Draft technical requirements
Donald Dale Milne
detailed, and I believe comprehensive. I've sent it as a pdf because it
seemed too long to read in an e-mail. This set of requirements deals
only with the data recording side; no attempt at display requirements or
an input interface have been made. I think we should tackle those
separately.
As it says at the top, I haven't tried to work out all the tables
needed. However, I think I have the necessary relationships spelled
out. I tried one random name from the existing Who's Who, to see if I
could get the data to fit and it worked well. I encourage others to try
other names. There are a number of things which appear in the Who's Who
that we already record in our usual GCD database and I did not see any
arguments so far that we should try to duplicate that in a new form. We
will be leaving the Who's Who intact and available anyway.
There are a number of things noted near the end that we need to
work out separately, but they do not need to hold up this work. After a
couple of weeks to discuss this document, I expect to make whatever
adjustments we come up with and then we can pass this recommendation to
the Board. Read carefully, test it, and fire away with comments!
- Don
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Lionel English
Here's what I could put together from our discussions. It's long, detailed, and I believe comprehensive. I've sent it as a pdf because it seemed too long to read in an e-mail. This set of requirements deals only with the data recording side; no attempt at display requirements or an input interface have been made. I think we should tackle those separately.
As it says at the top, I haven't tried to work out all the tables needed. However, I think I have the necessary relationships spelled out. I tried one random name from
discuss this document, I expect to make whatever adjustments we come up with and then we can pass this recommendation to the Board. Read carefully, test it, and fire away with comments!
It looks good. I have no quibbles with it.
Lionel English
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Tony Rose
I don' think I understand "Name_Language." “Тони Рос” is as much my name as "Tony Rose." I understand that some cultures put family names first but I don't see that saying "Tony Rose" is my English name adds anything. Or really even makes much sense.
tony
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exactly be dealing with a language. It's really looking at the alphabet
or character set used. "Name_Alphabet"?
- Don Milne
On 2/20/2012 3:59 PM, Lionel English wrote:
> I'm not sure language is the right word, but when dealing with
> international transcriptions, particularly where different alphabets
> are concerned, one way would be the native way of spelling it, and
> other ways would be common transliterations into a different alphabet
> set. So if a Russian or Chinese name were written in English, it
> would have to be written differently because the standard Latin
> alphabet doesn't have the same set of characters as the native languages.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Tony Rose <tonyr...@comcast.net
> <mailto:tonyr...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Good work, Don.
>
> I don' think I understand "Name_Language." “Тони Рос” is as much
> my name as "Tony Rose." I understand that some cultures put
> family names first but I don't see that saying "Tony Rose" is my
> English name adds anything. Or really even makes much sense.
>
>
>
>
> tony
>
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Lionel English
Perhaps "Name_Language" is not the best term, as it would not exactly be dealing with a language. It's really looking at the alphabet or character set used. "Name_Alphabet"?
- Don Milne
On 2/20/2012 3:59 PM, Lionel English wrote:
I'm not sure language is the right word, but when dealing with international transcriptions, particularly where different alphabets are concerned, one way would be the native way of spelling it, and other ways would be common transliterations into a different alphabet set. So if a Russian or Chinese name were written in English, it would have to be written differently because the standard Latin alphabet doesn't have the same set of characters as the native languages.
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Good work, Don.
I don' think I understand "Name_Language." “Тони Рос” is as much
my name as "Tony Rose." I understand that some cultures put
family names first but I don't see that saying "Tony Rose" is my
English name adds anything. Or really even makes much sense.
tony
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Name_Language attribute either. There's really no reason it cannot be
treated as Lionel says, and just have a Name_Type to handle it. I even
already have an appropriate Name_Type mentioned, "Other Language Name."
So the canonical name can just be linked to another name of that Type.
- Don Milne
On 2/21/2012 11:02 AM, Tony Rose wrote:
> I think I like that even better.
>
>
>
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> tony
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> Actually, we may not need it--we can specify the native spelling as
> the canonical name, and other transliterations as...not pseudonyms,
> but valid alternate spellings. Maybe.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Donald Dale Milne <dond...@att.net
> <mailto:dond...@att.net>> wrote:
>
> Perhaps "Name_Language" is not the best term, as it would not
> exactly be dealing with a language. It's really looking at the
> alphabet or character set used. "Name_Alphabet"?
>
> - Don Milne
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 3:59 PM, Lionel English wrote:
>
> I'm not sure language is the right word, but when dealing with
> international transcriptions, particularly where different
> alphabets are concerned, one way would be the native way of
> spelling it, and other ways would be common transliterations
> into a different alphabet set. So if a Russian or Chinese
> name were written in English, it would have to be written
> differently because the standard Latin alphabet doesn't have
> the same set of characters as the native languages.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Tony Rose
> <tonyr...@comcast.net <mailto:tonyr...@comcast.net>
> <mailto:tonyr...@comcast.net
> <mailto:tonyr...@comcast.net>>> wrote:
>
> Good work, Don.
>
> I don' think I understand "Name_Language." “Тони Рос” is as
> much
> my name as "Tony Rose." I understand that some cultures put
> family names first but I don't see that saying "Tony Rose"
> is my
> English name adds anything. Or really even makes much sense.
>
>
>
>
> tony
>
>
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removed the Name_Language attribute and re-written the examples to use
Name_Type to help define the connection between names. I've attached a
new document that reflects this change and propose that we adopt it as
our report and forward it to the Board for consideration.
As I noted previously, there are a number of things that need to be
worked out separately, but they do not need to hold up this work. I
believe the Board will need to decide:
1. Determining criteria for the GCD_Official_Name. To begin with, we
could use their name in the current Who's Who, if available.
2. Determining a GCD Language Of Record. A single language should be
chosen, so that names known to be written in multiple languages can be
properly represented.
3. Determining whether we want to add a Latinized transcription of a
name, on the display side, to aid in pronunciation or searching.
4. Determining whether and how the GCD might sponsor creator
questionnaires. Much of the Who's Who is driven by what the creators
reported to Jerry in the questionnaires he sent out. This might also be
a good source for us to use.
5. Determining whether and how the GCD might create and maintain a
bibliography database, comprised of entries of sources of information on
creators. Some of this data could be seeded from the Source data we will
record for various information noted above.
6. Determining rules about what would and would not be allowed for
Sample_Scans of art.
- Don Milne