I of course agree we are in a dire situation regarding the climate. The structural contradiction between the ever expanding economic system that generates ever rising emissions on the one hand and the limits of ecosystems and societies to cope with the effects is profound and troubling. It's that contradiction that the exploration of SRM should be seen in the context of, IMO - rather than in terms of a one-off accidental injury, say.
I'm also glad we seem to agree that public opinion-information experiments don't provide a sufficient evidence base for concluding on whether mitigation deterrence is an issue that SRM research needs to take heed of. This is an unwarranted conclusion of the paper I reacted to.
However, Mike instead seems to suggest that SRM research can dismiss mitigation deterrence worries (or the narrower 'moral hazard') because renewables are cheaper so backsliding is 'unlikely'. I find that a very unconvincing understanding of energy system and societal transformation. It's true renewables like solar and wind are now often the cheapest sources of energy (hooray), but the transition away from fossil fuels is shaped by much more than current levelised cost of energy. There is powerful inertia from:
- deeply entrenched systems including sunk investments in fossil infrastructure,
- high short-term ROI for oil and gas (which fiduciary duties to shareholder profit make energy giants consistently prioritise, hence most investment is still in fossil fuels),
- the capital intensity of renewable deployment.
- geopolitical dependencies on fossil,
- the risk of stranded assets and market instability,
- influence of fossil fuel lobbying (they are way better connected and more powerful than renewables industries, so far)
etc.
Energy transition require deliberate policy, institutional reform, political struggles and cultural change to overcome structural barriers to ensure that cheaper renewables actually displace fossil energy at scale - and preferably much faster than so far.
SRM is entering a political forcefield, not just a new consumer price equilibrium.
Doug - I have always struggled with the presumption that outdoor/indoor is crucial with all indoor fine, outdoor risky. This presumes risks are basically only physical for starters. And the scale debate - well, scale is perhaps a proxy for physical risk, but an imperfect one even for those risks. The conversation has to be broader than the scale of outdoor experiments though, important though that probably is - more in terms of how to and within what overall framework to research and explore other options - alongside ramping up mitigation urgently.
A first step could be to not be in denial or trivialise the risks. Second step is to get beyond the 'declaratory approach' - declaring that SRM should not interfere with or replace accelerated emissions - and then essentially just hoping for the best. That's not a strategy.
Finally the rhetorical notion that rich people when they watch others die on TV will trigger serious mitigation is a (strange) version of the public-opinion-determines-mitigation argument. Rich people watch others die of poverty on TV all the time anyway. I guess your point is that you think researching SRM is important to prevent mass death among the poor (and therefore not deterring mitigation by such research is not a priority?). Researching SRM in a way that avoids it making more crisis and mortality would still be an important question - a question that is also often side-stepped by making it into a binary research/not research SRM. Can we talk about how to best pursue multiple aims and strategies without creating new problems. We have plenty already.
I'll keep it shortish for now as I'm recovering from eye surgery (but happy to continue convos later obviously).
Olaf