Best way to get consistent angles with wood

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Johnny Bayles

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May 16, 2015, 10:23:47 AM5/16/15
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This is probably a question for a woodworker. I work with a lot of them and unfortunately haven't gotten the answer I'm looking for... 


I am planning to build a 3v Kruschke dome out of 1.5" x 1.5" kd spruce. I am using Taff's sketchup model for my axial and bevel cuts. Because this thing is going to be very small (2 1/2' tall, roughly) and because I'm very interested in trying my hand at the compound joinery (woodworker), I plan not to use and hubs. I will just wide crown staple them as I assemble. I won't be upset if the thing isn't immaculate, it's a learning project really. 

My question is: 
Anyone have experience in making all these compound cuts? I would not like to make 5 separate cuts for each of the 165 struts and I'm not interested in making 8 different jigs for the miter/table saw. Just looking for any and all advice on producing the compound cuts accurately and consistently. 

p.s. Super stoked I found this resource, cheers!

Johnny

Gerry in Quebec

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May 16, 2015, 4:55:15 PM5/16/15
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Hello Johnny,

 

I'm not a professional wood worker but have spent quite a few hours cutting compound angles for geodesic domes of various sizes, mostly on compound mitre saws, but also on a radial arm saw. Do you want to make triangular frames with butted joints (as opposed to mitred joints) for a panel dome? If so, you can cut all the pieces on most types of compound mitre saw since no angle, whether mitre or bevel, will exceed 45 degrees. For this type of work, a compound mitre saw is probably safer and faster than either a table saw or a radial arm saw.

 

-- If you're cutting struts for butted joints, play close attention to the consistency of your lumber dimensions. If one batch of wood is, say, 1/16th of an inch thinner than another batch, perhaps due to a longer drying period, some triangular frames may end up differing from their theoretically correct size and shape. This could result in an accumulation of errors and therefore gaps and stresses when you bolt your panels together.

 

 -- Make sure you have an accurate calculation of strut length reduction to accommodate the thickness of the lumber. The calculation for corner braces (between two struts, parallel to the third strut) differs from that for struts because the plane of the narrow face of the corner brace lies in the same plane as the triangle.

 

 -- If you are using 1.5" x 1.5" lumber, you have to be careful about the orientation of the lumber on the saw table. It's easier to keep track of things when the lumber stock has a narrow face and a wide face, as with 2 x 3, 2 x 4 or 2 x 6 lumber.

 

 -- For each type of strut and corner brace, make a master piece (a template) that can be used to measure all other pieces of that type. Mark it clearly so you so it's easy to find when you need it.

 

 -- Before starting the compound cuts, cross-cut your stock into lengths about an inch longer than their final lengths. This results in a bit more wasted lumber, but it ensures you are manipulating and cutting only short, light lengths of lumber on the saw. These are easier and safer to deal with than long, heavy pieces, especially when compound angles are involved.

 

 --  If the dome model you're building is only 30" tall, then even 1.5" x 1.5" lumber is quite "hefty". The large ratio of lumber thickness to strut length will make it difficult to bolt the frames together if there are even tiny errors in the angles and lengths you cut. The lower the ratio of lumber thickness to length, the more forgiving the components will be during assembly. If you want to use 1.5 x 1.5" lumber, it might be a good idea to double the diameter of your model.

 

-- I once built a 3 ft diameter 2v icosa dome model -- 40 triangular frames bolted together, made from commercial spruce kindling, 1.5" by 1/4". I glued and stapled the strut ends together to secure the three corners of each triangle. This didn't work very well because the staples ran parallel to the wood grain and the whole thing came apart after I accidentally knocked it onto the floor. (There were no corner braces in the frames.)

 

Good luck & let us know how you do with your model construction.

- Gerry in Quebec

Paul Kranz

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May 16, 2015, 10:12:17 PM5/16/15
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Johnny:

For me. it is all in the jig. You can look at a jig as a mold into which you place cut timber. You are looking for a quality fit. To build the jig, cut the ends of three 2X4s that are about two feel longer than the lengths that correspond to Taff's chord factors using Taff's axial angles to cut the ends. Align the like cut ends together and secure them with a loose-pin hinge. My favorite are Parker Metal's (http://www.parkermetalproducts.com/) 2.5-inch loose-pin hinges. They come in packs of two. Then, pull the pin and do the same to each end so that you form a triangle that is in the shape of the triangle you want to make. You will need one jig for every differently shaped triangle. Now block down the jig to fit your specifications. This is why you want your original jig to be bigger than the actual triangle you are trying to construct. Now cut your members to fit the jig. This is how you tell if your compound angles are cut correctly and they fit. If the triangle does not fit in the jig, it most certainly will not fit in the dome.

If you want to get a picture of this, try doing this with balsa wood. use a stick that looks like a miniature 2X4. You can get these at any craft shop. You can glue masking tape over the inside joints to replace the loose-pin hinge idea. You could also send the plans to GeodesicHelp so we can take a hack at them.

Since you are not using the hub-and-strut technique, you won't have to worry about the effect of the width of the hub on the chord factor of the side of the triangle.

This has the potential to be a lot of fun!

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May 17, 2015, 10:36:36 AM5/17/15
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Hi Johnny...I use too have the same problem...and lot of fear of so many cuts... Im doing some practizing (2mt diam dome)  cutting normal triangles(5cmx2.5cm wood)... then joining together  with  appropriate wdges, wich are easy to cut in the certain angle. I glue it to the side of the triangle and bolt triangles... it gives a big gap but surprisingly gets very strong join. 
Can send some pictures lately... good luck
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