"PROPER ENGLISH 3 SPEED"

[Charlie]

At the chance of being cut from this list, I ask is a F - - - -  (made across the channel) made frame (with BRITISH REYNOLDS TUBING) allowed / or accepted ?  it will have a proper S-A 3 speed hub. Could be painted black or grey to hide the origin.

 

I have a frame that fits me better than the smaller 21" that are generally available.

 

Thanks for putting up with me.

 

 Charlie Petry 

[Bob Allen]

Charlie,

Having just perpetrated such an audacious outrage on this year's 3-Speed Tour, riding a boldly marked 1970's Peugeot frame made of good English 531, I can report that I was met with remarkable restraint by most riders, and even a few knowing nods, which is what you can expect when riding with real gentlemen and gentlewomen.  The fact that I need at 25" frame, which English 3-speed makers don't much bother with, seemed to allow me a bit of slack.  Now, I would not try such a trick at the ABCE, which, as the name implies, All British.  The Lake Pepin ride is a little more open minded.  Your gearing should be properly tucked inside a hub.  You should not wear Spandex.  You should be nice and tolerate a few interlopers with odd ideas about what constitutes a proper steed.  Other than that, just enjoy the ride.

Bob Allen

Middleton, Wisconsin

  

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[globalguy]

And I believe the Vicar prefers German steel from time to time?

gk

garth

After the plane went down,
the cars sat for weeks in long-term parking.

Then, one by one, they began to disappear
from among the cars of the living.

Wayne Miller from Post-Elegy

[gna]

The Entente Cordiale is over one hundred years old.  Ride on, I say. 
Jon's the final arbiter, though, and I don't think he's very pleased with French workmanship as of late.

[globalguy]

Need I say, "touché"?

gk

garth

After the plane went down,
the cars sat for weeks in long-term parking.

Then, one by one, they began to disappear
from among the cars of the living.

Wayne Miller from Post-Elegy

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[Dallas Blair]

Hey Charlie,

I'd not worry too much with that. Besides the Peugeot that Bob was riding, Matt (the Vicar) was riding a Panasonic with a Shimano Nexus-8 hub. Additionally, there was a tandem with a derailleur on the ride! Though I rode my Norman Rapide this year, my wife and I will probably be riding an English tandem next year with an IGH of some sort. :)

Speaking for myself, I'm glad to see you over here on the Gentleman Cyclist group!

Cheers,

Dallas

[Paulos, Richard G]

Excuse mon langage écorché , oui, our tandem has a derailleur, a 1930's french design at that. A Cyclo Tourist. Il est merde. We departed Red Wing with 4 functioning gears. As we were leaving Maiden Rock we were reduced to zero gears. A local resident (a Maiden Rocker?) provided some telephone wires that I was able to use to get 1 gear going for the rest of the day. We dared shift the front by stopping and moving the chain by hand in Nelson. A stop at the local service shop in Wabesha for some spares and I though we would get up to 3 gears for the return trip. Well that lasted 2 shifts so we rode the second day with just 1 gear. Fortunately the riding was as easy as the first day so we didn't need additional gears.

The tandem is the British classic, Jack Taylor. Jack, Norman and Ken Taylor are 3 brothers that started building bicycles of all sorts and trailers in 1936 and continued until 2001 when the last of the 3 retired. They produced an estimated 8,700 machines. Their works was in Stockton on Tees. They made racing and touring bicycles and tandems, children's bicycles, adult racing tricycles, adult tricycle tandems, triples and one quad. They built and sold one wheeled trailers many decades before the introduction of the Bob Yak. The Taylor's were proponents of brilliant colors and hand painted box lining while the rest of England was mired in black lacquer.

I had always assumed the French had invented derailleurs, after all the word is French. But while reading Tony Hadland's research on the subject I learned of many British devices patented and sold prior to 1900.

This particular tandem was featured with its original owners on the cover of the League of American Wheelmen magazine sometime in 1975 or 1976. I would really like to obtain the issue if anyone has it available.

We did get pre-approval from the STO to bring the tandem on the tour.

Rick
"Have a nice ride"

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[Troy A. Mayne]

Just updating the scoreboard. Assuming the Bob A.'s Peugot frame didn't fail, it seems that French components were 1 for 3 on this tour. Hmm.

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[Ron G]

Charlie,  Did you ever sell that wonderful 3 speed you had at the Cirque du Cyclisme a couple of years ago?  That would be a real hit at the 3 Speed Tour!

 

Ron Gurth

Carmel, IN

[charli...@verizon.net]

Yes sold it to a 3 speed guy. ~10-15 miles away. He has a demolition company and carrys a 3 speed on his truck to get around where the truck will not fit.

He said this will be the star of his collection.

 

see you at the cirque?

 

Charlie

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[Rick Paulos]

That Peugeot was made of English Reynolds 531 frame tubing and retro
fitted with a Sturmey Archer hub and it was built in a larger size
not often found in England. Curious that the Raleigh DL1 Tourist was
originally built with a 24" frame and the 28" wheels. You need to be
6 feet tall to ride that and the height requirement for police men or
postal workers was also 6 feet. So why are the rest of the Brits so
short? Thanks to Raleigh for making the Tourist in ladies and the
22" frame size for average size people.

I once owned a 1920s Hercules racing bicycle with single tube
tires. Sold long ago. It had the skinniest crank arms I've ever
seen, until Sunday. I'm not surprised Jon's delicate crank arm broke
now, what's amazing is it lasted so long. A bit of glue and it will
be ready for the Transport Museum where it belongs with Lambert bicycles.

Score -1 for the Yanks. I had a mounting hook failure on my USA made
saddle bags brought as a last minute substitute as we need more kit
carrying capacity.

Rick

At 10:13 AM 5/24/2012, you wrote:
>Just updating the scoreboard. Assuming the Bob A.'s Peugot frame
>didn't fail, it seems that French components were 1 for 3 on this tour. Hmm.
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