Editorial cartoons revisited

[Mike]

I don't remember if I took a position on this before, but mulling it
over on the drive home, I think we SHOULD include editorial cartoons
for the following reasons:

1. We'll probably do them eventually

2. They're in the same papers as the comic strips

3. They're often done by the same people as do comic strips.

4. They're distributed by the same syndicates.

5. It'll definitely differentiate us from Stripper's Guide.

I would think a drop down choice of 'panel, comic strip, editorial
cartoon' would suffice. Later on when the projects are mature, they
could be split in half if desired.

Mike

[carch...@aol.com]

Since indexers are already in the newspaper indexing strips they might as well do these too. I agree.

 

my best

-Ray

I don't remember if I took a position on this before, but mulling it
over on the drive home, I think we SHOULD include editorial cartoons
for the following reasons:

1. We'll probably do them eventually

2. They're in the same papers as the comic strips

3. They're often done by the same people as do comic strips.

4. They're distributed by the same syndicates.

5. It'll definitely differentiate us from Stripper's Guide.

I would think a drop down choice of 'panel, comic strip, editorial
cartoon' would suffice. Later on when the projects are mature, they
could be split in half if desired.

Mike

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[Tony Rose]

I've changed my mind and have come around to thinking that editorial cartoons are probably a good idea, for the reasons that Mike and Ray have given.




tony

[Lionel English]

My objection last time--and still--is that they are dissimilar enough from comic strips to warrant their own project, rather than forcing them into the strip project.  Several people were able to cite examples of cartoons with strip-like attributes, but, on the whole, do cartoons have meta data?  Recurring characters?  A premise? An overarching name?

 

I'd think that the thing that makes editorial cartoons different than comic strips is that by and large each cartoon is *not* part of a series--they're generally standalone.  I'd think the indexing model would presumably be different.

 

So I think cartoons should be done, but they'd have different requirements than strips, and might need a different organizational model.  So I'd vote for a separate project of their own, rather than include them in the strip project.

Lionel English

San Diego, CA
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[Donald Dale Milne]

The line between editorial cartoons and others is also sometimes
fuzzy. Many papers printed Doonesbury on the Editorial page: does this
make it an editorial cartoon? Could there be instances of editorial
cartoons printed on other pages in a paper, and would that make them
regular strips?

- Don Milne

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[Tony Rose]

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Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Editorial cartoons revisited

      The line between editorial cartoons and others is also sometimes
fuzzy.  Many papers printed Doonesbury on the Editorial page: does this
make it an editorial cartoon?  Could there be instances of editorial
cartoons printed on other pages in a paper, and would that make them
regular strips?

In ye olden dayes, editorial cartoons could appear anywhere in the paper.  Sports cartoons, which we really haven't dealt with, usually appeared on the sports page.  These sports cartoons were considerably more akin to editorial cartoons than to the regular strips.  I'm thinking of TAD Dorgan sorts of things -- not the "Indoor Sports" strip but the things he did earlier in his career.





tony

[a]

Tony Rose sez:

> Sports cartoons, which we really haven't dealt with, usually appeared on the sports page.

> These sports cartoons were considerably more akin to editorial cartoons than to the

> regular strips.

 

I thought I pointed earlier to a collection of Sports Cartoons?

 

In any case: Frank Godwin (syndicated CONNIE, briefly WONDER WOMAN) and William Ritt (syndicated BRICK BRADFORD) all started out doing sports cartoons.

 

Wait'll you guys reach the older newspapers -- gorgeous illustrations on nearly every page as photos weren't easily reproduced, lots by later Big Name Artists. And there were serialized versions of many novels by Burroughs, Wells, Doyle, etc that led off each chapter with a great illustration.

 

Art Lortie

[Tony Rose]

I'm sorry, Art, you may very well have pointed out a collection.

And, you're right about the beauty of those pre-photo newspapers, most of which I've only seen on microfilm.




tony

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[Mike]

And as a point of absolute fact, I agree with you Lionel. As a point
of practicality, I think we should do them at the same time. And
sports cartoons. Because if you're looking at the newspaper, you might
as well capture them. Like I said, I'd give them a different format
tag. Geez we can probably ask the programmers to set up a "NOT
editorial cartoon" interface.

Do they have meta data? Of course, everything does or can. In this
case, they have a syndicate, a publication date, various newspapers
that carry them AND frequently a link to a comic strip the cartoonist
is also doing.

Recurring characters - yes - Barack Obama for example. *I* don't care
about images of him, but ...

Overarching name - well, the syndicates have to sell the feature
somehow. Matt Wuerker's Politico cartoon is Wuerking Drawings. Nate
Beeler's in the Washington Examiner is Beelertoons. Herblock was
labelled "Herblock" in the Post. This one might get mushy at times but
that's what [] are for - indexer-created information.

[Lou Mazzella]

Bill Gallo in the New York Daily News still does a traditional sports strip in the manner Tony describes. -Lou --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Tony Rose <tonyr...@comcast.net> wrote:

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[Donald Dale Milne]

Beautifully said and with good examples. My thoughts exactly. We
should include all cartoons in the papers.

John Q. Public and the little marginal animals in the Oliphant
cartoons are also recurring characters.

- Don Milne

[carch...@aol.com]

With Sports Cartoons, they could also appear on the front and back pages of the paper if the team being mentioned were in a championship hunt or won a championship. Classic example? The cartoon of a smiling one-toothed bum with the caption, "This Is Next Year" on the front page of the New York Daily News in celebration of Brooklyn winning the 1955 World Series.

 

my best

-Ray

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Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Editorial cartoons revisited

      The line between editorial cartoons and others is also sometimes
fuzzy.  Many papers printed Doonesbury on the Editorial page: does this
make it an editorial cartoon?  Could there be instances of editorial
cartoons printed on other pages in a paper, and would that make them
regular strips?


In ye olden dayes, editorial cartoons could appear anywhere in the paper.  Sports cartoons, which we really haven't dealt with, usually appeared on the sports page.  These sports cartoons were considerably more akin to editorial cartoons than to the regular strips.  I'm thinking of TAD Dorgan sorts of things -- not the "Indoor Sports" strip but the things he did earlier in his career.





tony

[Tony Rose]

If we elect to include sports cartoons, I'm gonna gave to resolve for myself whether or not the drawings (with dialog and usually something amusing) that accompany the Arkansas Razorbacks vs whomever article in the Saturday Arkansas Democrat-Gazette are includable.




tony

[carch...@aol.com]

Yes, often the Sports Cartoonists cut scross the line between cartoonist and illustrator, and often did both. We may have to include them all or figure out where exactly the line is.