Cartoons

[Lionel English]

I realize that it might be possible to treat a lot of cartoons as though they were strips.  My question would be, is this a general rule, or are these exceptions?

 

If it's not a general rule, then that means either we'd have to exclude a lot of cartooons (but include others), or we'd be forcing a lot of things in that didn't fit properly.  It it's not a general rule, then it would probably make sense to create a separate cartoon database project.  And if we were to do that, then it would make more sense (at least to me) to put all the editorial/sports/gag/etc cartoons in that project, not just the ones that couldn't be shoehorned in to the strips database.

 

If, on the other hand, people feel that *most* cartoons have the same elements as newspaper strips--a common, identifiable name, a common premise, etc--then it would NOT make sense to make a new project to handle them, since they'd fit well within this project.

 

My gut feeling is that the majority of cartoons don't fit within the strip model, and we'd be better off putting all of them in a separate cartoon project.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:40 PM, MJ <fantasti...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are correct though others also do this
Boiling Point - Mikhaela Reid
Slowpoke - Jen Sorenson

On Sep 10, 4:26 pm, MJ <fantasticgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Besides doing strips all these years, I also gave a few of my
> editorial cartoons names. For Instance
> I did quite a few with the tagline Bushwhacked when George W. was in
> office, and I also spun a
> few off for Hillary Clinton with the tagline Hillarious.
>
> On Sep 10, 4:04 pm, Tony Rose <tonyros...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>
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> > Though I cannot think of any at the moment, some political cartoonists have given their "strips" names.
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> > tony
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> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:40:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: What belongs in a strip database?
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> > With editorial cartoons, wouldn't the artist be the "feature"? I am thinking of all the editorial cartoonists and I see what they do as a feature in and of itself for their own work.
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> > my best
> > -Ray
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net>
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> > Sent: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:06 pm
> > Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: What belongs in a strip database?
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> > I thought about asking about editorial and sports cartoons in the poll, and may eventually go back and do another poll for that.
>
> > As I see things currently, the major "levels" of a strip data would be the meta data (about the strip) and the installment data (episode of the strip that appeared on day X). So the problem with fitting cartoons into this model is that they have no meta data--there's no strip name, the cartoons generally aren't connected (other than being by a given cartoonist). They generally have no continuity of any kind. So they'd need a different indexing model (IMO) to address the different challenges of indexing them. If you think about how you'd go about indexing the cartoons in a week's worth of your local paper, you'll see, I think, that you'll need to collect different information in order to really identify individual cartoons.
>
> > The exception to the rule (again, IMO) is panel cartoons that appear under a recurring strip name--things like Dennis the Menace, Marmaduke, Family Circus (those also use multi-panel Sundays so they're odd anyway).
>
> > More borderline cases would be things like The Far Side (recurring name, but no recurring characters or continuity) or (with magazines) The Addams Family, which has recurring elements but not an actual strip name. With these kinds of borderline cartoons, we could make explicit exceptions to include or exclude.
>
> > So I generally see cartoons -- newspaper or magazine -- as a distinct category that will probably get it's own project.
>
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Tony Rose < tonyros...@comcast.net > wrote:
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> > I'm shying away from the political and sports cartoons for now but only because it makes the already somewhat daunting task seem almost insurmountable. Ultimately, I'd like for them to be included, somewhere, somehow. But for a lot of early stuff -- in the oughts and teens -- it's not altogether clear what's a "regular" strip and what's an editorial cartoon. TAD Dorgan's stuff is one of the creators I'm thinking of.
>
> > tony
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> > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:27:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: What belongs in a strip database?
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> > why not editorial cartoons and sports cartoons in the newspaper as well?
>
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Tony Rose < tonyros...@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > Hmm. I had thought magazines would be included in the everything else but I
> > > can see that is pretty US-centric.
>
> > > I'm for defining "comic strip" as comics running in a newspaper, excluding
> > > editorial cartoons, and indexing those.
>
> > > If we added the comic strip database (as defined above) and the regular GCD,
> > > would all that was left be publications that were less than 50% comics?
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> > > tony
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> > > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:11:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: What belongs in a strip database?
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> > > Tony Rose wrote:
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> > >>But, I think the real difference is that if we can confine ourselves to one
> > >> kind of publication, we can avoid the "does this belong?" arguments and
> > >> simply put the oddball stuff in a >hypothetical "everything else" database.
>
> > > So there will be:
>
> > > GCD for comic books
>
> > > A newspaper database
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> > > A magazine database
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> > > An “everything else” database
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> > > Will the strip index be included in the newspaper database or will it stand
> > > alone ?
>
> > > Will the “everything else” database include items with less than 50% comics
> > > ?
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> > > In an advanced search, you will be able to either choose one or all of these
> > > ?
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One of the things the Senior Editors did get voted on was on gag cartoon reprint books. The decision was that cartoons are comics and therefore indexable in the GCD. So we could include them in this new database without a separate one, but have a list for "Types"

 

Gag Cartoon

Sport Cartoon

Comic Panel

Comic Strip

Editorial Cartoon

 

and so on

 

Using this as a starting point, u can build up your index from there.

[tonyr...@comcast.net]

I'm in agreement with you, Lionel. I think we need a separate cartoon
database for the reason you stated: MOST single panel cartoons (New
Yorker, editorial cartoons, etc) are different from regular strips.

tony

> <mailto:fantasticgraph...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Besides doing strips all these years, I also gave a few of my
> > editorial cartoons names. For Instance
> > I did quite a few with the tagline Bushwhacked when George W. was in
> > office, and I also spun a
> > few off for Hillary Clinton with the tagline Hillarious.
> >
> > On Sep 10, 4:04 pm, Tony Rose <tonyros...@comcast.net

> > > > An �everything else� database

> >
> > > > Will the strip index be included in the newspaper database
> or will it stand
> > > > alone ?
> >

> > > > Will the �everything else� database include items with less

> than 50% comics
> > > > ?
> >
> > > > In an advanced search, you will be able to either choose one
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> > > > Jan
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[Lionel English]

I totally agree that cartoons are comics, and that books collecting such should be eligible for the comic book database.

 

But the question being asked here is, are cartoons (in general) comic strips?  Yes, there are *some* cartoons which have strip-like elements--like a recurring title, or recurring characters.  And some that I would definitely consider strips--Dennis, Family Circus, Far Side.  But *in general*, I think they're different enough from strips to warrant a separate database.