Royal Enfield Revelation

[Alan Lloyd]

A really nice example on UK's eBay, I bet the final price is a lot more than the current $50ish? Alan Lloyd Schaumburg, Illinois, U.S.A. --- On Wed, 2/23/11, eBay Member: ad...@yahoo.com <mem...@ebay.com> wrote: From: eBay Member: ad...@yahoo.com <mem...@ebay.com> Subject: adl2k thought you might like this item on eBay To: ad...@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 8:06 AM An eBay member wants to show you this item This looks REALLY nice and the bidding hasn't got stupid - yet ... Royal Enfield REVELATION bicycle - collectable Current price: GBP 32.00 End time: Feb-23-11 11:56:33 PST Add to watch list | See similar items Check out this item Email reference id: [#5945d7111d4340da802afe34d03d9a91#] Please don't remove this number. eBay customer support may ask you for this number, if you should need assistance Learn More to protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails. This email sent through the eBay platform from a sender who thinks you are likely to be interested in this information. eBay takes no liability for sending this email or its content. You can report this message as unsolicited (spam/spoof) email. Copyright © 2010 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125.

[Graham Wilson]

Crikey, I'd no idea anyone even wanted these "shopper" style bikes. I frequent our nearby town of Diss to attend the excellent auctions there and frequently these bikes are passed-over by all the bidders. They tend to reappear at the subsequent sales until someone relents and gives a quid for it. Perhaps I should buy them and send them over!

Graham

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[Alan Lloyd]

I understand that the Royal Enfield Revelation is rather desirable ... http://www.hadland.me.uk/revelation/revelation.htm The Raleigh Twenty attracts good prices stateside, usually at least $200, as would it's siblings - or, no doubt, the likes of a Dawes Kingpin?

Alan Lloyd Schaumburg, Illinois, U.S.A.

--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> wrote:

[Peter Naiman]

Alan,   There are two currently available on eBay UK and one owner of the 1967 says if it doesn't sell he might throw it away. He is only asking 80GBP or about $130 on a buy it now sale. It's a pick up only I believe, but if a member purchases It I've friends in the UK who might be able to arrange shipping by DHL who seemsto have tne best shipping rates from the UK. Click onto the URLs below to see the the auction pages at eBay.   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-ROYAL-ENFIELD-REVELATION-BICYCLE-/120681909496?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item1c1933ccf8 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Royal-Enfield-REVELATION-bicycle-collectable-/270706157286?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item3f075826e6   Cheers, Peter ~~~~~ Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034   --- On Wed, 2/23/11, Alan Lloyd <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Ian and Mary Lindridge]

Yes, yes!  Put my name on one (preferably a nice one)……It’s English, anything English is collectible in the former colony. If they are common I would gladly send you money ahead of time so you’d not be out of pocket (or at least not much).

 

Ian Lindridge

 

One of the great advantages of travelling by bicycle is its relaxed pace. You move slow enough to appreciate the sights and soundss and smells of the countryside: the bright wing of a parrot flitting through the scrub, the whir of insects, the fragrance of the eucalypts. You are exposed to the wind, sun, and rain. You get the full measure of each mile.

          "Cold Beer and Crocodiles, a Bicycle Journey into Australia", by Roff Smith

 

From: gentlema...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gentlema...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:59 AM
To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] Royal Enfield Revelation

 

Crikey, I'd no idea anyone even wanted these "shopper" style bikes. I frequent our nearby town of Diss to attend the excellent auctions there and frequently these bikes are passed-over by all the bidders. They tend to reappear at the subsequent sales until someone relents and gives a quid for it. Perhaps I should buy them and send them over!

[Peter Naiman]

Ian,   I can't purchase one on behalf of someone else but if you purchase it I can contact a few friends in the UK for shipping. I'll put out feelers now to find someone in the UK and hopefully find someone willing. In the past I've had no issues. If the seller is willing to shipto someone in the UK then forward the bike to the US it's all the better.   Will let you know the results. \   Regards,

Peter ~~~~~ Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034

--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Ian and Mary Lindridge <lind...@infionline.net> wrote:

From: Ian and Mary Lindridge <lind...@infionline.net> Subject: [Gentleman Cyclist] RE: Royal Enfield Revelation To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

[Alan Lloyd]

My brother & sister still live in the south of England (Crawley, W. Sussex; near Gatwick airport) and I also have several more friends in the area. If a seller won't ship to the USA from the UK I can always ship stuff there and then come up with a plan to get the item stateside. But, as with the green Royal Enfield Revelation, if it is listed as UK shipping only they won't accept bids on it from outside the country - time, perhaps, for me to set up another identity residing in Blighty?

Alan Lloyd Schaumburg, Illinois, U.S.A.

PS: that bike is now at 175 quid with just under 20 minutes to go - making me happier, as I would never have gone that high - but the bike looks like it is worthy of such an elevated price, IMHO ... --- On Wed, 2/23/11, Peter Naiman <hetchi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Graham Wilson]

Well, this is a little premature, but seeing as "bits from Blighty" is on the agenda, I might as well mention it now...

I have become thoroughly enraged at how you chaps across the water are being royally shafted (if that isn't too un-gentlemanly a phrase) by UK-based sellers of what is, at the end of the day, very ordinary bicycles and parts. Fair enough if you pay some hundreds of pounds for some rare luxury sports model, but lets be honest, the Nottingham output wasn't 'all that'. Don't get me wrong, it's none the worse for that, but it's only worth what any mass-produced bike or bike part is worth. No point paying "through the nose".

To *try* to ease the burden on fellow gentleman's pockets, I am in the later throes of setting up an online shop for old bike bits with sensible prices, sensible shipping costs, and thoroughly reliable, flexible and friendly service.

I have a moderately ready supply of 'ordinary' English machines of no particular historical importance that shall happily strip for parts in order to help keep your English steeds awheel, though anything interesting or valuable shall be sold on as a complete machine (I refuse point-blank to strip quality/rare bikes for parts!)

Over the coming weeks, I shall start to stock the shop at www.oldbikeshit.co.uk, so feel free to create your shopping accounts now, but PLEASE don't buy anything there just yet. In fact, I shall disable the payment provider for now so that you can't!

I trust that you will find the facility agreeable, and that you will accept this isn't some venture to skim dollars from you chaps, but genuinely offered as a service to fellow bicyclists around the world.

Cheerio,

Graham

[Dr. Paul B. Williams]

Graham, you are a true gentleman sir! There has always been an issue of access to supply here as you can imagine. We are so often reliant upon the dealers (as well as those on t6he variosu vintage lists) who scour the UK buying bits and bobs from car-boot sales and rumbles - often for a nominal amount. Now I would imagine many of them put in a certain amount of mileage and time in crossing the country and are entitled to recompense. However, they know they have a captive audience overseas who can't access these events. I have heard the stories of some dealers - names withheld - who pick up vintage pieces for a few bob and sell them on for many many times what they paid. I tend to play more at the lightweight end of the hobby so realise that parts and quality framesets are going to be a little bit more dear and maybe outside what you are going to provide. Nevertheless, thanks for taking on such a venture.
 
Now if I can find the remaining bits and pieces - at a reasonable price - for a 1941/2 Joe Cooke Imperial Petrel I would be a very happy cyclist.
 
Cheers,
 
Paul.
 


Dr. Paul B. Williams, BAH, MPhil, PhD
Instructor,
Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies,
Carleton University, Ottawa, ON, Canada



 

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:23:46 +0000

Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] RE: Royal Enfield Revelation

From: gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk
To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

[Ric Greene]

That is a shame. I am always looking on the UK list for items. Seen a couple of Condors and Falcons in the past would have loved to purchase.

 

Almost considered purchasing a new Condor last year. Not sure if a US dealer.

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[Peter Naiman]

Graham,   Your offer is welcome and a breath of fresh air. I know personally of a few sellers on eBay who scour local jumbles in Britain, pick up parts few as you say a few bob and sell at high prices. Some take out tables at the swap, put out junk on there table just to get in before the public is let in at opening time. The scour the tables before opening to pick up all of the valuable items and post them to eBay.

Regards, Peter ~~~~~ Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034

--- On Wed, 2/23/11, Dr. Paul B. Williams <cast...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

[Graham Wilson]

Well, perhaps it's time to turn the tide. I can use their techniques without their pricing policy.

I am finding it a fine line between making a profit and the venture paying its way. No doubt a few errors shall be made along the way, but I'm sure you'll tell me when something is priced either too high or too low (I suspect the latter won't be an issue!)

For example, a Weinmann centre-pull caliper can be picked up once in a while for three or four quid, so pricing at 4.95 allows a little margin to cover the quick clean of the item and small repairs where required, web hosting monthly cost of 10 quid, PayPal fees and their card clearing fees, bubble wrap, poly mailing bag, printer labels, queuing at the Post Office and time spent. My investment so far has been some 200 quid on shop software (there's remarkably few out there that handle weight-based shipping with weight cut-off points, none at all that are free!) and five weeks of my time re-jigging, testing, breaking things and re-jigging all over again, etc.

To some extent this is an experiment. I will list ALL old bike parts that I obtain, much of which will be of no use to many of you. But at the same time, much of it hopefully will be. 1930s Sturmey hub gears will sit alongside 2005 derailleurs, no matter how uncomfortably!

I am also talking to very good bike shop about selling new hard-to-find "retro" parts on a commission basis. This may be odd-sized tyres and tubes, Brooks spare parts, that sort of thing.

I shall also remain open to suggestions where practical!

Cheerio,

Graham

[Mike and Benita]

I think what Graham is doing is great.  It is a little like our store in St. Paul.  We primarily give away bicycles, but we sell used parts, accessories, the occasional collector bicycle, and a few art items that we make from bike scrap in order to pay the rent.  We keep our prices low.  As long as we break even we are happy.

 

Anyone interested in selling stuff on consignment in our store is welcome to contact me.  Prices will be kept low and affordable.  I often tell the customers, "It's a store, not a museum."  We also will have some English 3-speed bicycles this spring.  Most are ladies' models.  If nothing else, buy one for a parts bike.  Anyway, all Nutters of the Realm are most welcome in our establishment, whether or not you buy anything.  Come to chat or whatever. Mike and I hope that someday Graham can visit the store.

 

Benita Warns

Member of Parliament

[Syke]

What Graham is proposing is definitely wonderful - and Benita's
efforts are definitely to be appreciated, also.

As someone who has done his own business in the past, supplying those
who's tastes are, shall we say, a bit different (English Civil War/
Early American Colonies re-enactors in the US), may I offer a bit of
advice?

Allow yourself a profit. A reasonable one. Keep it reasonable so one
does not lose sight of the reason the business was started in the
first place. Just the same, keep in mind that more than a few of your
fellow 'enthusiasts' (fortunately, none who frequent this place) can
be downright mean and skint bastards, expecting the world for nothing
and demanding you to bust your ass to supply them with something that
they will then complain loudly about the price you ask for it. A true
enthusiast doesn't mind the vendor making a quid or two from his
efforts, if only so said vendor would be able to purchase a decent
bottle of port with which to relax away the evening having had to
spend the day searching out some difficult to find Raleigh Twenty part
for one of those bastards who immediately complained to the point that
you wondered why you tried dealing with him in the first place.

And I'll probably be in touch with both of you in the future. Enough
gentlemanly vintage has been passing through my shop lately that I'm
going to have to start widening my list of suppliers.

Syke

[Graham Wilson]

Sound advice, Syke, thankyou. And Benita, that's date! I shall visit you and Mike at the store one of these days. I keep promising myself an extended holiday to America, it's been such a long time since I was last there.

Graham

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[Mike and Benita]

Come for the Tour!!!  If you can't make it here in May, come for ABCE in September!!! Either is a great time with folks who appreciate the finer, vintage things that life has to offer.

 

Since our store is part-time, please let us know in advance of your itinerary and we will do our best to accommodate your visit to our store, even if it means special hours.

 

Benita Warns

Member of Parliament

----- Original Message -----

From: Graham Wilson

To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

[James Poirson]

I may need personal transportation from Minneapolis/St. Paul to Redwing for the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour.
 
My bicycle (the new to me Raleigh Sports (now named the Harry Lewis Cohen after its former owner) and I would be scheduled to arrive at the Amtrak station in Minneapolis/St. Paul at 7:05 a.m. May 20th.  
 
Mike and  Benita have offered to carry Harry Lewis Cohen from Minneapolis/St. Paul to Redwing (no baggage terminal in Redwing). 
 
If I could get a ride from Minneapolis/St Paul the morning of May 21st to Redwing I could spend a most lovely day shopping for bicycle stuff in Minneapolis/St. Paul.
 
I could either get a ride back to Minneapolis, St. Paul or I could leave from Redwing and assume Harry Lewis Cohen has made it safely onto the train in Minneapolis (again, carted by Mike and Bonita).
 
Let me know if you can help with my personal cartage.
 
Thank you,
James Poirson, Spanaway, Washington

[Mike and Benita]

Once we have determined our logistics (where we will stay in Wabasha) and our departure time, we can let you know if you can ride along with us or not.  We just purchased a pickup truck that will hold 3 passengers, but we don't know yet if we will need to place a camper in Wabasha or stay with people.  We are working on getting someone to let us crash with them.  We used to have a standing reservation at Bridgewaters B+B, but they closed after last year's Tour.

 

I can come over to the station to pick you up so you are not stranded there and give you a lift to wherever you may wish to go in the local area.  One way or another, you won't be stranded.

 

Benita Warns

Member of Parliament

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[James Poirson]

You are delightful people!
 
My sister lives in Plymouth, Minnesota and she's offered to put me up for the night of the March 20th.  I think she'd be willing to pick me up at the train station, but she is reluctant to drive me to Red Wing.  I believe Jon has volunteered to carry me back to Minneapolis.  Maybe he's volunteered to carry me to Red Wing, too - my notes are sketchy on this option as it is so far into the future.
 
I'd been contemplating having you carry my bicycle from Minneapolis to Redwing and have myself carried to Red Wing, but I'd love to see what Minneapolis has in terms of vintage bicycles - sounds to be quite the center.
 
I have a cellular telephone.  My telephone number is 425/483-1583.  My daughter informs me I don't deserve it because it is too  high tech for my limited high tech capabilities.
 
James
 

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From: wa...@pclink.com
To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] Transportation from Minneapolis/St Paul to Redwing - Redeax
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:04:46 -0600

[James Poirson]

I'm thinking of doing both tours - Lake Pepin and ABCE now that I have Harry Lewis Cohen - a proper bicycle.  We'll see how the finances go for frivolous adventures of this nature.
 
Thank you for making me feel so welcome!

 
James
 

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From: wa...@pclink.com
To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] Re: Now: Graham's venture. Was: Royal Enfield Revelation

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:03 -0600

[Terrier Alaska]

Benita, what's the name and location of your store? I haven't been there and I've in Minneapolis,

Thanks,
Rob Riggins

[Mike and Benita]

Mr. Michael Recycles Bicycles

520 N. Prior Avenue

St. Paul, MN  55104

651-641-1037

www.mmrbstore.com

 

Check the Shop News page of the web site for current schedule.  In general, we are open on Tuesday and Thursday evenings between 7 PM and 9 PM, and Sunday afternoons from noon until 4 PM.  If a group of Nutters were interested, perhaps I could schedule a private visit, but it should wait until sufficient snow has melted to make it possible for us to round up the 3-speeds from their various locations and get them all to the store.

 

Wrongway is correct - these things considered frivolous by some are essential to enjoyment of the good life.

 

Benita Warns

Member of Parliament

----- Original Message -----

From: Terrier Alaska

To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:32 PM

Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] Now: Graham's venture. Was: Royal Enfield Revelation

Benita, what's the name and location of your store? I haven't been there and I've in Minneapolis,

Thanks,
Rob Riggins

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[Peter Jourdain]

The true turning point in a Gentleman Cyclist's life is when one realizes that such frivolities are in fact vitally essential, that they make the possible the beauty of it all. Rather like the Japanese tea ceremony. I believe you are well on the way.... Wrongway Whitewater, Wisconsin www.bicyclingbackwards.com "For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the scent of things....Why cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING" --- On Thu, 2/24/11, James Poirson <poir...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Graham Wilson]

Dearest Gentlefolk of the Realm,

I am pleased to announce that www.oldbikeshit.co.uk is now up and running. Well, maybe slowly dawdling, but you know what I mean.

Nothing massively interesting at this stage, but do feel free to let me know if there's anything you chaps across the pond find particularly difficult to obtain, and I shall do my utmost to find stock for you and more-sensible-than-fleabay prices. Please use the contact form to make such requests, selecting the "Please try to stock this stuff..." option from the drop-down box.

In the next week I have Bluemels Lightweight mudguards arriving, in a rather snazzy royal blue, various Sturmey hub parts, FG four speed dyno/gear hub, various triggers and some stainless steel roadster rims. I'll let you know when they arrive.

I'll add to www.oldbikeshit.co.uk over the next few evenings, but for now there's some useable brake calipers etc that may be of interest. Add yourself to the mailing list if you'd like a weekly update of coming attractions.

Cheers chaps,

Graham

[Peter Naiman]

Graham,   I'll be a fan of your website if for only one reason, the name. Truly original. Reminds me that at one time my eBay handle was Oldfartcyclist. And I'm totally serious.   Best regards,

Peter ~~~~~ Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> wrote:

[Peter Jourdain]

Greetings, Sir Graham,  Congratulations on your Grand Opening! The way your prices are scaled, I can't wait until you list a 1930s New Hudson tandem for 50 quid-----delivered. :-) I see various credit card icons on the home page but not a Paypal icon. Will you also be accepting Paypal?  Tally-Ho! Wrongway

www.bicyclingbackwards.com "For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the scent of things....Why cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] Now: Graham's venture. Was: Royal Enfield Revelation To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

[Graham Wilson]

Yes, PayPal will be the main payments processor, I just haven't got to the part of my "To Do" list that involves changing the little payment icons. I'll get to it now.......

Graham, with the long list!

[Peter Naiman]

Graham,   Good luck with the online shop. I'll be a customer eventually. Find me a Hetchins please !!   Cheers, Peter Naiman Milwaukee, WI   P.S. Cycling Backward or my dear friend Peter Jourdain has been eating too much Wisconsin Cheddar, that explains his habit of cycling backwards. Not sure if you understand our Wisconsin humor, but we're are referred to a Cheeseheads out here in Wisconsin.   CC: Peter Jourdain --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Peter Jourdain <pjou...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Graham Wilson]

Just the *one* Hetchins? Give a chap a challenge, won't you?! That's as easy as Mr Jourdain's New Hudson requirement ;-)

Enjoy your Cheese, Grommit!

Graham, that can be a bit cheesy too!

[Peter Naiman]

Graham,   My wife and I are big Grommit fans !!

Peter ~~~~~ Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034

[Peter Naiman]

I've posted the following message to a few cycling lists I'm a member of a few days ago and somehow missed our list. Apologies !! Message about the new vintage show is below. Hope to get good participation from listmembers on this list by bringing over some cool British bikes and show up in period duds.                                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   As I mentioned a few weeks ago plans are in the works for an all periods VINTAGE Cycle show out here in the Midwest, probably hosted in my city of Milwaukee. I've got a few local list members that have expressed interest in helping with a show. On Monday I'll be talking with a local cycle shop which may donate space to us for a very nominal fee. I'm hoping to get local participation from a few local shops that have small vintage collection, talking to the Wheelman about bringing in Antique highwheelers etc, a local club to host a ride the day of show, as well as Midwest frame builders showing some cool custom frames.   Again all of this is in the very early planning stages for a possible September show this year. I'm hoping to model the show after the Larz Anderson event I started in Brookline, Mass with a swap and full concors of cycles from all periods, but I'm sure the lightweights will dominate the event. More information coming soon.   Best regards,

[Gary Aslakson]

Well done, Graham.  I signed up and look forward to purchasing many bits and bobs.

The one part I always have trouble finding is front hub cones--they always seem to be pitted.

Gary

[Graham Wilson]

The Nottingham small axle type, or regular axle size?

[Gary Aslakson]

The ones for Raleigh Sports--small axle, usually spigoted cones.

[Graham Wilson]

I shall keep my eyes peeled. They're very hard to find, it's been more than 20 years since any were last made as you know, and those that do crop up have usually been removed for good reason.

I am working on finding a suitable skinny looking replacement front hub for Raleigh machines, but whilst there are a few suitable candidates, all are 36 spoke, which would upset the purists :-(

[Peter Jourdain]

Repros here: Ebay US Item number: 160556290360 http://cgi.ebay.com/Axle-Cones-Raleigh-bicycles-/160556290360?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2561e69138#ht_500wt_1156

Wrongway www.bicyclingbackwards.com "For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the scent of things....Why cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"

--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Gentleman Cyclist] Now: Graham's venture. Was: Royal Enfield Revelation To: gentlema...@googlegroups.com

[Peter Naiman]

Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034

--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Peter Jourdain <pjou...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Peter Naiman]

Soory folks, the last email was meant for Peter Jourdain, not the list. Sorry to take up the bandwidth.   Cheers, Peter ~~~~~

Peter Naiman Alias Hetchinspete Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034   --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Peter Jourdain <pjou...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Graham Wilson]

Dear Gentlefolk of this here list,

It is with regret that I shall be closing the door firmly on the Old Bikes Hit web site this week.

Alas it has become the target of clever criminally-minded sorts around the world who will buy stuff, then claim it was never received. Unsurprisingly, they all hail from the same geographic area, in this case a small part of Germany. PayPal have, of course, favoured their crimes, despite the briefest of Google searches on their email addresses revealing warnings, and the supply by me of 'certificate of Posting' evidence. I have attempted to alert their local law enforcement, but it is seen as low priority and I expect no favourable result.

To date PayPal has refunded them to the tune of GBP 273, money that I shall never see again. But worse still, ungentlemanly behaviour has resulted in complete cads getting bicycling treasure for free. That hurts ones sensibilities.

I shall off-load the remaining bits and bobs on Ebay UK, strictly with Registered Post. Alas, the costs of shipping to the United States by those methods makes it stupidly expensive.

My sincerest apologies to those that were seeking bits and pieces, I know you are decent, honest and upstanding citizens. I shall continue to try and source the things you have requested, but beyond that I cannot say for sure.

I remain open to suggestions of how we might overcome this problem. Perhaps I could compile a weekly list of bits and pieces, strictly for the consumption of Gentleman Cyclists. I don't know, it's just a suggestion. The last thing we need is for this list to become a shopping mall - it would spoil it, in my opinion.

With my greatest apologies to all the good people out there,

Graham, of the "wants to bring back hanging"

[Aaron Whaley]

Graham,
Sorry to hear that a few miscreants were able to cause so much mayhem.

Perhaps you could leave the site up with the listings and remove the shopping cart option. If a person wishes to purchase something they can email you. Then it is your choice whether to sell to them or not based on your research.

I personally have no problem with a list being posted. But that would be up to the STO.

I also wonder if there are any other safeguards that could be used to stop the scoundrels but still allow upstanding citizens to purchase items. There are thousands of small businesses the world over that seem to soldier on with no issues, I wonder what their secret is?

Check out Hillary Stone's website, I know he quit using Ebay due to issues with shipping and being locked out due to long shipping times to international sellers.

Aaron

Aaron

Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.

RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!

[Graham Wilson]

I think your reply holds the answer, a plain site listing all the parts coupled with a little research on the buyer. Hillary's site appears to be the route I should follow. I shall look at that as a serious option.

Thankyou, Aaron.

Graham

[Peter Jourdain]

Dear Graham--- Dear Gentleman Cyclist Graham--- What an outrage it is that has happened to you! It always seems the kindest, most gentlemanly souls are the ones taken advantage of. No doubt there are still a few pillaging Huns living in an enclave, riding DL1's instead of horses. Time to pull the old B-29 Superfortresses out of mothballs. I like Aaron's suggestions. If you visit Hilary Stone's website www.hilarystone.com (which I often do) or buy from him, he functions on a payment-up-front basis. You see something on his site, you e-mail him that you want it, he tells you if it's still available and what postage will be, you pay, he posts, you get, both are happy.  I'm all for anything which bypasses ebay. It used to be that the rules were fairly balanced there, but now they really are skewed toward the buyer-----and the "doity rats," as Jimmy Cagney would say, know how to game the system. If there is anything I or the other Gents can do to help, don't hesitate to let us know. Wishing you all the best! Wrongway

www.bicyclingbackwards.com "For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the scent of things....Why cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"

--- On Wed, 3/16/11, Aaron Whaley <2whls...@gmail.com> wrote:

[j...@gentlemancyclist.com]

Sir Graham,

Oh dear, this is a sad turn of events indeed. Feel free to post your list of bits to the group. Indeed, we don't want this to become a shopping mall but monthly or bi-monthly won't hurt.

I'm a bit worried about my own little parts-selling venture; was Paypal refunding because the ruffians had used your shopping cart? If I don't offer a cart, will the wind be always at my back?

STO

[Graham Wilson]

It seems that if they pay by Paypal, by cart or otherwise, they are 'protected' by Paypal. Their form thusfar has been to rise a complaint in Paypal's Resolutuion Center of 'non-delivery'. They then sit back, and after five or six days of not responding to any information entered by the seller of Paypal, they are refunded, no further questions asked and Paypal close the case. That then blocks you from disputing the outcome, despite their automated email to you stating that you can. You use the other methods to contact Paypal, and in return you get an automated reply telling you to use the Resolution Center. But you can't, because they closed the case. And so it goes, round and round in circles.

My conclusion is that a tracked and signed-for shipping method is the only way to start to protect yourself, at least so that a claim can in return be placed with the shipping company in the hope they genuinely lost the package. Of course, they probably have not, but Paypal's claim process works much faster than the shipping companies, and you end up with a package that was delivered and refunded, so you lose out. It is thoroughly unjust and made worse that you cannot reason with a Paypal computer system, and the merest mention that Paypal has aided a crime results in a closed account.

Utterly frustrating, all of it.

Graham, of the utterly frustrated!

[Rob Riggins]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:50 AM, Graham Wilson <gra...@grahamwilson.co.uk> wrote:

Dear Gentlefolk of this here list,

It is with regret that I shall be closing the door firmly on the Old Bikes Hit web site this week.

I'm sorry to hear about this. If you use ebay to sell items this can also happen. But there is some protection for the ebay seller if the seller follows the steps in the following link which describes how to somewhat safely issue an ebay refund:

http://reviews.ebay.com/The-Paypal-Refund-Scam_W0QQugidZ10000000012861649 

The scammers are ruining everything.

Best regards,

Rob Riggins

Minneapolis, MN

[James Poirson]

I'd be scheduled to arrive in Minneapolis/St. Paul at 7:05 a.m. May 20th.  Mike and  Benita have offered to carry my new-to-me 1974 Raleigh Sports (named the Harry Lewis Cohen after its former owner) from Minneapolis/St. Paul to Redwing.  If I could get a ride from Minneapolis/St Paul the morning of May 21st to Redwing, the start of the Lake Pepin 3-speed Tour, I could spend a most lovely day shopping for bicycle stuff in Minneapolis/St. Paul.