Bébé Marais - Baby Marais!
jonatha...@gmail.com
Hello,
Je suis très content que tout de suite nous sommes 30!
I'm very happy that so quickly we've become 30!
Il se peut que vous savez déjà
Maybe you know already
Mais nous avons découvert un nouveau portrait de Marais beaucoup plus
jeune que l'autre portrait connu
But we have discovered a new painting of Marais much younger than the
other known painting
details ici/here :
http://www.a2violes.com/new/html/pages/recherches/1.html
(For the English speaking part of our list shout out if you want
details (summary) of the page listed above.)
bildedoodah
definitely should be made aware of this work. Please post a summary in
English.
Best wishes.
bill
On Aug 13, 11:32 am, "jonathandunf...@gmail.com"
jonatha...@gmail.com
Here I will make succinct resumé of the research that we have done on
the Marais painting as described here :
http://www.a2violes.com/new/html/pages/recherches/1.html
pour les francophones il faudrait juste suivre le lien ci-dessus.
Two years ago my wife bought and old 17th century French viol. Many
people, including instrument makers said that the instrument just
might be the same that appears in a painting that is now in the museum
of the castle of Blois.
A few years before when I wrote my feature article on Marais for
Goldberg :
http://www.goldbergweb.com/en/magazine/composers/2003/12/18206.php
I had brought up the subject (in a little article in the article) that
the painting in Blois was not Schenck as previously thought and was
probably Marais.
In February 2006 we spent the whole day in Blois looking at the
painting and consulting the archives. We decided that my wife's viol
was very similar but not the same as the one in the painting.
Here are the tons of pictures of the painting at close range as well
as my wife's viol (in the suitcase "viol")
http://www.a2violes.com/blois/
The archives revealed that in fact when the painting was acquired,
before 1861 it was described as being "Marin Marais" and by the
painter Jean Dieu dit Saint Jean.
Remember this was at a time when nobody cared for the viol or knew
about Marais!
Many museum records as well as local newspapers repeated this until in
1960 other people became involved.
Firstly the art historian Miromonde in 1965 saw only 6 stings on the
viol (there are very clearly 7 look at my own photos from above) and
as the viol was in a similar position (posed on a chair) to an
engraving of Schenck by his brother Pieter many stated that the
painting was a picture of Schenck by the painter Netscher.
Nobody thought of verifying this wild speculation, simple things like
looking at the facial features (Schenck doesn't look anything like
Marais, take a look at the engraving in the site listed above at the
beginning of this post).
In fact an article had been published (an subsequently overlooked) by
a certain Tessier in 1924, where he again confirms the painting is
Marais and finds the signature of the painter.
This signature is very obscure, and I subsequently succeeded in
catching it by literally taking hundreds of close range digital
pictures. The result is also on the site mentioned above.
Jean Dieu the painter was a close friend of Marais. He was godfather
to Jean-Louis Marais one of Marais' sons.
Now that all of this had been established with crystal clarity the
dating of the painting was in question. Until we luckily found a book
written by Jal in 1867 before the Parisian archives were burnt. He
copies out all of Jean Dieu's records, and we discover that he was
buried in the St. gervais church in 1695.
Therefore the painting was probably made before Marais published his
first book of viol pieces. Why do you ask?
Because on top of all, the music lying underneath his viol is a
manuscript copy of the third prelude in his first book. It is even
title "Prelude de Mr Marais"!
In any case the French press went wild about this. Florence Getreau
published a long article for the Centre Musique de Baroque de
Versailles in their book about Marais "Grandes Journées". An article I
cosigned with the historian Corinne Vaast is forthcoming for Musique-
Images-Instruments. We were also invited this year to present Marais'
music at the castle in Blois.
If you have any questions, or want more details just shout out!
Maud SPOUTIL
Bonjour !
Merci pour cette info !!!
Cette peinture que je croyais une gravure m'intrigue depuis 2 ans déjà...!
Merci pour les photos et encore bravo pour les créations de ce dernier concert à l'Alternat.!
Bonjour à Sylvia, thomas et toi !!! et à bientôt.
Maud
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bildedoodah
wild." I'd be surprised if the story doesn't make a splash in the
Anglophone gamba world. The evidence trail has intrinsic drama with so
many questions still to be answered: was your viol made by the same
luthier as the one belonging to Marais? What happened to Marais' viol,
and where has yours been all these years? Whose idea was it to include
the manuscript in the painting and why? In the hands of a good writer,
who knows, perhaps "Matins II."
jonatha...@gmail.com
(French translation short)
Il n'est pas étonné que la presse en France était intéresser par ce
tableau.
Cela dit mon article pose plusieurs questions :
- est-ce que notre viole a été fabriquée par le même luthier que celui
de Marais?
- Qu'est-ce qu'elle est devenue la viole dans le tableau?
- Ou était la notre toutes ces années?
- Qui avait l'idée de mettre la manuscrit de musique dans le tableau
et pourquoi?
Avec tout cela un bon écrivain peut écrire Tous les Matins de Monde le
retour!
Fanchon
de la "Suitte d'un goût étranger" de Marais par Jordi Savall.
Dans la version CD (ASTREE) de l'ancien enregistrement de Jordi Savall
(1977, avec Ton Koopman et Hopkinson Smith), le tableau est à l'envers
et présenté sur la pochette comme étant le portrait de J. Schenk par
C. Netscher (!)
Cette pochette date probablement d'avant la découverte de Jonathan
Dunford.
C'est quand-même rigolo de penser qu'ils ont mis un portrait du bon
compositeur sans le savoir !
Pour le tout nouvel enregistrement (2007, avec Pierre Hantaï, Philippe
Pierlot, Rolf Lislevand, etc.), le tableau est bien à l'endroit, mais
je ne sais pas comment il est répertorié parce que je n'ai pas encore
acheté le CD...
Ici pour les illustrations des deux pochettes de CD :
marais
painting is on the new Jordi Savall album as well as an old one in
1977.
In fact I put it on our Marais album before Jordi did :
Here is the back cover and unlike the recent Savall album where the
painting is still attributed to Netscher on ours it is attributed to
the correct painter, Jean Dieu dit Saint Jean
http://www.a2violes.com/new/html/pages/disco/son/marais_coffret.html
En fait j'avais mis le tableau sur notre coffret Marais sorti avant le
disque de Savall. Cliquez sur les signets ci-dessus. Sur la pochette
de CD Savall le tableau est toujours attribué à Netscher. Diapason du
mois de octobre 2006 a fait une belle page sur le tableau et nos
respectives enregistrements.
marais
Voici l'article paru dans Diapason au mois d'octobre 2006
http://www.a2violes.com/new/html/images/diapason.jpg
After posting the previous message I realised that in fact on the back
cover of my CD the painter is "anonymous". It is attributed to Jean
Dieu dit Saint Jean inside the booklet.
Aussi je me suis rendu compte que sur la pochette de mon propre CD le
tableau est attribué "anonyme" mais dans le livret il y a une page où
il est spécifié qu'il était par Jean Dieu dit Saint Jean