Interested in the fantastic GS401…
Welcome aboard,
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I've spent a number of years in the audio business.
The problem with center channel speakers in the theater business is they handle 70% (some claim 85%) or more of all the content. Thus shoving some tiny box under a TV is not going to make for happy listeners.
The speaker should have equal or greater capabilities than the Left or Right speakers. Another Gale would be well suited for the Center speaker.
John
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Thanks, John, for the warm welcome. Yes, a new owner of a pair of Gale 401 Chrome that are bringing much enjoyment after a long search. I'll post picture when time permits. One question, meanwhile, has anyone found a centre speaker that matches well with the Gales? (A third Gale isn't an option)
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John is correct, timbre matching is important for a center channel.
Jack
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I've spent a number of years in the audio business.
The problem with center channel speakers in the theater business is they handle 70% (some claim 85%) or more of all the content. Thus shoving some tiny box under a TV is not going to make for happy listeners.
The speaker should have equal or greater capabilities than the Left or Right speakers. Another Gale would be well suited for the Center speaker.
John
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Thanks, John, for the warm welcome. Yes, a new owner of a pair of Gale 401 Chrome that are bringing much enjoyment after a long search. I'll post picture when time permits. One question, meanwhile, has anyone found a centre speaker that matches well with the Gales? (A third Gale isn't an option)
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I have two amp systems, a vintage stereo amp for my music that just runs the two huge fronts then a 2004 7.1 that runs the same fronts plus the rest in the 7.1. My centre is a relatively small Tannoy but solid box (two small mid bass and a tweeter), The 7.1 channel Sony can be setup accordingly to balance the sound but to have it the size of the two huge Technics SB-8000's would be prohibative. However the sound for TV/film is incredibly good with the sound stage very impressive.
Is it an option to run your system separately like this?
Nearest thing to 401/402 I’ve heard are the (smaller) ATC SCM19
Only ever set up stereo, but presumably impedance matching & efficiency is important ?
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I also think running a 7.1 system for audio is a completely different beast, I only ever use mine for TV/films etc and not music, music always plays out through the older 70's gear as otherwise it just doesn't sound right. I've always had it split that way and it seems to work, however I've recently bought an old Sony SCD-XA9000ES SACD player having never owned or experienced one I'm keen to see what it sounds like through the 7.1 set up.
On 20/09/2017 08:53:02, Toby <tob...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Nice John, how do you upload a photo to the site to add it to a post?
I also think running a 7.1 system for audio is a completely different beast, I only ever use mine for TV/films etc and not music, music always plays out through the older 70's gear as otherwise it just doesn't sound right. I've always had it split that way and it seems to work, however I've recently bought an old Sony SCD-XA9000ES SACD player having never owned or experienced one I'm keen to see what it sounds like through the 7.1 set up.
I have thought of adding a speaker under the sofa but with the huge fronts producing so much bass and the 7 x 200 watt RMS from the Sony TA-DA9000ES I don't think I need it. I need to get a new laser for my SCD-XA9000ES SACD player, try an get into finding more discs to listen to.
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Thanks Mike, I'll give it a go, it won't let me copy and paste a picture in from this post on my phone, oddly.
I have thought of adding a speaker under the sofa but with the huge fronts producing so much bass and the 7 x 200 watt RMS from the Sony TA-DA9000ES I don't think I need it. I need to get a new laser for my SCD-XA9000ES SACD player, try an get into finding more discs to listen to.
Having run frequency response tests for years, a linear phase response (without large anomalies) is by far the best indicator of whether you’ll like a speaker for many years. In order to do it, you’ll need superb impulse (ETC).
The best I’ve measured? The Hill Plasmatronics. Here’s a frequency and phase response measured by my friend Jay from 1 kHz to 20 kHz.
A ridiculously complicated speaker (each contains its own helium tank) not practical for home use. I suppose that’s why I bought a pair.
Second best- Quad Electrostatics (ELS-63).
Here’s a quote from Stereophile, “Of the speakers I have measured for Stereophile, only about 10—models from Quad, Thiel, Dunlavy, Spica, and Vandersteen—have step responses (an impulse or ETC) this good.”
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/measuring-loudspeakers-part-two-page-3#7FAzYtVHf526pZDb.99
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Having run frequency response tests for years, a linear phase response (without large anomalies) is by far the best indicator of whether you’ll like a speaker for many years. In order to do it, you’ll need superb impulse (ETC).
The best I’ve measured? The Hill Plasmatronics. Here’s a frequency and phase response measured by my friend Jay from 1 kHz to 20 kHz.
A ridiculously complicated speaker (each contains its own helium tank) not practical for home use. I suppose that’s why I bought a pair.
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Fascinating device. There’s some inherent DSP delay, but it’s set correctly to provide a quality response. All else being relative- who’s going to notice?
Sort of a cake and eat it too with a moving coil. Sweet indeed.
Generally the delay can be dealt with by mechanically moving the components backwards and forwards (think Wilson and Spica), but the crossover anomalies in coiled speakers require processing to sort out. Any speaker that does not have a crossover point in the passband of greatest human listening acuity (i.e. that marvelous Peerless midrange in the Gale) has obvious benefits. And it’s why they sound so good.
You do not want a crossover in the 500- 4 kHz range (that’s why the old telephones sounded so “natural”). The GS401’s crossover center points were 475 Hz and 5 kHz.
John Mayberry
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If you really want low frequencies, there’s only one solution.
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/eminent-technology-trw-17-rotary-subwoofer
John Mayberry
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If you really want low frequencies, there’s only one solution.
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/eminent-technology-trw-17-rotary-subwoofer
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Thanks Mike, I'll give it a go, it won't let me copy and paste a picture in from this post on my phone, oddly.
I have thought of adding a speaker under the sofa but with the huge fronts producing so much bass and the 7 x 200 watt RMS from the Sony TA-DA9000ES I don't think I need it. I need to get a new laser for my SCD-XA9000ES SACD player, try an get into finding more discs to listen to.
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That subwoofer is amazing! A quick question. How do the Gale 401a do when close to side walls? At present the speakers are well away from the front wall and side walls, and sound fantastic but some house renovations mean that in all likelyhood they will have to be moved into a smaller room (16’x12’) which will have it’s benefits but does necessitate the speakers being closer to the side walls.
Because they’re infinite baffle sealed boxes the Gales are quite flexible in room positioning, particularly regarding bass interaction with the rear wall (unlike rear-ported speakers).
Too close to a side wall and you may get unwanted reflections which can muddy the sound stage.
The treble and mid pots were originally designed to balance the response at the manufacturing stage, and weren’t meant to be fiddled with by the listener, which of course people soon ignored.
The only way to get a good room balance is by repeated listening to few reference tracks (which obviously must have a full range of frequencies) and moving the speakers around, sometimes only a small distance at a time – a lengthy procedure, unless you’re lucky first time.
Along with listening from the desired seat (which hopefully also becomes the sweet spot) walking around the room may give extra information about frequency interactions such as undesirable bass reinforcement, or cancellation.
If you can hook up a computer, a tone generator may also be useful – you should be able to hear at least down to 35Hz
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I’ve always thought remote controlled, motorised speaker bases/stands to rotate the speakers from your listening position would be great for setting up, you could hear a more consistent change to the music you are listening to with immediate affect, opposed to traversing back and forth moving the speakers then relistening etc.
I’ll try that with my wife Berris and let you know how I get on! ;-)
It would be interesting to try the gales on some of these very new amps with test tones and a microphone at the listening position to set up the sound delivery. I suspect they would sound incredibly good!
Adding subwoofers is always a hit and miss affair. Some get lucky, some don’t. Most fail.
Having spent years doing it (mainly for professional applications) the key is placement, trying to match the Q of the speakers, levels, crossover points, polarity, and lots of lots of patience. A well matched systems is golden. Unfortunately, 95% of the are the exact opposite.
Tough call.
John
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I'm still enjoying these amazing speakers with a set-up involving a nice valve pre-amp and 200W solid-state power amplifier all set-up in a 12'x 16'x 10' room with corner bass traps and sidewall bookcases. The set-up is dedicated to two-channel music . I'm getting in-room bass that starts to roll-off at about 80Hz but, subjectively, the bass / mid-bass seems to work. The reason for the post is that I'm re-visiting the idea of adding one or two sub-woofers and keen to hear from anyone who has gone down this path. Any and all advice would be much appreciated.
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I’ve always has speakers on stands that are the right height to ensure the tweeter is at ear height. The Gale 401 are different however as thethat the original stands were, from memory, about 20” meaning the tweeter is a lot lower than is usually the case - some 15-20cm below war height. What is the reason for this design? And has anyone tried stands that bring tweeter to ear height?
Interested in the fantastic GS401…
Welcome aboard,
John
John Mayberry
VP, Engineering
Emmaco, Inc.