Powers history

[Patrick]

Anybody know of families called Cooper or Powers in the Broughton,
Whitehaven or Seaton areas? My father (b 1898) was Thomas Powers who
came from Broughton/Whitehaven. His elder sister Sarah (Sally) Cooper
(b1895/6?) nee Powers (who married John Cooper and who ran a removals
business based in or near that village)lived in Lowca Lane, Seaton John
and Sally had one son Ian, ex Navy, and later also in the business) and
my father's younger brother (b 1900+?) John had a house in Whitehaven
and a daughter Dorothy. Ian must be 75+ now and Dorothy 70+ I would
think.

[SarahReveley]

>>My father (b 1898) was Thomas Powers who came from Broughton/Whitehaven

.....elder sister Sarah ....(b1895/6?)
.....younger brother (b 1900+?) John<<

Hi Patrick, I think I found them in 1901, but no John, and a stepson James,
another sister Mary!
They were from Workington. Is this the right family?

1901 England Census - Workington Cumberland
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship

Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Head
Sarah A Powers abt 1866 Rotherham, Yorkshire, EnglandWife
James Hy Palmer abt 1893 Workington, Cumberland, England Stepson
Sarah A Powers abt 1897 Workington, Cumberland, England Daughter
Thomas J Powers abt 1899 Workington, Cumberland, England Son
Mary E Powers abt 1900 Workington, Cumberland, England Daughter

[Patrick]

Wow. Yes I think these might well be the family in question.
Certainly there my father always said there was a Rotherham connection
too. I also think that it may well be Workington and not Whitehaven -
that could well be the case (I have the abbreviation W'n on a photo
here and may well have made a mistaken guess!). Also my father did have
a half brother so that fits well. So, only John is not there. Maybe he
was younger than I thought and born after 1901? Interesting about a
Mary though....
Thanks v much for that information.Most helpful...

Patrick

[SarahReveley]

>>my father always said there was a Rotherham connection<<

His mother was the connection, Sarah born in Rotherham in 1866.

I searched all Sarahs born in Rotherham, Yorkshire in 1866, came up with these:

England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983
NameYearQuarterRecord TypeDistrictCounty

ALLEN, Sarah1866JuneBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ARDRON, Sarah1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ASKIN, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
BALL, Sarah L1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
BARLOW, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
BEEVORS, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ELLIS, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ELMORE, Sarah1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
GEARS, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
HIRST, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherham
JACKSON, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherham

Do any of these names ring a bell?
We can search marriages next, but her first husband was Palmer.

Okay, here's what I found back to 1861:


1901 England Census -Workington Cumberland

NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, EnglandHead
Sarah A Powers abt 1866 Rotherham, Yorkshire, EnglandWife
James Hy Palmer abt 1893 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandStepson
Sarah A Powers abt 1897 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandDaughter
Thomas J Powers abt 1899 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandSon
Mary E Powers abt 1900 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandDaughter

***
1891 England Census -Workington Cumberland
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Powers, Thomas abt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, EnglandHead
Powers, Rebecca abt 1862 Antrim, Ireland Wife
Green, Jane abt 1857Antrim, IrelandSister-in-law
*****
1881 England Census -No 1 Court No 2 Bates St, Oldham, Lancashire, England
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Catherine Buckley abt 1827 Dublin, IrelandLodger
Elizth. Buckley abt 1860 Oldham, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
Jas. Buckley abt 1864 Oldham, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
Sarah Buckley abt 1858 Oldham, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
Susan Buckley abt 1868 Oldham, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
Wm. Buckley abt 1875 Oldham, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
John Hurley abt 1842 Oldham, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
John Lambert abt 1852 Rochdale, Lancashire, EnglandLodger
Mary Power abt 1812 Dublin, Ireland Head
Thos. Powers abt 1859 Chorley, Lancashire, England Lodger
(the census taker wrote "ditto" on birthplace, could have been wrong.
Lodger info often comes from somebody else.)
***
1871 England Census - Little Clifton Cumberland
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Robert Cannonabt 1840 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandHead
Jane Cannonabt 1838 Cockermouth, Cumberland, EnglandWife
Dinah Cannonabt 1867 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandDaughter
John James Cannonabt 1869 Workington, Cumberland, EnglandSon
Margaret A Cannonabt 1870 Little Clifton, Cumberland, EnglandDaughter
Dinah Powers abt 1800 Bedlington, Yorkshire, England Mother-in-law
***
1871 England Census - Little Clifton Cumberland (next door to Cannons)
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Hellen McGlasson abt 1832 Chester, Cheshire, England Wife
Isaac McGlasson abt 1832 Freld Side, Cumberland, England Head
Thomas Powersabt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Stepson
***
1861 England Census - Cockermouth Cumberland
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Dinah Powers abt 1799 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Head
Elinor Powers abt 1832 Chester, Cheshire, England Daughter
Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Grandson
****

1861 England Census - Cockermouth Cumberland (a few houses down)
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Elizabeth Marstonabt 1808 Loweswater, Cumberland, EnglandHead Cockermouth Cumberland
John Powersabt 1854 Cockermouth, Cumberland, EnglandBoarder Cockermouth Cumberland

 

Okay, pat myself on the back and get back to work.

[Patrick]

>Do any of these names ring a bell?
We can search marriages next, but her first husband was Palmer. <

None of the surnames rings a bell except Palmer. That I do seem to
remember as being the surname of the half brother of my father. My
father (b1898 Sept 10) had a middle name which he detested (it was
Isaac) though I only discovered this after his death - amazing! -
however it might have some relevance. Also - and this is my reason for
trying to find out more - my mother was always sure that there was some
illegitimacy or some such in the family because my father's sister
Sarah (Sally) Cooper (nee Powers) who lived in Seaton till the early
70s once started to talk of the family and then stopped and would say
no more! My father never talked of anyone but his mother and immediate
family even to my mother so I can only conclude that, as so often in
those days there was something to hide..! As a result we know
virtually nothing about my father's family. It would be nice to unearth
the truth. Hmmm, all these lodgers you found might be more than that!!
<g>
My father's family - maybe the mother's side? - had connexions in Yorks
(possibly Rotherham) and I can now confirm it was Workington where the
other brother John lived.

Thanks for all this. Most interesting
Patrick

[SarahReveley]

>> My father (b1898 Sept 10) had a middle name which he detested (it was Isaac) though I only discovered this after his death - amazing! - however it might have some relevance. <<

 

Isaac McGlasson was your grandfather's stepfather, so he may have chosen the name for his son.

1871 England Census - Little Clifton Cumberland (next door to Cannons)
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Hellen McGlasson abt 1832 Chester, Cheshire, England Wife
Isaac McGlasson abt 1832 Freld Side, Cumberland, England Head

Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Stepson

 

>>Also - and this is my reason for trying to find out more - my mother was always sure that there was some illegitimacy or some such in the family<<

 

Uhhmmm well there does seem to be a woodpile down in the 1861 census,

where it looks like Thomas is Elinor's son, and has her maiden name.

 

 

1861 England Census - Cockermouth Cumberland
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Dinah Powers abt 1799 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Head
Elinor Powers abt 1832 Chester, Cheshire, England Daughter

Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Grandson

***

John Powers abt 1854 Cockermouth, nd Boarder (another child of Elinor?)

 

In 1871, Thomas has moved to Clifton and is the stepson of the McGlassons, next door to Grandma.

1871 England Census - Little Clifton Cumberland (next door to Cannons)
NameEstimated Birth YearBirthplaceRelationship
Hellen McGlasson abt 1832 Chester, Cheshire, England Wife

Isaac McGlasson abt 1832 Freld Side, Head
Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Stepson

In 1881 he is a boarder at Mary Powers' along with all those Buckleys

Mary Power abt 1812 Dublin, Ireland Head

Thos. Powers abt 1859 Chorley, Lancashire, Lodger

(the census taker wrote "ditto" on birthplace, could have been wrong.
Lodger info often comes from somebody else.)

>>Hmmm, all these lodgers you found might be more than that!!<g> <<

Yup, you may be related to William F Buckley, that's a scandal.

>>My father's family - maybe the mother's side? - had connexions in Yorks (possibly Rotherham) <<

1901 England Census -Workington Cumberland

Thomas Powers abt 1857 Cockermouth, Cumberland, EnglandHead
Sarah A Powers abt 1866 Rotherham, Yorkshire, EnglandWife

So Thomas met Sarah on a visit to his grandma's maybe?

 

Now we have to find out which one she was.....

ALLEN, Sarah1866JuneBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ARDRON, Sarah1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ASKIN, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
BALL, Sarah L1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
BARLOW, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
BEEVORS, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ELLIS, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
ELMORE, Sarah1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
GEARS, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherhamDerbyshire
HIRST, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherham
JACKSON, Sarah A1866MarchBirthsRotherham

 

 

>>Thanks for all this.  Most interesting. Patrick<<

You are quite welcome. I suggest you find your grandfather's BMD certificates, his parents hold the key to the scandal.