
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/in/johnenglander/
On May 30, 2022, at 10:18 AM, 'Doug Grandt' via Healthy Climate Alliance <healthy-clim...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Excellent analogy, Robert. I like it!
Good on ya, mate !
Doug Grandt
BTW, I am inspired to weave it into a May 1st presentation that I recorded last Sunday—there are a couple hiccups or verbal typos and rough unrehearsed sections that need to be cleaned up for an updated re-recording. Your thoughts and critique are welcome to streamline this 32 minute video Bit.ly/DougsMayDay
dg
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On May 30, 2022, at 7:40 AM, 'Robert Tulip' via Planetary Restoration <planetary-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The attached Climate Security Timeline shows a new suggestion on climate priorities.
It calls for a shift away from emission reduction as the main agenda, to instead focus at global level on albedo enhancement. Brightening the planet to reflect more sunlight can stabilise and reverse the movement toward a hotter world as the foundation of a new climate approach. Agreed systems to increase albedo should be in place before 2030. With a brighter planet as the foundation, the direct cooling effects make time available to scale up greenhouse gas conversion and removal to levels well above emissions. By the 2040s, GGC&R can produce steady decline in GHG levels over the second half of this century. Carbon dioxide conversion can store hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon in valuable locations such as soil, biomass, etc, reducing the need to sequester as CO2. Market demand can regulate global emissions, which at annual scale are a minor factor in radiative forcing compared to albedo and GHG concentrations.
The critical engineering path suggested for the planetary climate is like building a house. Albedo is the foundation, greenhouse gas conversions and removals are the walls, and decarbonisation caps the roof by a future move away from fossil fuels. You cannot build walls and roof until you have laid the foundation. That creates a timeline whereby global focus on a brighter world in this decade can replace the sole political emphasis on emissions and can give practical support to the recognition that removal of atmospheric carbon is essential.
Without higher albedo, GHG effects cannot cool the planet. Higher albedo can only be engineered by peaceful global cooperation on new technologies such as marine cloud brightening. Albedo needs to be addressed first, especially at the poles, where refreezing should be an immediate global priority for climate security. Turning the polar oceans from dark to light by stopping the melting of summer ice will make a critical difference in the planetary energy balance. A main focus on albedo will give time for the slower effects of GHG conversion, removal and reduction to contribute over the next decades to a stable and secure and productive planetary climate. This order of priorities can sustain the biosphere conditions that have enabled humans and all other living species to flourish on our planet Earth.
Robert Tulip
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