Re: [gcd-strips] Re: Newspaper strip meta data

[Lionel English]

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net> wrote:

Strip meta data  -- general information about the strip.  Name of the strip. Alternate names.  Dates begun and concluded.  Creator(s).  Premise.  Genre.  Links to preceding and/or succeeding strips, if any.  Frequency.  Format(s).  Newspaper or magazine.

I wanted to look at a couple of things more closely in the above list.  For the moment, I'm waiting to see how the "include magazines" question plays out before considering the options that would introduce, but even with just newspaper strips, I wanted to look at two questions: Frequency and Format.

Frequency -- There are daily strips.  And weekly strips.  Do people have examples of biweekly, monthly, bi-monthly, or quarterly strips?  Annual strips?

Format -- Panels and daily strips.  Is Sunday a format, or is it several formats?  What are they?  What do you call things like This Modern World?  Are there other formats that need to be acknowledged?.

Panels -- for multi-panel strips, is it important, or not, to note how many panels a given strip contained?  I don't see what use the information is, given that it can vary from day to day, but if someone has a need for this, let me know and please try to explain what use it would be.

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[D.D.Degg]

Lionel English wrote:
> Frequency -- There are daily strips.  And weekly strips.  Do people have
> examples of biweekly, monthly, bi-monthly, or quarterly strips?  Annual
> strips?

THORNEY'S ZOO by Dave Thorne and CALABASH by Jon J. Murakami ran
(still run?) on alternate Sundays when they began appearing in the
Honolulu Star-Bulletin in April of 2007, which put them on a
fortnightly schedule.

D.D.Degg

[Tony Rose]

Lionel English wrote:
> Frequency -- There are daily strips.  And weekly strips.  Do people have
> examples of biweekly, monthly, bi-monthly, or quarterly strips?  Annual
> strips?

There are probably examples of bi-weekly and monthly strips in some Native American newspapers.






tony

[Tony Rose]

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>>>Format -- Panels and daily strips.  Is Sunday a format, or is it several formats?  What are they?  What do you call things like This Modern World?  Are there other formats that need to be acknowledged?.<<<

This is a good place to note that, for example, the daily "Peanuts" and the Sunday "Peanuts" are not the same strip.  Papers can carry one or the other or both.

A regular daily strip can be cut apart by a newspaper and stacked and most (American) Sunday strips are created in such a way that the first couple of panels can be deleted altogether.  Further, as I recall _Grit_, that weekly, national paper ran quite a few Sunday strips (in black and white); for at least a while, _Grit_ was cover dated as a Wednesday paper.  That said, I think just identifying a strips by its frequency might be the way to go.  "This Modern World" is a weekly.  "Blondie" is a daily.  There is also a weekly "Blondie." 





tony

[Marco Graziosi]

This is a good place to note that, for example, the daily "Peanuts" and the Sunday "Peanuts" are not the same strip.  Papers can carry one or the other or both.

On the other hand, the Peanuts is the Peanuts, and I would like to have both dailies and sundays in a single sequence. This is true especially for adventure strips such as Terry & the Pirates, in which dailies and sundays tell the same story, though usually most of the sunday strip repeats what happened during the week.

A good way to show frequency etc. would be to display yearly calendars with days of appearance in bold, like you see in many blogs. A drop-down menu might be used to choose the year. This would not be as good for monthly publications however.

Another thought, why not attach translation(s) / reprint collection(s) data to the original entry, perhaps liking to a volume catalogued in GCD, e.g.:

Dick Tracy
.
.
.
1935/05/07 (or story arc)
.
.
.
Collected: Complete Dick Tracy v.3 (link to http://www.comics.org/issue/526841/)
.
.
.
Translation: IT: Linus [issue][no][page] (link)
FR: ...

Marco

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Or by date. Stay 'Tooned mag had an article recently on all the variations a single Sunday comic strip can have. Full page, 1/2 page, three quarters, dropped panels, 2/3rd size of panels, and so on.

 

Part of my idea would be is to have the strip listed, the date of it, what format it is in and what paper it is in (etc). The format the strip is in would be the one part that would change from paper to paper when indexing. I have to make that more clear when I send here my idea on indexing strips.

 

my best

-Ray

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From: "Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net>
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Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:25:30 PM
Subject: Re: [gcd-strips] Re: Newspaper strip meta data
>>>Format -- Panels and daily strips.  Is Sunday a format, or is it several formats?  What are they?  What do you call things like This Modern World?  Are there other formats that need to be acknowledged?.<<<

This is a good place to note that, for example, the daily "Peanuts" and the Sunday "Peanuts" are not the same strip.  Papers can carry one or the other or both.

A regular daily strip can be cut apart by a newspaper and stacked and most (American) Sunday strips are created in such a way that the first couple of panels can be deleted altogether.  Further, as I recall _Grit_, that weekly, national paper ran quite a few Sunday strips (in black and white); for at least a while, _Grit_ was cover dated as a Wednesday paper.  That said, I think just identifying a strips by its frequency might be the way to go.  "This Modern World" is a weekly.  "Blondie" is a daily.  There is also a weekly "Blondie." 





tony

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And there are limited time seasonal strips that would pop up around Xmas or Easter over the years.

 

my best

-Ray

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[D.D.Degg]

> On the other hand, the Peanuts is the Peanuts...

Speaking of Peanuts UFS offers the daily strip to newspapers in two
versions: currently they are the "Classic Peanuts" daily strips from
1963 and the "Tall Peanuts" daily strips from 1997. Whereas on Sundays
newspapers are only offered "Classic Peanuts" from 1963.

Peanuts also brings up another point on the proposed data sheet.
I can applaud cataloging the 44 (or whatever) newspapers that ran
Herriman's Krazy Kat.
I can see showing what paper the early strips started in (Buster Brown
in New York Herald).
And certainly the paper exclusive strips (Jet Scott in New York Herald-
Tribune),
but do you really intend to try to list all 2000+ newspapers that run
Peanuts and Garfield and Blondie and Dilbert and FBoFW? That will take
up some major space.

D.D.Degg

[tonyr...@comcast.net]

Space is cheap and we can work out a...workable... way of displaying the
data.

tony

[Lionel English]

The local paper carries--or carried--"Classic Peanuts".  What's "Tall Peanuts"?  Is it just reprints of the original strips, like "Classic Peanuts", just from a different era?

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[D.D.Degg]

Ray wrote:
> Or by date. Stay 'Tooned mag had an article recently on all the variations a single Sunday comic strip can have. Full page, 1/2 page, three quarters, dropped panels, 2/3rd size of panels, and so on.

But, as Merlin Haas noted elsewhere, the current fashion of squeezing
as many strips as possible onto a Sunday comics page (seven or eight
to a page is not, unfortunately, uncommon these days) makes a mockery
of the traditional formats.

Two Sunday strips in the traditional half-page format are shrunk down
and published side by side. So, while containing all the panels and in
the traditional half page format, these two strips are only taking up
an eighth of a page.
The traditional third page format strip is published alongside the
vertical Non Sequitur and ends up only occupying a sixth of the page.
They regularly print the traditional quarter-page format strips six to
a page.

Back years ago Funky Winkerbean was formated to run just the last four
panels allowing papers to run it as a one tier strip (The Fusco
Brothers are also available this way).

Traditional formats no longer hold water in today's world of postage
stamp-sized comic strips.

D.D.Degg

[D.D.Degg]

Lionel English wrote:
> The local paper carries--or carried--"Classic Peanuts".  What's "Tall
> Peanuts"?  Is it just reprints of the original strips, like "Classic
> Peanuts", just from a different era?

Those would be the UFS terms for the two versions of the daily
Peanuts.
Peanuts Classic is from 1963, Peanuts Tall is from 1997.
http://www.unitedfeatures.com/?title=C:Comics

D.D.Degg

[D.D.Degg]

Lionel English wrote:
> Frequency -- There are daily strips.  And weekly strips.  Do people have
> examples of biweekly, monthly, bi-monthly, or quarterly strips?  Annual
> strips?

This just in - a monthly comic strip:
"Steve and Darren the Dog" by fifth-grader Levi Thurston will appear
in the Delphos (Ohio) Herald on the second Saturday of every month.
http://www.delphosherald.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1808:herald-welcomes-new-cartoonist&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=44
or http://tinyurl.com/2drvgnu

D.D.Degg

[Donald Dale Milne]

Heh, take a look at our other project. The GCD intends to index
every comic book ever published on the planet. We don't recognize size
as a limitation around here. :-)

- Don Milne

[Steve Cottle]

i cant wait till we start the gcd strip cataloging.  when i am on NA.com it should be easier to find specific strips in a paper.  

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I don't think we should ever worry about space. Our covers on the comic side take up way more and we are not begging for more space yet.

 

I want to be able to pull this week's local Sunday comic section and record its contents. The paper, the strip, the creators, the characters, the page it was on, the number of panel, genre, type, etc...

 

Mike Rhode said it spot on when he offered going relational and making sure its tiered. No need to repeat the same data over and over again or give everything when a search result is made. You tier it.

 

You tier the results to allow a researcher to go deeper into a strip as they want or do not want. You tier the entry of info so that you do not repeat typing. Once I enter Garfield as a strip for the Detroit Free Press December 28th, 1980 daily page, never again should anyone have to re-enter that name when they index another newspaper. And no one need to re-enter the strip for December 28, 1980 once its entered the first time, even if I am indexing the Toledo Blade from that day.

 

If we just index the strip, we are repeating Allan Holtz's work that is already there. maybe a little broader in the papers use, but that is all that it will be. I encourage a different route on that.

 

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-Ray

> On the other hand, the Peanuts is the Peanuts...

Speaking of Peanuts UFS offers the daily strip to newspapers in two
versions: currently they are the "Classic Peanuts" daily strips from
1963 and the "Tall Peanuts" daily strips from 1997. Whereas on Sundays
newspapers are only offered "Classic Peanuts" from 1963.

Peanuts also brings up another point on the proposed data sheet.
I can applaud cataloging the 44 (or whatever) newspapers that ran
Herriman's Krazy Kat.
I can see showing what paper the early strips started in (Buster Brown
in New York Herald).
And certainly the paper exclusive strips (Jet Scott in New York Herald-
Tribune),
but do you really intend to try to list all 2000+ newspapers that run
Peanuts and Garfield and Blondie and Dilbert and FBoFW? That will take
up some major space.

D.D.Degg

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We will be indexing both, so we will need listings of traditional formats and listings of what is being done to formatting of the strips today too.

 

my best

-Ray

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Ray wrote:
> Or by date. Stay 'Tooned mag had an article recently on all the variations a 
single Sunday comic strip can have. Full page, 1/2 page, three quarters, dropped 
panels, 2/3rd size of panels, and so on.

But, as Merlin Haas noted elsewhere, the current fashion of squeezing
as many strips as possible onto a Sunday comics page (seven or eight
to a page is not, unfortunately, uncommon these days) makes a mockery
of the traditional formats.

Two Sunday strips in the traditional half-page format are shrunk down
and published side by side. So, while containing all the panels and in
the traditional half page format, these two strips are only taking up
an eighth of a page.
The traditional third page format strip is published alongside the
vertical Non Sequitur and ends up only occupying a sixth of the page.
They regularly print the traditional quarter-page format strips six to
a page.

Back years ago Funky Winkerbean was formated to run just the last four
panels allowing papers to run it as a one tier strip (The Fusco
Brothers are also available this way).

Traditional formats no longer hold water in today's world of postage
stamp-sized comic strips.

D.D.Degg

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