Cumberland Pacquet, 19 Aug 1777 - BMD

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Tuesday 19 Aug 1777   (p. 2, col. 4)

 

MARRIED

 

Sunday last at Cammerton church, near Workington, Capt. George BURREL of the Commerce, to Miss Molly HARRISON of Seaton.

[According to FamilySearch, George BURREL and Mary HARRISON married on 17 Aug 1777 at Camerton.]

 

Monday se'ennight at Carlisle, Mr. THOMPSON, dissenting minister in that City, to Miss ROBINSON of the same place.

[According to FamilySearch, George THOMPSON and Susannah ROBINSON married on 05 Aug 1777 at St. Mary, Carlisle.]

 

Last week, Mr. Jos. WARWICK of Holmegate, to Miss Betty STOCKDALE of Scotby.

[According to FamilySearch, Joseph WARWICK and Elizabeth STOCKDALE married on 11 Aug 1777 at Wetheral.]

 

DIED

 

Yesterday se'ennight, in Lowther-street, after a long illness, Mrs. FLETCHER, wife of Mr. Edward FLETCHER, merchant.

[According to the Copeland Registers Index, Faith FLETCHER, wife of Edward, was buried on 13 Aug 1777 at St. Nicholas, Whitehaven.]

 

Tuesday last in the 73d year of her age, Mrs. Ann MARSH of Workington.

[According to the Copeland Registers Index, Ann MARSH, widow, was buried on 13 Aug 1777 at Workington.]

 

 

[Suzanne Court-Oak]

Thanks for these Petra, I'm getting excited as 1777 was the year my 4x gt grandparent married in Penrith so 🤞🏼 they may appear in one of your transcriptions. All your work is very much appreciated!

Sue

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[petra.mi...@doctors.org.uk]

Thanks, Sue. The speed of my posting the BMDs from the Cumberland Pacquet is slow as it depends on Nev posting the transcriptions of the news first. I don’t want to get ahead of him.

 

Would you like me to take a sneak preview? I’d need the names of the parties though, and the date if you know it.

 

Petra

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What? Our beloved NEV is slow posting?

We need to get him a big bottle of Geritol.

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[Suzanne Court-Oak]

Hi Petra 

That’s a really kind offer thanks. 

It’s Richard Johnston who would have been a widower and Frances Sealby. They married 12 November 1777 in Penrith. I’m keen to know if there is any extra info on him as he’s very elusive  and I’ve still to find his birth after over 25 years of active searching ! 

Many thanks 

Sue 

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What? Our beloved NEV is slow posting?

We need to get him a big bottle of Geritol.

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[petra.mi...@doctors.org.uk]

Hi Sue,

 

I had a look at my transcriptions of the Cumberland Pacquet for November – December 1777 but I am afraid there is no mention of this couple. I also checked the Newcastle Courant but again no luck. Unfortunately there were not many newspapers around in the 1770s – nothing comes up for Lancaster in the way of newspapers in 1777.

 

I assume you have seen the marriage entry in the parish register or the published PR transcript? In case you haven’t, this is what it says in the transcript:

 

1777 Nov. 12   Richard JOHNSTON, widower, aged 40 & Frances SEALBY, spr. aged 32; both of this psh.

 

I couldn’t find a marriage licence bond for them either.

 

However, searching the burials backwards from November 1777 in the Penrith PR Transcript, I found the following:

 

1777 Feb. 23   Rachel wife of Richard JOHNSTON, Oastler, aged 34.

 

There wasn’t a single other JOHNSTON death back to 1770 inclusive.

 

According to FamilySearch, there was Marriage Notice (i.e. Banns) for Richard JOHNSTON & Rachel WILKINSEN called at Penrith on 11 Mar 1764 but there is no marriage in the PR Transcript, so she must have been from another parish and they married there.

 

In fact, according to the IGI, Richard JOHNSON & Rachel WILKINSON were married on 15 Mar 1764 at Barton, Westmorland.

 

I had a look at the Newcastle papers but they reported only very few BMD at that early period, and they did not mention this couple. There was no marriage licence either (obviously not, as they had banns called!).

 

The following is from FamilySearch: There were two children of Richard JOHNSTON baptised at Barton, Westmorland: Jane 21 Dec 1764, and William 28 Aug 1768. The mother of the children is not named.

 

They also had a child at Penrith – found on FamilySearch and then looked up in the PR Transcript:

 

1771 Feb. 24   Richard s. of Richard & Rachael JOHNSTON

 

So no further information to be gained from those baptisms.

 

Interestingly, I came across this baptism in Penrith:

 

1773 Oct. 20   John illegit. s. of Frances SELBY.

 

I hope there is at least a little bit of helpful information in the above!

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[Suz Cost]

Hi folks, 

I peruse the transcriptions, Sometimes I'm shocked, sometimes downright horrified, and sometimes left laughing. 

I've been inactive with the research I need to do on George Gordon Cummings; forced into early retirement by long covid. Then my mother-in-law died and there were all the legalities to sort out, and a lot of repair work on the house, which we now live in. And my eyes are giving out owing to cataracts. It's become very hard to read and working on my laptop requires poking my neck like an ostrch and twisting my head from side to side like a parrot. I'm having one lens replacement surgery tomorrow and the other on August 21. I'm hoping to be able to pick up the threads again; of course, I'll have to reread everything I've collected and study the family tree I put together!

I'm still very short on information about John Cummings, George's father. He was originally from Edinburgh, and was a common brewer and accountant. I've found no record of his death, which occurred before 1843 according to George's marriage certificate, which listed his father as Deceased. The archives in Carlisle have two boxes of material left by George's sister Susannah. If all goes well I hope to visit next year and plunder those boxes (virtually)!

Best wishes to all,

Suzanne Ubick

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[Suzanne Court-Oak]

Hi Petra

Thanks very much for your searching, I had found a marriage transcription, for Richard and Frances, so I think I now need to look at this original register. It fits as Richard after his marriage to Frances, worked as an ostler/hostler in Carlisle and his son James ( my 2x gt grandad ) was a coachman born in Hesket in 1780. The family moved to Carlisle shortly after. . So it seems working with horses ran in the family.

From what I can make out Rachel Wilkinson came from a quaker family from Tirrel, I have a Rachel Johnston, wife of Richard  mentioned in a quaker will; Rachel and Richard lived for a while in Yanwath. I wondered if they had married in a quaker ceremony but the Barton marriage makes sense as Yanwath is in  that parish. I wonder why they had the banns called in Penrith, I wonder if it was common to do this and then change your mind?

It makes you wonder if the son you found baptised to Frances Sealby in 1773 was a son of Richard's…..although she called him John. I think some digging in the Penrith parish chest documents could be my next step.

Thanks very much for your time and effort, it’s good to be able to bounce ideas around and get help back! Im not giving up on Richard yet!

All the best

Sue

On 4 Aug 2025, at 20:50, petra.mitchinson via GENEALOGY-CUMBRIA <genealogy-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Sue,

 

I had a look at my transcriptions of the Cumberland Pacquet for November – December 1777 but I am afraid there is no mention of this couple. I also checked the Newcastle Courant but again no luck. Unfortunately there were not manynewspapers around in the 1770s – nothing comes up for Lancaster in the way of newspapers in 1777.

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[petra.mi...@doctors.org.uk]

Oh, never ever give up! It took me about 35 years to work out the parentage of my husband’s 3x great grandfather, and then another 5 years to work out to which MITCHINSON family his mother belonged…

 

As regards banns: If the parties lived in different parishes, then the banns had to be called in both parishes. As far as I am aware, this is still the case today. If there is a Banns register surviving for Barton, I am sure you would find the banns called in that parish as well.

 

If Richard and Rachel had married in a Quaker ceremony, then no banns would have been called in the C of E church(es). The Quakers had their own hoops through which the couple had to jump. A non-Quaker as a marriage partner was not acceptable. Either the non-Quaker converted, or otherwise they had to marry in the C of E (and thereby the Quaker partner became “not in communion” with the Quaker congregation any more).

 

In 1773 Richard was still married to Rachel so it is unlikely (although not impossible) that he was the father of Frances SEALBY’s illegitimate child.

 

Good luck with this interesting family!

[Suzanne Court-Oak]

Thanks Petra

It suggests that as they married in C of E  that Rachel left the Quakers. Barton would be her home parish which therefore suggests Penrith as Richard’s. Onwards and upwards as they say!

ATB

Sue

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