Collapsible Geodesic Dome?

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Brooke Beatty

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Sep 18, 2014, 12:14:56 PM9/18/14
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I am so thrilled to have found your group! I am working on creating a first-of-its-kind human-centered photography time-lapse project and in order to successfully create the piece, I need to construct a portable “photography studio”.  Because of the beautiful functionality and genius of the geodesic dome, I believe I have found the structure to emulate for the mobile studio. (Round spaces also help to avoid shadowing in an enclosed structure better than box shapes). Here are my hang-ups:

When the studio is open, it will be about 8 feet at its tallest point and 8 feet at its widest point, but it will need to collapse into something small enough to be able to carry underneath an airplane, (around a maximum of 50 total pounds and about 62 linear [total] inches. 

Because it needs to collapse, should I lean towards creating something along the lines of a Hoberman sphere or does that particular design take away all the strength of a Geodesic dome and lose the ability to stand on its own? Should I consider something like a RanDome instead?

The studio will need to carry camera equipment that will be around a total of 4.6 pounds so there is nothing too taxing weight-wise, however, the dome will also need to have a built in floor.

Finally, the dome must be void of all outside light. I will be contacting a textile specialist for the apropos fabric, (and if I simulate the concept of an outdoor fabric folding chair and each piece is sewn separately to its pertaining triangle, the fabric should work with the collapse of the structure).

I understand I will need to create a CAD drawing , but since I won’t know the proper measurements, angles, etc. who should I employ to help at this phase before creating a CAD? An architect? An engineer—if an engineer, what type? I am on a student budget but this is very important to me and I am willing to do what is needed to see this piece through to fruition. The structure must be built better than my individual capabilities because when I am done with the first time-lapse I will be passing it forward to others who would like to document a physical transformation of their own.

Apologies for the long post and thank you so much for your help!

 

 

     

 

 

 

 

 

Dick Fischbeck

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Sep 18, 2014, 3:48:20 PM9/18/14
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Brooke Beatty

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Sep 18, 2014, 5:00:43 PM9/18/14
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Ya know, Dick, your solution is so much more simplistic than what I had been envisioning that it's almost comical...and brilliant! Thank you! The interior needs to be black but I may be able to simply employ some sort of post-editing to remove any shadowing in the background. Therefore, what you have suggested may be exactly what I am after. 

I just wrote them to check in on pricing. Thank you again! 

Dick Fischbeck

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Sep 18, 2014, 5:56:51 PM9/18/14
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! !

Or, if the wind is light, cover the dome with black fabric.

Simple is my way. That's how the RanDome came about...

Dick Fischbeck

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Sep 18, 2014, 6:07:19 PM9/18/14
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Brooke Beatty <brooke...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Sep 23, 2014, 8:38:26 AM9/23/14
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Dick's inflatable idea is a good one or I remember seeing this folding dome:


good luck

Brooke Beatty

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Sep 23, 2014, 11:59:47 AM9/23/14
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Yes, the inflatable dome was nearly a slam dunk, minus the $6,200 price tag, (this is just for the structure and the blowing fan; also the only ones available are too large to fit inside my home and most anywhere else I will be traveling during that eight months as they require a 20' by 20' space to operate). I wrote to them regarding any refurbished products but it looks like it will still be out of my price range. The instructable is awesome too! (I have to take the photos each and every night so a setup time that involves two people to do in two hours or less is still too steep for efficiency's sake). These are all so much closer than I was when I originally wrote to you.   

And just as great ideas fuel refined thoughts, I was led to the path of North Face's Geodesic Dome Tent. Still out of my price range and too small for what I would like to achieve, following the notion of creating a tent with tent poles and blackout fabric is probably a pretty solid way to go. 

I've found sturdy customizable carbon fiber tent poles, and despite a shaky foundation in mathematics, it's now time to construct the design. If anyone has thoughts on making my own or people who create customized tents, please let me know. 

Thank you!  

Dick Fischbeck

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Sep 23, 2014, 4:51:06 PM9/23/14
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Hi Brooke

Do it without math then. A base circle lays on the ground. Then connect half circles to the base any old which-way. Indians used this method thousand of years ago making wigwams. 

For example, for clarity:


Connect the great circles wherever they cross. Can't go wrong.

Dick

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Dick Fischbeck

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Sep 23, 2014, 5:15:08 PM9/23/14
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Brooke

Here is what it can look like if you do care about symmetry, which I for one, do not. 


Nature isn't particularly concerned with symmetry either!



Cheers
Dick

Gerry in Quebec

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Sep 24, 2014, 3:55:58 AM9/24/14
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Hello Brooke,
Here's a simple dome-like shape (jpg attached) you might consider for your portable studio if you end up building it yourself.

The floor is a regular hexagon whose diameter equals the structure's height. There are 30 edges (struts): 18 long, 12 short. If the frame is 8 ft tall, the long struts are 62 inches and the short ones are 48 inches, which respects your maximum length restriction. This would give you a floor area of 41.6 sq. ft.

This structure should be quite strong as all 18 "faces" are identical isosceles triangles. It should also be fast and easy to erect, assuming you can obtain some flexible connectors (total of 13 of 3 types).

If you want further geometry details or a SketchUp model, let me know.

Good luck with the project.
- Gerry in Quebec

18-triangle-tent-frame-Brooke.jpg

Paul Kranz

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Sep 28, 2014, 8:54:46 PM9/28/14
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Brooke:

How are you doing on this?

I sent 105 icosahedrons to Haiti after their last disaster and wrapped them with billboard canvas. They were disassemble-able.

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Gerry in Quebec

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Sep 30, 2014, 8:14:38 PM9/30/14
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Hi Paul,
Was this related to the big earthquake? Please tell us more about your project & post some pix. Did you get local feedback from Haiti?
- Gerry

Brooke Beatty

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Oct 1, 2014, 6:48:02 AM10/1/14
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Wow, Gerry, thank you for the model!! Ha, Dick, I appreciate the suggestions! Paul, not only is that interesting, but it's also pretty cool of you to pass along to others. Thank you for taking the time to not only carry out the project but to also share the intriguing idea.

After much deliberation and several options explored and passed, I stumbled upon a company, (created by a photographer. Should have seen it coming!) who makes exactly what I need. An incredibly similar idea, actually, to what Dick had suggested the whole time with the inflatable go-dome: Ta-da!

Thank you guys for all of the help. I wouldn't have been tenacious enough on my own to keep working until I found a solution if it weren't for the accountability the Geodesic Help Group gifted me. 

I'll be sure and link the finished project, (in over eight months time from now) so you guys can see what you helped create). 




Paul Kranz

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Oct 8, 2014, 8:38:54 PM10/8/14
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Gerry:

I haven't forgotten about you. The pictures aren't where I though they are. I am still looking.

I have not received any feedback from Haiti. A team of six went down with the 100-plus dome kits and showed a local missionary group how they went up. So, I was pretty removed from the actual boots-on-the-ground.

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