POLL : What belongs in a strip database?

[Lionel English]

Because these  are foundational questions that will shape the project from inception, I'd like to  gather opinions in an easy to tabulate fashion, so here's a quick, easy to respond to poll.

In the poll below, keep in mind that anything we choose to exclude from this project will presumably eventually find a home in another, future GCD project.  So answers shouldn't be based on whether you think something should be indexed, but rather whether you think it should be indexed with strips or elsewhere.  Which will come down to do you think the model is similar enough to strips to follow the same indexing model, or different enough to require its own model.

Assume the database will include all daily and Sunday strips from national, metropolitan, and city newspapers (U.S. and abroad).  Assume also, because several have suggested it and no one has opposed it, that we will include strips from college/university newspapers, and from weekly alternative papers.

Beyond this, should we include:

Recurring magazine strips?

___ Yes

___ No

If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?

___ Including

___ Excluding

I'll tally the results on Monday.  Feel free to continue discussing the issue in the other thread.

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[Tony Rose]

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Subject: [gcd-strips] POLL : What belongs in a strip database?

Assume the database will include all daily and Sunday strips from national, metropolitan, and city newspapers (U.S. and abroad).  Assume also, because several have suggested it and no one has opposed it, that we will include strips from college/university newspapers, and from weekly alternative papers.

Beyond this, should we include:

Recurring magazine strips?

___ Yes

xxx  No

[Marco Graziosi]

Beyond this, should we include:

Recurring magazine strips?

xxx Yes

___ No

If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?

xxx Including

___ Excluding

[Donald Dale Milne]

My thoughts:

Beyond this, should we include:

Recurring magazine strips?
_XX_ Yes
___ No

If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?

_XX_ Including
___ Excluding

- Don Milne

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[Lou Mazzella]

Beyond this, should we include: Recurring magazine strips?

_x__ Yes

___ No If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?

_x__ Including ___ Excluding -Lou

[D.D.Degg]

> Recurring magazine strips?
> _XX_ Yes

> ___ No
>
> If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?
> ___ Including

> _XX_ Excluding

[Edgar Loftin]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net> wrote:

> Recurring magazine strips?
> ___ Yes

> __x_ No

[Merlin Haas]

>Beyond this, should we include:
>
>Recurring magazine strips?
>___ Yes

>XXXX___ No

>
>If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?
>___ Including
>___ Excluding

(Preference for magazine comics in separate database which would also
include multi-page stories and panel cartoons.)

best -- Merlin Haas

[Steve Cottle]

Recurring magazine strips?
___ Yes

_XXX__ No

If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?
___ Including

_XXX__ Excluding

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Ray's vote

-----Original Message-----
From: Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net>
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Subject: [gcd-strips] POLL : What belongs in a strip database?

Because these  are foundational questions that will shape the project from inception, I'd like to  gather opinions in an easy to tabulate fashion, so here's a quick, easy to respond to poll.

In the poll below, keep in mind that anything we choose to exclude from this project will presumably eventually find a home in another, future GCD project.  So answers shouldn't be based on whether you think something should be indexed, but rather whether you think it should be indexed with strips or elsewhere.  Which will come down to do you think the model is similar enough to strips to follow the same indexing model, or different enough to require its own model.

Assume the database will include all daily and Sunday strips from national, metropolitan, and city newspapers (U.S. and abroad).  Assume also, because several have suggested it and no one has opposed it, that we will include strips from college/university newspapers, and from weekly alternative papers.

Beyond this, should we include:

Recurring magazine strips?

___ Yes

_X_ No

If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?

_X_ Including

___ Excluding

I'll tally the results on Monday.  Feel free to continue discussing the issue in the other thread.

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[Lionel English]

My vote:

 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net> wrote:

Because these  are foundational questions that will shape the project from inception, I'd like to  gather opinions in an easy to tabulate fashion, so here's a quick, easy to respond to poll.

In the poll below, keep in mind that anything we choose to exclude from this project will presumably eventually find a home in another, future GCD project.  So answers shouldn't be based on whether you think something should be indexed, but rather whether you think it should be indexed with strips or elsewhere.  Which will come down to do you think the model is similar enough to strips to follow the same indexing model, or different enough to require its own model.

Assume the database will include all daily and Sunday strips from national, metropolitan, and city newspapers (U.S. and abroad).  Assume also, because several have suggested it and no one has opposed it, that we will include strips from college/university newspapers, and from weekly alternative papers.

Beyond this, should we include:

Recurring magazine strips?

_X_ Yes

___ No

If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?

_X_ Including

___ Excluding

I'll tally the results on Monday.  Feel free to continue discussing the issue in the other thread.

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[Leonardo De Sá]

My vote.

 

> Beyond this, should we include:
>
> Recurring magazine strips?

> ___ Yes
> _X_ No

>
> If yes to above, including or excluding multi-page strips?
> _X_ Including
> ___ Excluding

 

I still find myself with no time to argue the various points raised, maybe during next week...

 

Leo

 

[Lionel English]

OK, by my count we have five in favor to six opposed to including magazine strips.  So for the moment we'll consider that this project will focus on newspaper strips only, and we can address magazine strips with a future project.  But, we will consider any and all newspapers, not just major U.S. papers.  So, internationally, we'll consider national and local papers, as well as college papers and alternative weekly papers.

 

To give you an idea of the big picture the board of directors has in mind is that Grand Comics Database will become an umbrella project encompassing a number of distinct, but interrelated sister projects that collectively document the whole comics spectrum.  So something like this (though the individual projects are mostly hypothetical at this point):

 

Grand Comics Database

* Comic Book Database    {existing}

* Newspaper Strip Database    {this project -- planning stages}

* Creator Database

* Character Database

* Cartoon Database

* Magazine Strip Database

* Comics Bibliography Database

* Comics Ancillary Database

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net> wrote:

[a]

Lionel English sez:

> OK, by my count we have five in favor to six opposed to including magazine strips.

> So for the moment we'll consider that this project will focus on newspaper strips

> only

 

Heh, heh. I haven't voted yet :) Who wants to send me large wads of unmarked bills?

 

Seriously, I haven't voted yet because

[Jan Roar Hansen]

Will the Newspaper Strip Database be for indexing newspaper strips only or will it include the “strip index” database ?

(much like Art Lortie’s The Saint index)

 

Jan

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[a]

Sorry. Lets try that again ...

 

Lionel English sez:

> OK, by my count we have five in favor to six opposed to including magazine strips.

> So for the moment we'll consider that this project will focus on newspaper strips

> only

 

Heh, heh. I haven't voted yet :) Who wants to send me large wads of unmarked bills?

 

Seriously, I haven't voted yet because I've been thinking that lots of magazines, because of ownership, have a large amount of overlap in creators. Its easy to see how Simon & Kirby got their work in this pulp or that because of ties with the comics. I can see someone tracking that.

 

I just can't ever see anyone tracking ownership of newspapers in the same way.

 

And there seems to be an emphasis here on the art, and not the prose. People like Stookie Allen worked in all 3 mediums.

 

Right now there seems to be at least one other online database that tracks magazines -- the FictionMags index. Problems there are its run by just one person who adds in the contributors stuff -- and its biased toward fiction. Wouldn't it make more sense to offer our magazine strip / art data there (ideally through a user interface) and work on a mega-search engiine to go through both the GCD and fictionmags? Bill Contento, the fictionmags guru, could also benefit from the GCD's growing technical expertise.

 

Art Lortie

[Tony Rose]

Forgive me for my ignorance but will the creator databases and the character database be, in effect, tables from the indexing projects?  I guess I'm asking if it will be a simple thing to search for a creator in the strip database and, not finding what you expected, just click a button and bring up the creator stuff from the creator database?





tony

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[Tony Rose]

I think the indexing of indexes will be in the Comics Bibliography Database.

tony
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[ramon...@hotmail.com]

Have not voted yet either, but tend to lean towards newspapers only, because I feel magazines are like most (US) comic periodicals, in both form, distribution, frequency, publishers etc.

I still have hopes that magazines will one day be part of the regular GCD, even if they do not meet the 50% criteria.

Best,
Ramon

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Subject: [gcd-strips] Re: POLL : What belongs in a strip database?

[Jan Roar Hansen]

Sorry Tony, I was unclear in my question.

Here is another example: http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/comics/index_strips.php3

 

In addition each story should link both to reprints indexed in GCD and the newspaper strip database.

 

Jan

 

 

 

Tony Rose wrote:

>I think the indexing of indexes will be in the Comics Bibliography Database.

[Tony Rose]

I'm sorry, Jan, I'm still not following you.  That is a cool website, though.




tony

[Donald Dale Milne]

Thanks for the link. I'm indexing a publication that is reprinting
some 1982 James Bond strips and this will come in handy.

- Don Milne

On 9/14/2010 4:20 PM, Jan Roar Hansen wrote:
>
> Sorry Tony, I was unclear in my question.
>
> Here is another example:
> http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/comics/index_strips.php3
>
> In addition each story should link both to reprints indexed in GCD and
> the newspaper strip database.
>
> Jan
>
> Tony Rose wrote:
>
> >I think the indexing of indexes will be in the Comics Bibliography
> Database.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Roar Hansen" <jan-...@online.no>
> To: gcd-s...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:35:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: POLL : What belongs in a strip database?
>
> Will the Newspaper Strip Database be for indexing newspaper strips

> only or will it include the �strip index� database ?
>
> (much like Art Lortie�s The Saint index)

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[Lionel English]

Reprints are one area that will definitely cross projects.  We'll want to link strips to reprint collections, and eventually cartoons as well, and magazine strips (or whatever we end up calling them).

 

Creators and characters would likely be heavily cross linked as well--we wouldn't want to set up a comic book creator project *and* a strip creator project *and* a cartoon creator project.  Instead there'd be a creator database, which would be heavily cross linked to that creator's indexed work in the comic book, comic strip, and cartoon databases.  And maybe to records in the comics bibliography database that include that inlclude links to that creator as either an author or focus of an article.  And maybe links to their work in other mediums as well (e.g. a link to their entry in IMDb) if we feel like it.

 

Characters would be done similarly.  Search for Buck Rogers and see what strips he appeared in as well as what comic books he appears in, and maybe links to other projects that might document his non-comics appearances.  And bibliography links that point to bibliography entries that discuss Buck.

 

I think we'd start with Creators as a table designed for the strip database, and then we'd use the experience we gain making that work to help us retrofit that creator table into the comic book project (the creator table itself wouldn't need to change if designed properly; the integration would mainly involve migrating our existing credits to links representing a connection of a creator with a given story/cover/whatever).  So in a sense the comic strip project is being used as a prototype for the more difficult parts of the comic book data migration.

[Mike]

Mike's vote

> Recurring magazine strips?
> ___ Yes
> _XXX__ No
>

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[Mike]

Hah! Good luck w/ that one. I've had very little help since John
Bullough and I started doing this back in the 90s.

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> * Comics Bibliography Database

[Lionel English]

<grin> I actually had you in mind when I included it.

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[Steve Cottle]

check this out,  I live near Birmingham Alabama and the major newspapers comic section has already been indexed

http://www.boydsworld.com/comics/

so this is a little boost in the correct direction i think.

-Steve

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Wow! There are so few papers for which this has actually been done.
I've been working on the Arkansas Gazette for a while but I don't have a
personal copy of the film and it is EXTREMELY tedious in the teens. You
have to look at every day because none of the strips were carried
consistently, not even the (so-called) dailies.

tony

Steve Cottle wrote:
> check this out, I live near Birmingham Alabama and the major
> newspapers comic section has already been indexed
>
> http://www.boydsworld.com/comics/
>
> so this is a little boost in the correct direction i think.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net
> <mailto:lio...@beanmar.net>> wrote:
>
> <grin> I actually had you in mind when I included it.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Mike <mrh...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mrh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hah! Good luck w/ that one. I've had very little help since John
> Bullough and I started doing this back in the 90s.
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Wow, again! I may have to make a trip to Alabam to research the
Birmingham Independent.

tony

Steve Cottle wrote:
> check this out, I live near Birmingham Alabama and the major
> newspapers comic section has already been indexed
>
> http://www.boydsworld.com/comics/
>
> so this is a little boost in the correct direction i think.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net
> <mailto:lio...@beanmar.net>> wrote:
>
> <grin> I actually had you in mind when I included it.
>
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> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Mike <mrh...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mrh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hah! Good luck w/ that one. I've had very little help since John
> Bullough and I started doing this back in the 90s.
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[Jan Roar Hansen]

This is one way the "strip/feature index" will be helpful;
when indexing strip reprints in comic books.
We have a reprint format for nespaper strips and they should be linked to
this database.
It will then show in which newspaper, comic book or magazine a story has
been printed/reprinted.

This is how inducks has done it:
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=ZM+012

Jan

Don Milne wrote:
> Thanks for the link. I'm indexing a publication that is reprinting
>some 1982 James Bond strips and this will come in handy.

- Don Milne

On 9/14/2010 4:20 PM, Jan Roar Hansen wrote:
>
> Sorry Tony, I was unclear in my question.
>
> Here is another example:
> http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/comics/index_strips.php3
>
> In addition each story should link both to reprints indexed in GCD and
> the newspaper strip database.
>
> Jan
>
> Tony Rose wrote:
>
> >I think the indexing of indexes will be in the Comics Bibliography
> Database.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Roar Hansen" <jan-...@online.no>
> To: gcd-s...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:35:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: POLL : What belongs in a strip database?
>
> Will the Newspaper Strip Database be for indexing newspaper strips

> only or will it include the "strip index" database ?
>
> (much like Art Lortie's The Saint index)

[Mike]

You're evil.

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Personally, I would rather see if we could gte Mike's and John's work as the starting point for such a database, if they wanted to that is!

 

my best

-Ray

> wrote:

> * Comics Bibliography Database

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Nice!!