How do the markets end up being fixed?
steve
> > The bottom line is , the people inside any company, along with OR
> > hedge funds and brokers and money market people and dervivative can often if not ALWAYS bet successfully against
> > average
> > investor by going opposite the most investor sentiment often with borrowed cash and elicit automatic losses over and over again and how in the world don't congress know about.
Think about it who would have to be on the fix? The Cabinet, the
Congress, the Brokers, the hedge funds and especially the news media
who ignore it as much as the politicians..
Its like living in the twilight zone and make no mistake about it, its
really happened. The losses are history, trillions...
to think that the US markets are fixed is almost surreal , its almost
too hard to imagine
but its all true and its surreal. You then get a glimpse we are not
really free
they take your money in the stock your in usually long..... down and
then often
take the stock
you are no longer in up and continously steal by moving the scam
around based on what trades you do. This is the biggest fix in
history
and its like its surreal . My brother saw this years ago and never
invested... he was smart. He doesn't stay in dysfunction mode. I
can't
believe all this is true and lost allot of money saying to myself this
couldn't be happening but it is.. the dream is a nightmare....forget
pollution which is also equally disheartening from coal and cars but
at least we are suppose to be doing something about that after years
of complaining! But with the markets the fixing and control is totally
ignored.. the raping continues...
they worrya bout mortgages but not set up to take investors money in
a
ponzi shell system where once your money shows its played against by
hedge money and insiders and brokerage and money managers .Most
investors and
families have lost big time by the trillions in the
the last ten years.by fixing the markets in the biggest shell scam
ever and nothing is even mentioned about it? Politicians and news
media still ignore the automatic loss of your money in the last ten
year
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The news people ......
> like they care what is
> happening to people who make 200 times less then they do. The news
> people never ever ask about violent crime or why more people get
> raped
> by Market makers and hedge funds and nothing to this second is going
> to change that ... While Verizon and AOL and Yahoo and Google limit isp access or
> limit the number of posts you are allowed. But The freedom to cheat commit robbery and fraud is constant IF YOUR
> your part of the rich that can rape automatically without anyone saying anything. > This > > has to be worse then Russias, I can't imagine a system possibly worse or anything possibly
> > worse.If the goal of the market is to take investors money over and
> > over then this has to be the best set up possible yet the politicians and market people simply
> > ignore what really needs to be done to correct things.like FRAUD and laws to enrich special groups!!! I can just
> > imagine if people had to put their retirement funds
> > into this where they would be right now like the President wanted!!!!
> > Best markets he said? Ha after more people continually are raped by
> > rules for the rich and its totally ignored !!
Here is a link to executives who recently retired before their
> companies went down the tubes
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/business/stories/2008/09/25/ceo_p...
> - Gambling is the only way to play a "market" that's 100% rigged, unless
you know how to play the fix....
No longer can someone research a company, review its balance sheet
and
future prospects, and invest in that company...All boats rise and
fall
with the tide, and the manipulation precludes making investments in a
single company based on its merits....
> >Anyone that claims they can grasp this crap is lying or deluded.
>so how do you play the fixes?
you go short?
Guess what when enough money goes short (your money) or long it will
rise or fall based on how much of your money needs to be taken out!
There are enough stocks to divide the market into so many mini
markets
that your money shows up to be played against whatever way you go.
New rules enacted in the last five years almost assures the
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> > rape of investors. To call this a free market is like calling
> > particulate pollution that harms : moderate.
> > This is what happens when truth is sabotaged and our news media which
> > is consolidated ignores reality over and over again. They rather
> > give you weather and traffic every ten minutes and talk about movie
> > stars. I can't imagine
> > this is what we are fighting to give other countries. Some fking
> > freedom..
> > > > The US stock market due to hedge funds and derivatives and complex
> > > finances ++ cheap internet trades allows the family investment and
> > > your dollars to be taken over and over again . by money market
> > > people
> > > and hedge funds and the Congres and News ignores it. alll
> > The goal of the market is to take average investors to cleaners, to
> > reach into the pocket of the other guy
> > and take his money. The goal was never to ascertain true value of a
> > stock or invest in a company at least not since 2000 when new rules
> > were written. In fact many companies stocks has lost
> > value even if the companies own managers ok or know about hedge funds
> > to rape their
> > own
> > investors .
> > and they do that by not doing anything to counter and
> > maybe even develop their own funds! . But that possibility aside/
> > hedge
> > funds and derivative trading .load the system against investor
> > sentiment with huge loads of borrowed cash legally. This is legal
> > robbery Who loses? the average investor. You have to be nuts to
> > invest
> > in this market. Its a complete complex legal set up
> > The bottom line is , the people inside any company, along with OR
> > hedge funds and dervivative can often bet successfully against
> > average
> > investor by going opposite most investor sentiment.. Its that simple!!!!!!
> > the. In effect our
> > govt financial system was and Is dependent on futures and hedges in
> > order to work in a dysfunctional way for investors . Volatility and
> > market stablization was
> > never a goal. The goal was to take more money from more people and do
> > it legally over and over again in the fastest amount of time.. They
> > succeeded.
> > -
> >Themarkets took more money then anything else combined in history in
> > > the last decade (trillions) and where no one who wasn't a money
> > > market
> > > person or hedge fund has gained for ten years even in so called record high markets!!!!!
> > > Solution? Simple No market makers and no more hedge funds, but then again that won't
> > > happen because the people in control don't like to see your money not
> > > taken to the cleaners.
> > > someone wanted to know why a companies stock goes up when it don't
> > > beat estimate sometimes and when it does beat estimate it sometimes goes down lol
> > > Thats easy because there was more money to be equalized or taken
> > > long or short WHICEVER WAY OPPOSITE MOST PRESENT INVESTOR MONEY LOL so whichever side was loaded more of, the brokers will slant the story so the brokers and market makers can make an excuse why the numbers allowed the stock to
> > > tank or rise relative to how much money can be taken!! ! ... ... from whichever side had the most invested at the time long or short. the makers will then go opposite automatically raping and stealing money LeGALLY and no one says anything? .. the biggest fix in the world
> > > continues and they call this free markets? or Free RACkETS
> > > Stocks are set up for insiders , hedge funds and brokers where most
> > > investors automatically lose' once in long and the stock is taken
> > > down to assure automatic loss over and over again . Once you get out
> > > the stock is allowed to be taken up without your money often fast and
> > > within seconds often when stocks open so as not to risk anyone being
> > > part of that uprise so as to seem like the stock isnt' at all time
> > > low but heck they can do that too to get you to leave. by shaking you
> > > out
> > > I repeat do not invest in the USmarekt long its the biggest set up
> > > and
> > > ponzi scam in history
> > > The s market as it is now
> > > allows stocks to go up the most when the fewest people are in
> > > the actual stocks .....
> > > thats how messed up this ponzi system is. the stock market can be at
> > > an all time high but the fewest real investors are in the stocks
> > > gaining. The people who can bring it
> > > up have unlimited power to make a market where the only goal is to
> > > attact new investors so as when you follow investor sentimet the mms
> > > and hedge funds see blood and take your money automatically down or
> > > short it. NOW this is automatic robbery
> > > So even though a market can be
> > > up the stocks that have most investor sentiment can be played against
> > > till they always lose hence the market is shill, ponzi scam...Its
> > > like
> > > a guy in parking lot with 3 shells and a ball , he gives you 4 to 1
> > > oudds if you tell him which shell the ball is under except YOU can't
> > > win.. A shill there who works with the guy can but you can't . Its
> > > the
> > > eXACT same for stocks. The wonderful stocks that go up the most are
> > > usually talked about after the fact and I guarantee your not in
> > > them... those stories are not about you being in them!!! Thats no
> > > accident!!! the insiders and hedges and market makers
> > > often
> > > tell each other where the most money is to be played against you
> > > hence
> > > the more money with your money invested the more you lose! There is
> > > no goal to keep
> > > markets vital or
> > > company vital the goal is to ass rape investors . They say investors
> > > buy and sell .. well yeah if the market maker is allowed to go up and
> > > down as high and low as he can now more like the pink sheets , so
> > > how
> > > in the hell can you blame the
> > > investor for daytrading? Hello what kind of messed up system is this
> > > who in the hell thinks this is freemarket.. We need electric trades
> > > not more market makers
> > > free market ? My ass free market to rob from investors! Tell
> > > everyone
> > > you know to not invest and when you see stocks rise don't jump in
> > > they
> > > will target you. the us market is not a fair or free system, its the most fixed things on
> > > earth. One final note never ever put allot of money on a horse either
> > > it willl lose much more often then every favorite for example without
> > > your money on it.. and while I write there there are more ways for
> > > newsgroups and sites like google and craigslist and Verizon and Yahoo to o censure or
> > > deny
> > > isp accesss . so please
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