That genres should only be allowed with certain sequences
Jim Van Dore
Mark
Definitely, lots of sequences shouldn't have genre, I would almost be
happy to only see it against covers and stories.
Opinion as follows:
Comic Story - yes
Cover - yes
Text Article - no
Text Story - yes
Activity - no
Advertisement - no
Blank Page(s) - hehe, YES!
Cartoon - yes
Cover Reprint (on interior page) - yes
Credits - no
Filler - yes
Foreword, Introduction, preface, afterward - no
Insert or dust jacket - no
Letters page - no
Public Service Announcement - no
Photo Story - yes
Illustration - (was Pinup). .. hrmm maybe?
Character Profile - yes
Promo (ad from the publisher) - no
Recap - no?
Statement of Ownership - no
Table of Contents - no
There we go!
Mark
Bob Hughes
At 06:56 PM 2/22/2012, you wrote:
On 22 February 2012 22:19, Jim Van Dore <jrva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It has been suggested here that genre may only apply to certain sequences.
> Â Perhaps this can be determined by sequence type.
Bob Hughes
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Tony Rose
tony
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Subject: [gcd-genre] That genres should only be allowed with certain sequences
Tony Rose
tony
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James Ludwig
then work for comic ads etc
Lionel English
Lionel English
lio...@beanmar.net
Tony Rose
tr
From: "Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net>
To: gcd-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:20:12 AM
Subject: Re: [gcd-genre] That genres should only be allowed with certain sequences
Jim Van Dore
Tony Rose
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:53:48 PM
Lionel English
Jim Van Dore
Lionel English
Jim Van Dore
connection between this idea and the "is_comics" idea, which has yet
to be decided on.
Unless someone puts forward a specific proposal in the next few days,
I will consider this question dead.
Jim
On Feb 23, 6:50 pm, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net> wrote:
> Welllll...... I think an unused or alternate cover is more like a cartoon
> than an illustration :-)
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> > To play devil's advocate...
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> > What do you do with something like an unused cover stuck in the back of a
> > floppy or printed in an Omnibus? You can't call it a cover reprint, since
> > it isn't reprinted from anything. And it is connected to the story's
> > feature as much as an actual cover. How is that not an illustration with a
> > feature (and therefore genre)?
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> > Jim
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> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Lionel English <lio...@beanmar.net>wrote:
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> >> I think they shouldn't.
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> >> And if a Who's Who or Marvel Universe Handbook page *has* a feature,
> >> would that feature be the character profiled, or Marvel Universe Handbook
> >> or Who's Who in the DCU? Similarly an illustration may "feature" a
> >> character, but I don't think the character is the Feature of the
> >> illustration--I don't think illustrations have a Feature.
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> >>> I'm not sure that things like character profiles and illustrations
> >>> should have genre. I'll have to think about that.
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> >>> tony
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> >>> *From: *"Jim Van Dore" <jrvand...@gmail.com>
> >>> *To: *gcd-...@googlegroups.com
> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:53:48 PM
> >>> *Subject: *Re: [gcd-genre] That genres should only be allowed with
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> >>> I'll probably go through the list of types like Mark did because I am
> >>> having a hard time coming up with sequences that to my mind couldn't
> >>> potentially have enough narrative content or association to have genres.
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> >>> And if genre follows feature, and if we assign feature to things like
> >>> character profile and illustration, than those types have genre.
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> >>> Jim
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> >>>> I forgot about text stories.
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> >>>> tr
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> >>>> *From: *"Lionel English" <lio...@beanmar.net>
> >>>> *To: *gcd-...@googlegroups.com
> >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:20:12 AM
> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [gcd-genre] That genres should only be allowed with
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> >>>> We haven't actually defined that yet :-)
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> >>>> And text stories could have genres.
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> >>>> And I'm not sure ads would have genres, even if in comic form. Though
> >>>> that one's probably debatable.
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> >>>>> I'd limit genre to the "is_comics" sequences only.
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> >>>>> tony
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> >>>>> *From: *"Jim Van Dore" <jrvand...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To: *"gcd-genre" <gcd-...@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:19:13 PM
> >>>>> *Subject: *[gcd-genre] That genres should only be allowed with
Brian Saner Lamken
Tony Rose wrote:
> I'd limit genre to the "is_comics" sequences only.
Really? Do you meant that you wouldn't apply them to covers or have you fallen prey to Jochen's misunderstanding that the flag is intended to designate sequences one expects to find in comics publications (my personal favorite 'Family Feud' category) as opposed to sequences that are presented in comics form?
BSL
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Brian Saner Lamken
Jim Van Dore wrote:
> Unless someone puts forward a specific proposal in the next few days,
> I will consider this question dead.
I'd propose something like this:
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A Genre (or Genres) can [or: should] be applied to any Sequence Type with a narrative or illustrative purpose.
Sequences of Type Comics Story, Photo Story, and Text Story almost always take a Genre.
Sequences of Type Cartoon, Illustration, Filler, Cover, Dustjacket, and Cover Reprint often do, particularly if tied to a Feature.
Sequences of Type Advertisement or Promo rarely take a Genre unless tied to a comics-related Feature.
Sequences of Type Activity, Credits, Foreword (etc.), Insert, Character Profile, Recap, and Table of Contents do not usually take a Genre, but they may if presented in panel-to-panel form [or: if the Sequence has the "in comics" designation flagged], or if tied to a recognizable Feature, or if the content of the Sequence is substantially tied to the Type it is given but there is also content in the sequence that on its own would be given a Type that *does* normally take a Genre, i.e. a Foreword presented as a strip or a Credits page with Feature-related artwork.
Sequences of Type Blank Page, Text Article, and Statement of Ownership cannot take a Genre by definition.
***
We could rework the language to mandate that certain Types must or must not take Genres. I'm not trying to be wishy-washy, just unsure whether we want to make recommendations in this area to the Board, and for the Board to potentially pass on to Policy, in terms of guidelines or absolute rules.
I'm also personally of the mind that Recap and Character Profile would take the Genre of the Feature to which the material is tied, but the idea wasn't to put forth my own agenda so much as create a framework based on what makes sense to me *and* what seems to reflect majority acceptance.
BSL
Brian Saner Lamken
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Brian Saner Lamken
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Tony Rose
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