Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila y Nuevo Leon

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John Inclan

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Feb 1, 2008, 1:59:14 PM2/1/08
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the Descendents of
Don Baltasar Castano de Sosa
 
Generation No. 1
1.
BALTASAR1 CASTANO-DE-SOSA1 was born Abt. 1537 in Portugal, and died Abt. 1595 in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. He married INEZ RODRIGUEZ-DE-MONTEMAYOR Abt. 1560 in Mazapil, Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of DIEGO DE HERNANDEZ-MONTEMAYOR and INES RODRIGUEZ. She was born Abt. 1549 in Portugal, and died in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.
Notes for B
ALTASAR CASTANO-DE-SOSA:
Baltazar Castano de Sosa. One of the founders of Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.
In 1582, he was the Alcalde of Saltillo.
Source:From the books, The History of Nuevo Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo and With All Arms, A Study of a Kindred Group, by Carl Laurence Duaine.
 
Marriage Notes for B
ALTASAR CASTANO-DE-SOSA and INEZ RODRIGUEZ-DE-MONTEMAYOR:
Source:Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon by Eugenio del Hoyo.
With All Arms, A Study of a Kindred Group, by Carl Laurence Duaine.
Children of B
ALTASAR CASTANO-DE-SOSA and INEZ RODRIGUEZ-DE-MONTEMAYOR are:
i. M
ARIA2 RODRIGUEZ-DE-SOSA, b. Abt. 1549, Tampico, Tamaulipas, Mexico; m. CAPTAIN JUAN NAVARRO II, Abt. 1574, Mexico City, D.F., Mexico; b. Abt. 1533, La Villa de San Martin, Nueva Vizcaya, Mexico; d. Abt. 1594, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.
Notes for C
APTAIN JUAN NAVARRO II:
In 1556, he was one of the orginal settlers of San Martin, Nueva Vizcaya, Durango, Mexico.
In 1577, he helped in the founding of Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. From the book, With All Arms by Carl Laurence Duaine.
Page 98.
ii. L
ORD CHIEF JUSTICE DIEGO RODRIGUEZ-DE-SOSA, b. Abt. 1557, Los Valles, Mexico; d. Jan 1626/27, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico; m. (1) NAME UNKNOWN; m. (2) SEBASTIANA DE FARIAS-Y-TREVINO-QUINTANILLA, Mexico City, D.F., Mexico; b. Abt. 1576, Mexico City, F.D., Mexico.
Notes for L
ORD CHIEF JUSTICE DIEGO RODRIGUEZ-DE-SOSA:
A.K.A. Diego Rodriguez de Montemayor.
Notes for S
EBASTIANA DE FARIAS-Y-TREVINO-QUINTANILLA:
A.K.A. Sebastiana de Trevino.
Marriage Notes for D
IEGO RODRIGUEZ-DE-SOSA and SEBASTIANA DE FARIAS-Y-TREVINO-QUINTANILLA:
Marriage source:Fundadores de Nueva Galicia - Guadalajara - Tomo I, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal.
Page 147.
Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo. Page 247.
iii. C
APTAIN LUCAS GARCIA-RODRIGUEZ, b. Abt. 1576, Nueva Galicia, Tampico, Mexico; d. Santa Catarina, Nuevo Leon, Mexico; m. JULIANA FARIAS-DE-QUINTANILLA, Abt. 1596, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico; b. Abt. 1578, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.
Marriage Notes for L
UCAS GARCIA-RODRIGUEZ and JULIANA FARIAS-DE-QUINTANILLA:
Marriage source:From the book, Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo. Page 247.
iv. C
APTAIN ALONSO RODRIGUEZ-DE-CARVAJAL, b. 1600, Mexico City, D. F., Mexico; m. LUISA VILLARREAL-DE-LAS-CASAS, Abt. 1650, Nuevo Leon, Mexico; b. 1630.
Notes for L
UISA VILLARREAL-DE-LAS-CASAS:
A.K.A. Luisa de las Casas.
 
 
Endnotes
1. Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo Mexico, Coahuila, y Nuevo Leon, Saltillo Tomo II, by Guillermo Garmendia Leal, Page 78..


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Alejandro Gómez

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Feb 1, 2008, 2:12:26 PM2/1/08
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Alonso Rodriguez de Carvajal was certainly NOT the son of Baltasar de
Sosa. Ines Rodriguez would have been 60+ years old when he was born,
which is quite improbable.
I think they did have a son named Alonso Rodriguez, but I don't know
where you or Garmendia took that information from, which is obviously
incorrect. Dates just don't match.

By the way, there is also no proof that Lucas Garcia was born in
Tampico. He always stated he was "Portuguese", either the son of
Portuguese parents or actually born in Portugal. We don't know.




Micheal Lozano

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Feb 1, 2008, 5:25:54 PM2/1/08
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Hi John and Alejandro,
 
I appreciate both of you and your efforts for accurate information.  I read at the Portuguese special library in New Bedford ma. about Gaspar Castano De Sosa. The card file read that he was the first Jew to enter Texas and also became Governor of Nuevo Leon and in 1590 led an expedition throuth the southwestern corner of Texas enroute to conquer the puebolos of New Mexico.  He was later tried for organizing an illegal expedition, although his trail was actually prompted by the spanish inquisition. De Sosa was exiled to the Philipines Islands.  He was killed during an uprising of chinese slaves on the boat that held him prisoner, enroute to the Philipines. Do you know if any of this is accurate information?
 
Also of interest - what is the connection between Lope de Sosa and Baltazar and Castano.
 
Thanks for your great work in genealogy.
 
Saludos,
 
Mike Lozano


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the Descendents of
Don Baltasar Castano de Sosa
 
Generation No. 1
1.
BALTASAR1 CASTANO-DE-SOSA1 was born Abt. 1537 in Portugal, and died Abt. 1595 in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. He married INEZ RODRIGUEZ-DE-MONTEMAYOR Abt. 1560 in Mazapil, Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of DIEGO DE HERNANDEZ-MONTEMAYOR and INES RODRIGUEZ. She was born Abt. 1549 in Portugal, and died in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.
Notes for BALTASAR CASTANO-DE-SOSA:
Baltazar Castano de Sosa. One of the founders of Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.
In 1582, he was the Alcalde of Saltillo.
Source:From the books, The History of Nuevo Leon, by Eugenio del Hoyo and With All Arms, A Study of a Kindred Group, by Carl Laurence Duaine.
 
Marriage Notes for BALTASAR CASTANO-DE-SOSA and INEZ RODRIGUEZ-DE-MONTEMAYOR:
Source:Historia del Nuevo Reino de Leon by Eugenio del Hoyo.
With All Arms, A Study of a Kindred Group, by Carl Laurence Duaine.
Children of BALTASAR CASTANO-DE-SOSA and INEZ RODRIGUEZ-DE-MONTEMAYOR are:
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Alejandro Gómez

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Feb 1, 2008, 5:55:41 PM2/1/08
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Mike,

I have no information about any blood connection between Lope de Sosa
and Baltasar de Sosa. However, I suspect that Baltasar could have been
a brother of Gaspar Castaño de Sosa. Some time ago somebody told me (I
don't remember who) that it was common to name their children after
the Reyes Magos (Melchor, Gaspar and Baltasar) so maybe they were from
the same family. I am really interested on Baltasar de Sosa, since my
mother's line (Garcia) comes directly from him.

Alejandro

antonio rangel

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Feb 1, 2008, 9:46:28 PM2/1/08
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Hello everybody,
 
In the following link (from the Eugenio Hoyos' book, page 75), it was written that Baltazar de Sosa was married to Ines Rodriguez (both portuguese) and that they were the parents of Lucas Garcia, Diego Rodriguez and Alonso Rodriguez. Of course, this does not mean that this Alonso would be the same Alonso you were talking about.

http://www.library.ci.corpus-christi.tx.us/newkingdom/reinochapter4p75.htm
 
Therefore, both, Baltasar and Gaspar were portugueses; however, I am not sure if Ines Rodriguez and Diego de Montemayor could be portugueses too. I am more keen on the idea that they were from Malaga, but perhaps they were both things at the same time and the two arguments are partially true, I mean spainards with portuguese roots or conversely. We have already discussed such fact before, the case of people being considered from more than one place at the same time; ie, was Gardel French or Argentinian? was Hitler German or Austrian? Lavolpe is Mexican or Argentinian? or were both?
 
Additionally, I do not remember where I had read that Baltasar de Sosa granted his brother Gaspar Castano de Sosa with a piece of land in Saltillo, not sure if it was in Silvia Duron's book. But I am sure that there are some sources that they treat them as brothers, let me check. What is sure it is that Baltasar de Sosa stayed in Saltillo until his death.
 
The interesting thing is that when Diego de Montemayor fled away from Saltillo and founded Monterrey, he was followed almost only by his relatives and some close friends (12 men), and if Ines Rodriguez were his daughter, it would be expected that she would have followed his father; she did not do that, as well as his husband Baltasar Sosa, as both had already passed away, but their children did so, namely, Lucas Garcia and Diego Rodriguez. Also it is a big coincidence the fact that, after Diego de Montemayor the younger had passed away, the leadeship of the settlement was taken by Diego Rodriguez, isn't it? I mean, there were elder persons among the first settlers of Monterrey, but if we consider Diego Rodriguez and Lucas Garcia as Montemayor's granchildren, after Diego de Montemayor the younger, they were the next ones in the sucession line.
 
Conversely, I hadn't found yet anything that could lead us think that Baltasar and Gaspar Castano de Sosa possibly were Lope Sosa's siblings or at least relatives.
 
 
Kind regards,
 
 
 
 
Antonio
 
 


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Micheal Lozano

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Feb 6, 2008, 3:36:00 PM2/6/08
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Hi Alejandro,
 
I found this info about Baltazar de Sosa in the book "With all Arms" by Laurence Duaine.  He was born in Mexico, abt. 1537.  He lived in Jamaica and Mexico City, and Tampico before coming to Saltillo in 1537. He was the Alcalde of Saltillo until he died in 1595. He married Ines Rodriquez and his children were Alonso, Rodriguez, Diego Rodriguez, and Lucas Garcia. They were New Christians or Sephardic Jews. Baltazar was a ranking officer with Governor Luis Carvajal at Saltillo. Lucas Garcia was born about 1570,  He married Juliana de Quintanilla. Lucas went with Diego Montemayor to found Monterrey in 1596. He held the rank of captain. He was valued for his mastery of the local Indian languages and for his skill as a negoiator with the Indians. Neither Baltazar or his brothers were inclined to ally themselves with their Jewish heritage, as all three elected to use their maternal names. The family name Garcia - Quintinilla are all presumably today his descendants.
 
Saludos,
Mike Lozano  

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Alejandro Gómez

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Feb 6, 2008, 4:58:42 PM2/6/08
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Hi Mike,

Thank you for posting this interesting information about Baltazar de
Sosa. I did not know that he lived in Jamaica before he arrived in
Mexico. I doubt he was born in Mexico, he most probably was from
Portugal as his son later stated.
My mother is a direct descendant of Captain Lucas Garcia by the male
line and the surname was used in different ways such as Garcia de
Quintanilla, Garcia de Sosa, Garcia Guerra and finally Garcia.
However, we will probably never know where the Garcia comes from and
why Lucas decided to use it instead of Rodriguez or Sosa. Maybe the
Sosa surname was closely related to other Jewish families or he had a
prominent Garcia ancestor. Or he simply liked it more. Who knows.

Regards,
Alejandro

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