What are our aims?

[Roger Nelson]

Michael,

Eventually, and probably quite soon, I will write a bit more on what I
envision, but I thought it would be good to let the gcpwork list/forum
develop freely for a time. I have a pretty small set of desiderata and
it seems a good idea to leave room, great spacious rooms in fact, for
other people to present their own visions for us all to consider.

That said, it is fair to say I should put my own "future vision" out for
others to reflect on, embellish, argue about, and maybe even take as a
motivation to go to work.

I am interested in the suggestions you are making -- SalesForce and
social media campaigns. There is a caveat or a "fly in the ointment"
however, that a successful campaign will require attention to the
practical question: who responds to the newly built following? That
isn't within my capacities because I am already "full time" so to speak.
We will need a team prepared to manage and capitalize on new interests
generated by our efforts.

Roger

On 7/18/2012 2:45 PM, Michael Vignapiano wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I was wondering, what is your future vision for the GCP? I think
knowing where the program hopes to go will be a great way to give some
focus and direction to the forum you've created.
>
> I have recent experience with integrating information in SalesForce
(not typically used for scientific data but could be a good way to
organize results for free) as well as creating social media campaigns,
which are a great way to build a following of supporters while keeping
them informed on any progress with the subject. Knowing where you hope
to see the GCP in the upcoming years would be a great way to figure
out if any of these tools can be used to help. Feel free to CC gcpwork
if you think they would benefit from any of these answers.
>
> All the best,
> Michael Vignapiano
>
> On Jul 15, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Roger Nelson (Google Groups)"wrote:
>
>> Roger Nelson rdnel...@gmail.com has added you to the gcpwork
group with this message:
>>
>> You have expressed an interest in helping the GCP ...

[notwalker1]

I was thinking the right social media campaign could become a self
evolving entity with little need of a central response.

[Ed Acker]

Does the group think there would be any value in sketching out a conceptual framework that defines the scope of our investigations?

Ed

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[Roger]

That sounds right. It would be most desirable to design for self-evolving activity. I don't know how best to do that, but perhaps the first step is simply to take a step -- that will lead to the next one and feedback will determine direction.

[Roger]

I'd say go for it. Who wants to start sketching?

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[Roger]

See the new thread on "mission".

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[chielreemer]

Hi all,

Creating some attention through social media is probably something that can be done easily. And just like Roger said, I also think taking one unplanned step at a time is the most practical at this point.

There is a Facebook page named Global Consciousness Project. Is that 'official'? If yes, who is the administrator? Would be nice if some more people could post on this account's behalf, so those who like can share the 'load'. I, for one, would like to post relevant stuff and I am sure we can attract a lot of 'likes'.

What we can do with this extra attention and what it would lead to, is beyond my horizon and that is why I think it would be fun to do.

Who's with me?
Those who aren't: start sketching! ;)

Chiel

[Roger Nelson]

Hi Chiel,

I am the administrator and the Global Consciousness Project FB page is
official as it gets. I have a personal page too, and I keep them largely
separate -- that is, I post things that are directly relevant to GCP on
that page, and I don't use if for my personal political and social agendas.

Tell me more about what it would be like if more people could post on
the GCP account's behalf. What is required to enable that?

Roger

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[Rocco]

Facebook is a social network of preexisting friends.  Once a person is listed as a friend than a post is possible.  The friend request must be accepted by the person you are attempting to include.  The person can accept or reject.  However, Facebook frowns on requesting a friendship link with people you do not actually know.  If a complaint is made to Facebook about such a practice you can be banned from Facebook.

The alternative is to use Google + which is actually linking to people you do not know.  They cannot post on your page but anyone is free to comment depending on how you make the post (Public, Friends etc).

[David Williamson]

Facebook... I fear could be a distraction to more serious efforts.  You know, there is arguably nothing to "like" or not, like here.  Does mass consciousness affect measurements of the physical  world?  If so, what are the theories why?
David Williamson

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[Chiel Reemer]

Hi,

This is correct, but incomplete.
What Rocco describes is how a person's page works. The GCP's page is a community page however. These are moderated pages, like company pages. Other moderators/administrators can be invited somewhere in the settings for the page.

Very important: Anybody can 'like' a community or company page. You will not be banned for liking a community or company you never met ;)

Google+ is also a possibility and should not be excluded. So anyone comfortable with Google+ should (imo) feel free to launch the GCP there.

So, Roger, you should be able to find how to invite other administrator somewhere in the settings for the GCP community page. If this proves difficult, let me know and I will provide a more how-to.

Chiel

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[Chiel Reemer]

@David:

To me creating more awareness about the GCP and what it deals with is very important and I would like to occupy myself with this. Feel free to dive into the more theoretical issues, they are of course very fundamental. It is and/and, not or/or. No need to exclude.

Chiel

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     If you build it. They will come...
     Some folks just need more signs to find their way.

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[notwalker1]

I agree.  Can consciousness have any benefits without awareness?

[Audra Heye]

Chiel is right about the differences between a personal Facebook page and a community page. Dependant on the permissions set, general public may or may not post on the page, however it is only posts made by administrators that will make it into the newsfeeds of any page 'likers'. On other sites of similar nature its interesting to note that the community provides interesting links that can be re-shared by administrators. The best received posts are generally those which are accompanied by images. 

Facebook has now allowed for tiered administration roles so that others may be given access to control various posting and management tasks.

With more than 30 likes Facebook provides 'insights' into how far the posts are 'reaching'. So Roger, in the current admin page you should see notes of this nature, though there are not enough posts there yet to get a good view into it.

In general business Facebook has become a necessary evil, and its surprising how people will and do interact with it. Its definitely worth looking at if the aim is to increase project awareness. With anything web related though, content is key.

Audra

[rdnelson]

The GCP page does have lots of likes overall, more than 1000 when I looked just now. But maybe what is important is some smaller time unit, or an average likes per month or something. In any case I do get some graphical displays, I guess they are "insights" but without quantification. The bumps when I post something are very noticeable. I have (I believe) added two people as "content creators" and if they have time to post something that should make the insight graph bump. More experiments. It is good to have more social presence, and I'm happy to see people interested in working on it. There is always a competing need for me to be managing all the other things, so I mainly use the FB page for GCP as a place for announcements -- like the occasional update. It will be nice to have such things a bit more frequently.

Roger

[chielreemer]

Since the subject of this thread is "What are our aims?" I figured this would be the place to ask: is it still an aim to get more nodes in the network? If yes, I think more in Asia, Africa and Australasia? Through Facebook (and other social media) we can start a campaign to look for interested people.

Good idea? What do I need to know to start recuiting? Specifics about the work and equipment needed?
Chiel

[David Williamson]

Repeatability.

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[Roger]

It would be nice in some ways to have a bigger network, but there is a logistical limit which we are near. So although I am open to setting up new eggs in places where we have no coverage, like most of Africa, Siberia, and China's interior, that's about it for the time being. It is my experience that the only people who turn out to be reliable egg hosts are pure volunteers, people who find the project and ask to help. So, if there were a campaign like you suggest, it would have to be designed to find "pure volunteers" as mentioned. There are also some technical matters. At this time (because suppliers of the RNGs we have been using have gone out of business) we can only use USB connected devices. And we have software only for Linux to read the data from USB devices. Then there is usually some difficulty getting the data flowing (routers and firewalls have to be programmed to allow UDP packets on particular ports) so the Egg host has to have technical savvy or a good buddy who does. Finally, we need long term commitment, a minimum of two years, plus a reasonably reliable infrastructure of electrical power and Internet.

All this sounds perhaps discouraging, but it is just the factual situation. So all that said, perhaps it would be possible to find some just-right hosting sites. It would take some effort. But if something turns up in Kenya, or Rngoon, or Bangalore (where there is another species of problem) I would be delighted.

-- Roger 

[acerie]

Hello All, 

It has been a while since we have had any activity in this group, and I see that there are many members. 

The format of Google Groups forum can be a bit difficult to navigate to extract useful content so that we can advance in this Work Group. 

I suggest that we set up a time to have a group Skype call for all that are interested in working on this project or even just to audit passively. This way we can discuss what our goals are as well as how our talents can be applied to the "mission". As well, it can help us to define a structure for virtual communication that will be effective for producing real work. 

Does this sound reasonable and possible to you?

I am enthusiastic about proceeding and look forward to your responses. 

Kind regards, 

Alix (sounds like Aleeks)

[Roger Nelson]

Hi Alix,

I can probably do that. Best times for me are early morning. The way to proceed is to set a couple of possible times and then agree on one. Open to suggestions.

Roger

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[ACErie]

Hi Roger, 

Best time for me is normally around 10 am Central Time, which is early morning on the Pacific coast, but if you are at Princeton that is a bit later. If that is not a possibility, I can arrange to do whatever time is best for you Thursdays to Sundays.

If you name the time and date, I will be there. (Just not this coming Monday). 

My Skype name is a_erie, by the way. 

Thanks, 

Alix 

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[Ron]

Roger,

I can do between 11:30 and 1 (Mountain Time) Tuesdays and Thursdays, or

afternoons Wednesday and Friday, or

any time on Mondays.

Ron

[Roger Nelson]

If I understand correctly, Friday next would work. I am east coast, and your 10 am is 11 for me, and that will be fine. I will put in my calendar to await a Skype call from you at 11:00, Friday, Feb 5. My skype handle is rogerdnelson . Best to send a reminder email that morning.

Roger

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[Roger Nelson]

I just wrote to Alix accepting his time of 10 central, 11 eastern on Friday Feb 5th. I hope you can make that. If you all agree on a different time, like 2 pm eastern time Feb 5th, I could do that also.

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[Kenneth Meyerson]

Hello Roger,

I can participate during normal business hours (Mountain time). I look forward to participating.

Best,

Ken Meyerson

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[ACErie]

OK! That works for me. I will put it on my calendar for 10 am CT on Friday Feb. 5. (If there are conflicts, as Roger says we can try a different time.) I will also send a reminder email (probably the night before, rather than the morning of). 

Thanks, 

Alix

P.S. - By the way, I am female! (Roger said “his” with respect to me in the last message.) 

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[Roger Nelson]

Sorry about that Alix! All's well, and now I have learned something new.

It sounds like several people are interested in joining in. I hope you
are planning to set the calls in motion. I am not much familiar with
Skype, except for individual calls.

Roger

On 01/31/2016 04:06 PM, ACErie wrote:
> OK! That works for me. I will put it on my calendar for 10 am CT on
> Friday Feb. 5. (If there are conflicts, as Roger says we can try a
> different time.) I will also send a reminder email (probably the night
> before, rather than the morning of).
>
> Thanks,
> Alix
>
> P.S. - By the way, I am female! (Roger said “his” with respect to me in
> the last message.)
>
>
>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Roger Nelson <rdnel...@gmail.com

>> <mailto:rdnel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I just wrote to Alix accepting his time of 10 central, 11 eastern on
>> Friday Feb 5th. I hope you can make that. If you all agree on a
>> different time, like 2 pm eastern time Feb 5th, I could do that also.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On 01/30/2016 06:12 PM, Ron wrote:
>>> Roger,
>>> I can do between 11:30 and 1 (Mountain Time) Tuesdays and Thursdays, or
>>>
>>> afternoons Wednesday and Friday, or
>>>
>>> any time on Mondays.
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[ACErie]

Hi All ( & Roger), 

We have set a time for this Friday Feb 5th, 10 central, 11 eastern on Skype. 

Anyone interested in joining the call, please add me on Skype and mention GCP. My Skype handle is a_erie (email address is associated is alix...@outlook.com). 

The way that I think it is appropriate for this to take place is that we do:

1) some brief introductions of everyone on the call, including

• name, location
• interest in GCP
• if desired, can mention profession and/or hobbies, especially in relation to the perceived mission/values of GCP
• anything else of relevance not mentioned here

2) then we let Roger more or less take the floor to present a little bit of history about the GCP, its core mission, and get us up to speed about the most important current needs of the project. Roger, if you have a powerpoint, keynote, website or other presentation that can help you along these lines it will certainly facilitate an environment conducive to effective communication, although it is certainly your choice, and only a suggestion. We can use Skype's screensharing feature so that anyone on our call will be able to see what you are seeing on your own screen. 

3) then we can open the floor for questions and discussion

4) we set a time to meet again to discuss further actions. 

I see this call as serving as an ice-breaker more than a time to take decisions and to assign tasks, though if this happens organically, then thats wonderful! If tasks are not assigned, then we can have some time before the next convening to digest our interaction and to come back with how we each feel we can be useful. And, I firmly believe that being a passive spectator is considered as active participation, so if anyone on the call does not feel that they are ready to contribute or doesn't know how to contribute at the moment, then by staying on and auditing the process, ideas may just pop up spontaneously. 

OK! 

That is my proposal, and it is certainly not set in stone. If anyone would like to see something else added to the agenda then please let us know, and we can make sure that it is a part of our discussion. 

Also, as calls like this can go on for hours without some kind of guideline, I would like to set a soft limit of an hour for this first call. If we go slightly over or under, for me, that is ok. If anyone needs or wants to leave before the ending of this call, then that is fine as well. Please just let us know of your time constraints so that we will not miss you when we no longer hear your voice! :-) Soooo... lets just keep this general window in mind when making our introductions, presentations, asking questions, and making discussions.

Alright, if there is anything I have forgotten, I will write again. And if you notice it before me, go ahead and shout it out!

Thanks!

Looking forward to meeting you all! 

Alix

P.S. - So far, I see that we are 4: Me, Roger, Ken, and Ron. Is there anyone that I am missing so we can be on the lookout for you?

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[ACErie]

Hello everyone, 

As discussed in the email thread below, we are scheduled to meet at 10 am Central Time, 11 am Eastern tomorrow morning to discuss the aims of the GCP Work Group. 

If you would like to join this call please add me on Skype and mention GCP. My Skype handle is a_erie (email address is associated is alix...@outlook.com). 

Hope to see you there. 

Best, 

Alix

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[ACErie]

Hi All, 

Just a reminder that our Skype call will begin in 5 minutes. Please add me a_erie on Skype. 

See you there,

ALIX