Books XIV and XIX

[Mrs. Lebo]

September 8

[jordan n.]

in book 14 it was a shorter chapter with not as much info. it talked
about Odysseus and Eumaeus are talking and have a meal together. i
dont really get what is going on and y does he praise his old master
and scorn his new one, and why does Odysseus lie to him about where he
lives.
in book 19, Odysseus and Telemachus are together and cut arms off of
the suitors i think, at least that is what i got out of it and then
Odysseus goes and talks to his wife who doesn't know that is it her
husband. she questions him for a while and then washes his feet and
sees a scare her husband has and finds out it is her husband and she
was excited. then she talks about a dream and Odysseus explains it to
her and then she tells him she is going to marry someone else. it will
be the first man to shoot an arrow through a hole surrounded by axes.

On Sep 2, 10:54 am, "Mrs. Lebo" <al...@spartanpride.net> wrote:
> September 8

[bpaterni]

In book 14 Odysseus is back at his home island of Ithaca and disguises
himself as a warrior who fought with Odysseus in Troy. He stumbles
upon Eumaeus, who is one of his servants. Eumaeus offers O. food and a
place to sleep for the night, and while they are talking, O. attempts
to plant rumors of Odysseus' return, but Eumaeus refuses to believe
him because he has seen so many other vegabonds and beggars do the
same in return for food, clothes, and money.

In book 19 Odysseus and Telemachus gather all of O's weapons in order
to prepare for revenge on the suiters. T. is the only one on Ithaca so
far that knows of Odysseus' true identity. Odysseus, disguised as one
of Odysseus' friends, then goes to his wife, Penelope, and informs her
that Odysseus will soon arrive on Ithaca with many treasures. Penelope
is pleased with this news and wants O. to be her honored guest and
offers to have one of her servants wash O's feet. Odysseus selects
Eurycleia, who is the oldest of the servants, to wash his feet. She
notices the scar on O's leg and realizes that the old warrior is
actually Odysseus. Odysseus warns her to keep this information to
herself. Shortly after O. is done being bathed, Penelope comes along
and tells Odysseus of a dream she's had and that she will soon be
holding an archery contest of which the winner will marry Penelope.
Odysseus (still in disguise) tells Penelope not to worry because
Odysseus will return long before the suiters have crafted their bows.

[Brittany]

Book 14: Odyssues returns to Ithaca and disguises himself as a warrior
who fought in war at Troy. He talks to his loyal swineherd Eumaeus
and finds out who has been loyal to him while he was gone and who he
can trust. He acts as a beggar and goes into his house for a feast.
He gets treated bad by the suiters as his house.

Book 19: Why would Odysseus tell Telemachus his true identity first
when he had never even met him before?

[Janae Nibbelink]

In book 14 Odysseus sits and talks with his head sheep herder as a
disguised old man and tells him that Odysseus will return.
Book 19 Odysseus and his son put away all the weapons in the house and
peolope hears of Odysseus return and tells Odysseus her plan for the
sutiors.

[tylern]

Why didn't Odysseus tell his wife who he was. I know he wanted to plot
against the suitors without them finding out but all she had to do was
lie. Penelope and the servant could have helped him get rid of them
but he seemed too prideful to ask for help.

[Jess]

Book14: What got out of it is that O went back to his homeland and met
upon one of his old friends that used to look after his sheep. He is
pleased to see that his friend has been loyal and has kept looking
after his sheep. His friend talks about how he loved O and hates the
suitors. O disguises himself because he wants to secretly check up on
people to make sure they have been loyal while he's been gone.

Book19: He returns to his home and he and his son get rid of the
weapons from the suitors. He disguises himself from his wife and tells
her he knows that O is coming back, although she doesn't believe him.
The old nurse is washing O's feet and realizes it's O from the scar on
his leg. He tells the nurse not to let his wife know. His wife also
tells him she's going to pick her husband soon by having them shoot
one arrow through 12 targets.

What I don't understand is why he can't tell his wife it's him. He can
she she's been loyal, and I think she'd also keep it a secret from
everyone before he kills the suitors...or whatever he's planning to do
to them. But, I suppose he has his reasons.

[Jenn]

In book 14 Odysseus talks to Eumaeus. Eumaeus doesnt recognize
Odysseus as his former master. Odysseus just listens to the way he
talks about his lost master as he talks about how he doesnt like his
knew master. Odysseus lies to him and says he is from Crete.
In book 19 telemachus and Odysseus dispose the arms of the suitors. He
goes and talks to his wife but she doesnt recognize him. He tells a
story in great detail of meeting "himself." Penelope has a dream which
makes her decide to remarry. She says the first guy who can shoot an
arrow through holes of 12 axes in a line will be the lucky one.
Eurycleia washes Odysseus' feet and realizes who he is but Odysseus
tells her to be quiet and to keep in a secret. I dont understand why
he wont say who he is! Why is he keeping it a secret?

[Ashley]

in 14 odyssues is not telling anyone who he really is and he just kind
of wants to see who was loyal to him and who he can still trust. he
tells all of his tales again but in a shorter story and he kind of
changed it a little bit so they wouldn't know it was really odyssues.

chapter 19 odyssues is with his son again and he knows that it is his
father. i think they get rid of the suitors and cut them up of body
parts off, i'm not sure. why did they have to put all the weapons
away...was that a threshold crossing?

[Ryan]

Book 14 was short and easy. Odysseus is back at Ithica but Telemachus
is the only person that knows it is really Odysseus. Odysseus didn't
tell his wife Penelope that it was him because he wants to know if she
is still faithful.
Book 19 wasn't near as easy but Jordan's response really cleared it up
for me.

[Freese]

in book 14 odysseus finally comes back to ithica but he comes back in
but he doesnt let anyone know who is but telechmus knows who it is. he
kinda checks up on ithica with out anyone knowing its odysseus. he and
telechums figure out this plan to get rid of the suitors.

in book 19 odysseus and telechmus go through with their plan. they cut
of all the arms of the suitors. i think that penelope finally knows
that it is him. Then theres something about penelope choosing man with
a test with arows. I dont really know i kinda got lost.

i think its dumb that all of these people are always disguised

[Nick M]

in book 14, odysseus is back in ithaca and he comes across one of his
servants, Eumeus. Eumeus doesnt recognize odysseus because he is
disguised. they start to talk and Odysseus keeps telling him that
Odysseus will return to his land. odysseus stays at the house of
Eumeus and gives him food. Eumeus will not believe Odysseus when he is
disguised when he tells him that Odysseus will be returning because
many people have come along and said the same thing for food or gifts.
in book 19, together Odysseus and Telemachus gather all of the weapons
that they have in order to get revenge on all of the suitors. they do
this because they have acted horribly and they also planned to kill
Odysseus when he gets back. Odysseus talks to Penelope and tries to
tell her that Odysseus will be coming back to Ithaca very soon.
Penelope gets one of her servants to wash his feet and she recognizes
the scar on his leg and she then knows that it is Odysseus. Odysseus
tells her to stay quiet.

[Adrianne]

In book 14 he stumbles upon his old servant Eumaeus. Eumaeus doesnt
recongize Odyssey, he thinks he is just a guy who once met Odyssey.
Why doesnt he recongize Odyssey? Has he changed that much?

In book 19 Odyssey is back at his home, and Telemachus get rid of all
the weapons of the suitors, as part of their plan to take on the
suitors. Penelope thinks that Odyssey is just some begger who she is
letting stay at her house. Why doesnt she recongize him either? Thats
kindof werid that she doesnt. Only Eurycleia, who washes Odyssey's
feet recongizes him, but she is told to keep it a secret.

[Kayla]

In book 14 Odysseus shows up at Eumaeus's house. Eumaeus doesn't know
who he is. He lets odysseus stay at his house for the night and they
have a feast. They talk about the memory of the former master and
stuff. Odysseus says that he might soon see his former ruler. Eumaeus
says he doesn't want to want to hear anything about it. Why doesn't
Odysseus say who he is? Why does he want to hide it?

In book 19 Odysseus has a meeting with Penelope. She says she wants to
know all about Odysseus since the "guest" knows him. Why does Odysseus
lie to his own wife? The lady who was washing Odysseus finds the scar
and right aways notices that it is him. Odysseus says to keep it a
secret. Penelope tells Odysseus that she had a dream about her husband
but he answers saying hat the will be returning home in about a month.
Will Penelope find a new husband by then?

[sharp]

book 14
Why did Odysseus lie to Eumaeus about not being who he really is? How
does he not reconize his former master.

[sharp]

book 19
Why does Odysseus want to keep him being found a secret to his wife
and why does he wanna fight for her? I think he will win her vack with
the challenges he's faced with.

[nathan]

Ch. 14 Odysseus returns to Ithaca but in a disguise. The only one that
knows it is him is talamachus. He does this to see who is still loyal
to him.
Ch. 19 The main thing in this chapter is odysseus and talamachus get
rid of all the weapons so the suitors couldn't fight back against
them.

[Shelby]

In book 14, Odysseus is back in Ithaca but he is disguised so people
won't recognize him. He stays with his swineherd and lies to him about
his fake identity.

In book 19, Odysseus has made a plan to kill the suitors that have
been ruining his house while he was gone. He showed his old nurse who
he really was but she was not allowed to tell anyone else.

[Katherine]

In book 14, Odysseus runs into the man by all the hogs, who shows him
hospitality. They talk about Odysseus (he doesn't know it's him?) and
the man looks to Odysseus like a god, but thinks he's dead. Odysseus
tells him that he'd be coming back soon and tried to restore faith in
him. In book 19, Telemachus hides all the old weapons..but where were
the suitors while he was doing that? Odysseus was back in his home as
a stranger, but the nurse ends up figuring out it's him by the scar on
his leg.

[Trevor]

In book 14 Odysseus is back in Ithaca diguised as a swineherd. He
talks to Eumaues and tells him his live story.
In Book 19 he revels himself to T and tells him not to tell anyone
else. They start to plan there revenge on the suitors. Then one of his
servants sees a scare on his ankle and knows it is him but she keeps
quiet.

[Trevor]

In book 14 Odysseus is back in Ithaca diguised as a swineherd. He runs
into one of his men and tells him his life story.
In book 19 Odysseus revels himself to T and tells him not to tell
anyone. They then begin to plan revenge on the suitors. One of his
servants also discovers it is him when she sees the scar on his
ankle.

[DUNNICK]

In book 14, Odysseus returns from Ithaca and he's disguised as a swineherd.
In book 19, Odysseus revels himself to his son and tells him not to tell anyone. They plan to take revenge on the suitors.

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[Angel K.]

In book 14 Odysseus get back home and is dressed like a warrior. He
then see's Eumaeus who offers him food and a place to sleep.
In book 19 Odysseus goes to see Penelope in a disguise and tells her
that Odysseus will be there soon. Penelope sees a scar on his leg and
figures out that he is actually Odysseus and is told to keep it to
herself.

[Mr. Slave]

Chapter 14: odyseus comes back in a disguise. and really the only
person that knows its him is telemachus. He is also disguised to see
if his wife is still faithful.

chapter 19: so they kinda chop up the suitors...which is pretty
violent. then he meets up with penelope and she doesn't really
recognize him at first but then once they start washing him they
discover that its him.

[day]

i thnk because he wanted to make sure that she stayed faithful and to
find out what all happened when she was gone

[Zinnel]

In XIV O is back in Ithica and he is talking to his swineherder. He
stays with him. He also tells him that O will return. He is keeping
this identity a secret because he doesn't know who he can trust.

In XIX O and T meet and O tells T that he is his father. T takes O to
his house and introduces him as a begger and tells everyone that he
will be staying here. O talks to Penelope but keeps his identity a
secret, P has a servent wash Os feet and she sees his scare and know
that it is O. He tells her to keep her mouth shut. They also tell
about the test that P will give to the suiters and whoever wins will
marry her.

[spenc]

In book 14 Odysseus just got back to ithica and talks to his head
sheep herder. Odysseus tells him his story but doesn't reveal his
identity and stays the night at his sheep herders farm.

In book 19 Odysseus goes to his house and see Penelope. He chooses
one women to wash his feet and she notices his scar and he tells her
to swear to keep it a secret. Also in this book Odysseus and his son
gather all of the weapons up and hid them and Penelope comes to
Odysseus and tells him about a dream she had with an eagle. She then
tells him she will decide her next husband by the first one who can
string Odysseus's bow and shoot it through 12 axes.

[Joc]

In book XIV was about Odysseus and Emumaeus eating dinner together.
And doing so he thanks his old master, but doesn't believe that he'll
ever come back. But why does Odyssey lie about where he livses.
In book XIX Odyssesus goes and talks to Penelope but she doesn't think
that its him. He also reveals himself to T, but tells him not to tell
anyone else

[Chris]

ok so what i got out of it is that Odysseus goes back to ithica in
disguise to find out who has been loyal to him. Telemachus sees
through the disguise and he meets up with eumaeus. Why does he lie to
eumaeus and not go tell his wife that he has returned? In book 19
odysseus and penelope talk. the maid washes his feet and discovers his
true identity but he tells her not to tell anyone.

[Matejka]

In book 14, it is about Odyssues and Eumaeus having a meal together
and talking about Eumaeus's old master, Odyssues is disguised as a
traveler and learns that Eumaeus praises his old master and scorns his
new ones and Odyssues tells him that his old master is still alive.
Book 19 is about Odysseus and Telemachus taking all the weapons and
armor from the suitors then Odysseus talk to his wife who doesn't know
that it is him, but a begger. She questions Odysseus for a while then
sees a scar that her husband had and realizes it is Odysseus. Then
they talk about a dream then Penelope tells him she is going to marry
one of the suitors. The one to marry Penelope is the one who can shoot
an arrow through a hole surrounded by axes.

[Jesse]

How did Eumaeus not know that it was his old master that was having a
meal with? If Odysseus didn't want him to know it was him then why
did he hide his real identity?

[alicia]

book 14 and book 15:

In book 14 I didn't really understand the reading. It has something to
do with an old man and Odysseus eating a meal together and plotting a
plan to escape. Or atleast thats hopefully what I was supposed to
understand.
In book 15 Odysseus is reunited with his wife. She doesn't believe it
is him at first until she washes his feet off and notices a scar that
she remembered Odysseus had had. She is so excited to see him but she
tells of a dream that she had had and asks Odysseus to explain it.
Thats all I got from this chapter.

[Treye]

In book 14 it took a bit to get into it until i realized that it was O
again because of the jump but i understood the meaning of this
chapter. This chapter set up what was to come in 19 so you got a feel
for how he came back to his homeland. He first started out and me his
former servants and lies about who he is but tells some things that
are true and tells of O's return. In 19 it goes into further detail
with him meeting up with his old nurse maid and how she descovers it
to be him by his scar and he tells her to tell no one. she agrees to
this and Penelope tells O of a game to be played for her to decide a
suitor and O tells her to do it and quickly.

[taylor]

in book 14 Odysseus talks to Eumaeus about his adventure but didnt
tell him he was odysseus but was someone else. thats about all that
chapter really talked about.
in book 19 Odysseus and Telemachus meet and take the arms of the
suitors away. then Odyssues has his feet washed by a women servant and
she sees the scar on his foot but he doesnt allow her to tell anyone
about it. Odysseus wants to stay under the radar and see whats going
on in his house before he tells them its him.

[Adrianne]

In book 14 Odyssey stumbles across an old servant of his name Eumaeus.
They have a disscussion, and once again Odyssey disguases himself as
someone else. Odyssey tells stories to Eumaeus how he once meet
Odyssey and of his experience with him. Eumaeus misses Odysseys and
thinks he will never see him again. When the Odyssey tells Eumaeus he
will see him again that he isnt dead he doesnt believe him.
In book 19 Odyssey has met up with his son Telemachus and they have
come up with a plan to get ride of all the suitors. Meanwhile Penelope
decides the next guy to shoot an arrow through tweleve axes will be
her new husband. Penelope looks as Odyssey as a begger and doesnt
think he could be her wife. Eurycleia washes Odysseys feet and sees
his scar and realizes it really is Odyssey but she is told not to tell
anyone. Why is everyone so secretive?

[Ed]

in book 14 O returns and he starts to try and find people that are
still beng true to him even though he has been gone for so long.
In book 19 O and T are now together and they are plotting against the
suitors.But they are keeping O from Penelope so she doesnt know and to
see if she will stay true.

[AmandaStefl]

Book 14: O returns back to Ithica. But he disguises himself as a
beggar so no one will reconize him as a god. He wants to see how they
will treat a complete stranger. They should show hospitality just as
he was a god. The suitors are extremely foul. They spit and mock him.
But Ematious proves to be loyal and provides him with lunch, supper,

and a place to sleep.

Book 19: Penelope questions O. But O tells her not to ask about land
or family. O acting as a beggar describes O's clothes and what he has
been up to. He also tells her that O is very close to returning home.
The nurse washes his feet and realizes its him by the scar on his
foot. Penelope lets the beggar spend the night at her home and weeps
for her 'husbands' return.

[Dalen]

Odysseus meets up with Eumaeus in book 14. He takes care of Odysseus
for the night and they eat some food. Odysseus is in disguise.

In book 19 Odysseus's disguise is blown when Eurycleia is washing his
feet. She sees a scar that she knows Odysseus has. Penelope wants to
choose her suitor by who can shoot an arrow through 12 axes.

[morgan jo]

Book 14 was a shorter book then the other ones, so there won't be as
much to write about. Well, Eumaeus is convinced that his master,
Odysseus, is lost. Odysseus is talking Emaeus and he tells him that he
is from Crete, and he hears that Odysseus is still alive.
In book 19, Telemachus and Odysseus have already met, so they are
together and they are trying to keep the arms safe. Odysseus describes
himself to Penelope, but she does not know it is him standing in from
of her describing her husband. Eurycleia recognizes the scar on
Odysseus's foot while he is washing his feet. Penelope has finally
decided to marry since she thinks that Odysseus is not coming home.
She says that she will marry the first man who shoots an arrow through
12 axes. Many of the suitors try it but fail. Then Odysseus tries and
and succeeds right away.

[shuey]

Why didn't Odysseus just come back to his home island as him self?
Why doesn't he just tell them that its him?

why does Odyseuss tell Telemachus that it is him and not his wife?
Does he want his wife to really be excited when she finds out its
him. i think she would be mad.

[Brittanee Deeringer]

Why does he have to disguise himself? Why does he lie to Penelope?

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[KSchoolman]

Okay so O is disguising himself because he wants to know who he can
trust. He wants to make sure he can trust these people? What will the
beggers do to O if they find out it's him?