Whos Who integration

[Donald Dale Milne]

The Board has created a committee to investigate how to integrate
the information in Jerry Bails' Who's Who with the Grand Comics
Database. We will produce a report defining what data should be
imported, what data structure is required, and how the data will be
used, per the ballot http://www.comics.org/voting/ballot/66/.

I've been appointed to chair the committee. Several people have
already come forward requesting to be on the committee, so we will be
starting soon. However, if anyone here is interested, please
volunteer. While there is no limit set on committee size, I hope to
have no more than about 7 people, just to keep it manageable. Or, if
you are interested in our deliberations but would rather not
participate, you can request to join just the mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/gcd-whos-who.

I'm new at chairing one of these, so don't mind me if I go slow at
first. :-)

- Don Milne

[Donald Dale Milne]

Information on the existing database structure of the Whos Who can
be found at
http://www.bailsprojects.com/%28S%282rdqljj2dlhaba45ognyzsae%29%29/about.html.
Information on the current GCD database structure is at
http://docs.comics.org/wiki/New_Fun_Schema. At least I think it's
current; Jochen would know for sure. These give us a place to start
looking what is common or different between the systems.

- Don Milne

On 7/22/2011 7:31 PM, Juan Gonzalez wrote:
> I'm very interested in this, but I'm not sure if I can be of help. Do
> you have more details?
>
> Juan

[Henry Andrews]

The New Fun Schema was my proposal and bears only a passing resemblance to current production.

There's not much that's relevant to Who's Who in the current schema that isn't obvious from the site.  Creators are text fields on the story (sequence) table, and that's all there is to it.

thanks,

-henry

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From: Donald Dale Milne <dond...@att.net>
To: gcd-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [gcd-main] Whos Who integration

[Lionel English]

The New Fun Schema didn't include the migration to creator, credit, character, and appearance tables.  That was to be a later development.  But I *think* we have a link somewhere in the docs to the old new schema; the one that was hashed out on tech about five years or so ago.  But we might be best off just starting with the existing Who's Who and asking ourselves "is there anything we want to add, throw out, or modify?" and "what do we need from a creator table that is intended to be linked to from elsewhere in the GCD?"

--
Lionel English

San Diego, CA
lio...@beanmar.net

[Lionel English]

Food for thought:

 

Jerry's Who's Who is feature-oriented.  Listings indicate tenures on various features.  The GCD is content oriented--we document actual jobs in specific issues.

 

But...when we create our new Who's Who, we won't have a bridge (i.e. a credits table) to the existing GCD for a while.  That will have to come later.

 

So.  Do we retain the feature-based format of the current Who's Who, since we already have that data?  Without a feature listing *or* a content listing our Who's Who would be pretty worthless as a resource, so I'd think we'd have to keep the feature-oriented approach at first.

 

We're also going to want to create a feature table at some point.  Do we want to retain the feature-based listings even after we get a credit table in place? (We don't actually have to make that decision now, since we *will* have plenty of time between the creation of the new Who's Who and the creation of a credits table.  But it doesn't hurt to think about where we ultimately want to go.)  Do we want to use the Who's Who as a starting point for a feature table?  Or the GCD?  I think the GCD would be the better source for a feature table myself.

[Henry Andrews]

I desperately want a feature table.  But getting feature defined is a tall order and I'm not up to walking it the rest of the way through gcd-policy, obviously (some of the basics are actually voted on already).

-henry

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From: Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net>
To: gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:23 PM

[Tony Rose]

Hmmm.  I have misapprehended our group intentions.  I didn't understand that we were going to create a new Who's Who.  I thought "the plan" -- in as much as there was one -- was to use the Who's Who as the template for a creator table.

I see the need for a feature table; we really need one, but I don't think we should work from the Who's Who for that.  I agree that the GCD is a better place to start.





tony

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From: "Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net>
To: gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:23:27 PM

[Tony Rose]

I must admit that I don't know how to define feature in such a way as to avoid incessant arguments.  The problem cases will almost always require some prior knowledge and/or research in order to be properly assigned.  That burden should mostly fall on the indexers but approvers will have to take some of it, too.  I don't have a problem with that but I don't think that's the way most of the membership will want to go.




tony

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From: "Henry Andrews" <hh...@cornell.edu>
To: gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:00:26 PM

[Lionel English]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Tony Rose <tonyr...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hmmm.  I have misapprehended our group intentions.  I didn't understand that we were going to create a new Who's Who.  I thought "the plan" -- in as much as there was one -- was to use the Who's Who as the template for a creator table.

Same thing, different names :-)

[Henry Andrews]

Not really- it's very different from the point of branding.  If we are creating a new Who's Who, then it would be under its own URL, have its own logos, etc.  If we are using it to launch the GCD creator tables, it won't.

thanks,

-henry

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From: Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net>
To: gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:00 AM

[Lionel English]

OK, you're right--I don't think we're going to brand our creator table as the Who's Who of International Comics .  But I think we're going to do more than just use the Who's Who as a template--I think we can actually use the data in the Who's Who as a seed for whatever it is we're creating.  So that we have a very healthy startup.  

Or am I the only one who was thinking that?

[Tony Rose]

When I said "template," I wasn't being very precise.  I meant that we were going to use the data as the core of the creator table.

tony

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From: "Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net>
To: gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 1:44:04 PM

[Lionel English]

OK, Then we're thinking the same thing.

[Tony Rose]

Whew!    :)



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From: "Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net>
To: gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:07:29 PM

[Donald Dale Milne]

I don't see anything in our enabling resolution that claims we will
be creating a new Who's Who with this committee at this time.

- Don Milne

On 7/29/2011 1:58 PM, Henry Andrews wrote:
> Not really- it's very different from the point of branding. If we are
> creating a new Who's Who, then it would be under its own URL, have its
> own logos, etc. If we are using it to launch the GCD creator tables,
> it won't.
>
> thanks,
> -henry
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net>
> *To:* gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 10:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [gcd-main] Whos Who integration

>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Tony Rose <tonyr...@comcast.net
> <mailto:tonyr...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Hmmm. I have misapprehended our group intentions. I didn't
> understand that we were going to create a new Who's Who. I
> thought "the plan" -- in as much as there was one -- was to
> use the Who's Who as the template for a creator table.
>
>
>
> Same thing, different names :-)
>
>
> I see the need for a feature table; we really need one, but I
> don't think we should work from the Who's Who for that. I
> agree that the GCD is a better place to start.
>
>
>
>
>
> tony
>

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> *From: *"Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net
> <mailto:lio...@beanmar.net>>
> *To: *gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:gcd-wh...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:23:27 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [gcd-main] Whos Who integration

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> *From:* Donald Dale Milne <dond...@att.net
> <mailto:dond...@att.net>>
> *To:* gcd-...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:gcd-...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2011 6:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [gcd-main] Whos Who integration

> lio...@beanmar.net <mailto:lio...@beanmar.net>

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> --
> Lionel English
> San Diego, CA

> lio...@beanmar.net <mailto:lio...@beanmar.net>

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> --
> Lionel English
> San Diego, CA

> lio...@beanmar.net <mailto:lio...@beanmar.net>
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[Jochen G.]

If possible we shouldn't mix (especially not make the introduction of
one dependent on the other) a potential feature table with a potential
creators table.

Jochen

> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Henry Andrews <h...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>
> >>  The New Fun Schema was my proposal and bears only a passing resemblance
> >> to current production.
> >> There's not much that's relevant to Who's Who in the current schema that
> >> isn't obvious from the site.  Creators are text fields on the story
> >> (sequence) table, and that's all there is to it.
>
> >> thanks,
> >> -henry
>

> >>   ------------------------------
> >> *From:* Donald Dale Milne <dondmi...@att.net>
> >> *To:* gcd-...@googlegroups.com
> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2011 6:59 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [gcd-main] Whos Who integration

>
> >>     Information on the existing database structure of the Whos Who can be
> >> found at

> >>http://www.bailsprojects.com/%28S%282rdqljj2dlhaba45ognyzsae%29%29/ab....

> >> Information on the current GCD database structure is at
> >>http://docs.comics.org/wiki/New_Fun_Schema.  At least I think it's
> >> current; Jochen would know for sure.  These give us a place to start looking
> >> what is common or different between the systems.
>
> >> - Don Milne
>
> >> On 7/22/2011 7:31 PM, Juan Gonzalez wrote:
> >> > I'm very interested in this, but I'm not sure if I can be of help. Do
> >> you have more details?
>
> >> > Juan
>
> >> > On 22/07/11 14:53, Donald Dale Milne wrote:
> >> >>    The Board has created a committee to investigate how to integrate
> >> the information in Jerry Bails' Who's Who with the Grand Comics Database.
> >> We will produce a report defining what data should be imported, what data
> >> structure is required, and how the data will be used, per the ballot
> >>http://www.comics.org/voting/ballot/66/.
>
> >> >>    I've been appointed to chair the committee.  Several people have
> >> already come forward requesting to be on the committee, so we will be
> >> starting soon.  However, if anyone here is interested, please volunteer.
> >> While there is no limit set on committee size, I hope to have no more than
> >> about 7 people, just to keep it manageable.  Or, if you are interested in
> >> our deliberations but would rather not participate, you can request to join

> >> just the mailing list athttp://groups.google.com/group/gcd-whos-who.

[Lionel English]

It should probably be a separate discussion.  The creation of a feature table is another goal of mine, at least, and Henry's, I know, and probably others.  But it's not directly dependent on a creator table, nor is a creator table dependent on it.  But the Who's Who does have a lot of feature data in it, since it's credits are feature-oriented.  So it could be used as the basis of a feature table as well.  But you're right that this isn't the right forum for that discussion.

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