some more creator data to record

[Donald Dale Milne]

Here's another batch of items to consider recording. Again, these
are recorded in some form in the current Who's Who. Any thoughts on
whether or how we wish to record them?

Other media and accomplishments (list of other media worked in and
companies worked for). This might require several connected tables to
accomplish. This might be broken into several sub-categories such as:
1. Comics in other media, further broken into specific features and
magazines, listing creator roles and years.
2. Other non-comics work in print media, further broken into specific
magazines, listing creator roles and years.
3. Commercial Art & Design work, further broken into specific
companies, listing creator roles and perhaps features (products) and years.
4. Performing Arts work, further broken into specific theater
companies, listing creator roles and years.
5. Other non-comics work in other media, such as fine arts, movies, TV,
digital, or radio.
6. other???

The Who's Who appears to record work in Promotional comics and Fan
& trade zines separately. However, as the GCD indexes both Promotional
comics and Fanzines, our current system will properly record all work in
them and I don't see a need to do anything separately. Work in trade
magazines would appear to be covered by either #1 or #2 above, as
appropriate, so no special needs for that either.

- Don Milne

[R Bottorff]

I'll make my thoughts on this simple. We keep everything the Who's Who has and adjust the data for the GCD's conditions. It seems to me that just because it doesn't have a GCD link, it will be just a field that is linked to nothing in the GCD in the WHo's WHo

my best
-Ray

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[Lionel English]

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Donald Dale Milne <dond...@att.net> wrote:

Other media and accomplishments (list of other media worked in and companies worked for).  This might require several connected tables to accomplish.  This might be broken into several sub-categories such as:
1.  Comics in other media, further broken into specific features and magazines, listing creator roles and years.

I'm not clear on what this is.  Presumably we would eventually be documenting these in the GCD, wouldn't we, with the exception of webcomics?

 

2.  Other non-comics work in print media, further broken into specific magazines, listing creator roles and years.

See my comments on #5, below

 

3.  Commercial Art & Design work, further broken into specific companies, listing creator roles and perhaps features (products) and years.

I can't imagine this is recorded anywhere else, so I wouldn't mind keeping it.

 

4.  Performing Arts work, further broken into specific theater companies, listing creator roles and years.
5.  Other non-comics work in other media, such as fine arts, movies, TV, digital, or radio.

For work in movies or TV, I'd prefer that instead of trying to record that work, we should link to the person's entry in the IMDb.

 

If there are other pop culture databases out there similar to the GCD or IMDb but for other media (pulps, theater, etc) then in general I would prefer to link to those sources, which specialize in that data, rather than attempt to document it ourselves.  Our core competency is on comics data.  There are other projects which focus on other art forms.  Many creative people had careers that span more than one industry.  I'd generally defer to another source for data that is not within our core competency if that source seems likely to be more reliable with that form of data.

 

Additional suggestions in this area would be linking to a WorldCat search for a creator to catch a lot of their print work (even though there would be some slight overlap with us where they've recorded graphic novels and trade collections).

Oh, and while I don't think we should try in general to index web comics (individual strips) I don't think it would be out of place to include links in creator's records to their web comics (i.e. the home page of their web strip).

--
Lionel English

San Diego, CA
lio...@beanmar.net

[R Bottorff]

The Who's Who is a separate entity. We should keep all the fields Jerry did, allow people to add to them for new creators in the Who's Who itself and link only those to the GCD that fit. This is a Who's Who and we should think of it as such. To allow an expanse of information on a creator beyond their comic credits provides a insight to that creator not found elsewhere. I think we should just define what goes into what fields. Maybe even add to it. Maybe combining some. But not remove any. my best -Ray

[Lou Mazzella]

I thought the point of this discussion was to figure out what we'd be using in our own creator records and that the Who's Who would be preserved as it is. Did I misunderstand?

-Lou

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Subject: Re: [gcd-Whos Who] some more creator data to record

[R Bottorff]

I was under the impression the exact opposite, deciding what to leave an keep in a future Who's Who. my best -Ray --- On Tue, 12/20/11, Lou Mazzella <gloi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Donald Dale Milne]

No, you're correct. From the first group e-mail: "This group will
discuss how to integrate the information in Jerry Bails' Who's Who with
the Grand Comics Database. We will produce a report defining what data
should be imported, what data structure is required, and how the data
will be used, per the ballot http://www.comics.org/voting/ballot/66/."

- Don Milne

On 12/20/2011 9:08 PM, Lou Mazzella wrote:
> I thought the point of this discussion was to figure out what we'd be
> using in our own creator records and that the Who's Who would be
> preserved as it is. Did I misunderstand?
> -Lou
>

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[Henry Andrews]

My impression is closer to Lou's.  I've never been clear on the exact form of the "as is" Who's Who, but my impression was that the project going forward would be used as the basis of the biographical side of the GCD, and not kept as a separate system.  Except perhaps for some prominent credit (integration into the front page, etc.)

-henry

[Lionel English]

My take is the same as Lou and Henry's.  "Our" Who's Who won't replace Jerry's Who's Who.  We'll continue to maintain Jerry's as is, under it's own URL, but we'll use Jerry's as the starting point for ours.  Ours won't be called the Who's Who, it will be the creator/personnel component of the GCD.  It'll have a broader scope than Jerry's.  We can cross link Jerry's and ours, so there's no danger of "losing" anything.

[Donald Dale Milne]

OK, there was only brief discussion on this batch of items, and the
basic thought is to record everything in the GCD creator records
somehow. This list pertained to other media and accomplishments (list of
other media worked in and companies worked for). Several sub-categories
such as the following were mentioned, with no objections. Some comments
are included /in italics/:

1. Comics in other media, further broken into specific features and
magazines, listing creator roles and years.

/ Could eventually be documented in the standard GCD, with the
exception of webcomics./

2. Other non-comics work in print media, further broken into specific
magazines, listing creator roles and years.
See my comments on #5, below
3. Commercial Art & Design work, further broken into specific
companies, listing creator roles and perhaps features (products) and years.

/ This information may not be recorded anywhere else, so we should do
so. but see #4-5 below in case it is recorded somewhere else./

4. Performing Arts work, further broken into specific theater
companies, listing creator roles and years.
5. Other non-comics work in other media, such as fine arts, movies, TV,
digital, or radio.

/ For work in movies or TV, we could link to the person's entry in

the IMDb. If there are other pop culture databases out there similar to
the GCD or IMDb but for other media (pulps, theater, etc) then in

general we could link to those sources, which specialize in that data,

rather than attempt to document it ourselves. Our core competency is on
comics data. There are other projects which focus on other art forms.

However, including information in the GCD on a creator, beyond their
comic credits, provides a insight to that creator not found elsewhere.
This will need further discussion as to whether we simply provide links
out from the GCD, or record the information ourselves somehow./
6. other???
/ Additional suggestions in this area would be linking to a WorldCat
search for a creator to catch a lot of their print work, instead of
intending to record that ourselves./
/ While we do not intend to index web comics (individual strips) we
could include links in creator's records to their web comics (i.e. the
home page of their web strip)./

I'll bring up another batch of items next week.

- Don Milne