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Nitro

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May 24, 2002, 12:04:36 PM5/24/02
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Hey everyone.

My friend Dk_Luis alerted me of some guy who has ripped off some of his
artwork.

I'm sure some of you have heard of him. His names Husky, and his website
seems to revolve around doing a bad job at copying peoples artwork and
passing them off as his own.

http://members.ams.chello.nl/a.h.vd.braak/artwork2/requests/imagepages/Eevee
s%20partner.html

The original of that was done by DK_L and was of a wolf and Snow leopard. It
can be seen here:
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/DK/Sketches/wolf_snowkittie.jpg

http://members.ams.chello.nl/a.h.vd.braak/artwork2/recent/imagepages/Awaitin
g%20Eevee.html

The original:
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/DK/Sketches/wet_wolf.jpg

If that's not a direct rip, I don't know what is...

This guy doesn't even credit the original artists for the pictures he has
copied. There are lots of other artists that have had their work copied and
put on that site. It really annoys me, and I'm not even the one getting my
work copied!

I don't like stirring things up, but when something like this happens, it's
very very annoying =/

I think something needs to be done about that site..

Thanks for reading,

-Nitro


The Pittman

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May 24, 2002, 12:45:14 PM5/24/02
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Well I just checked it out too, did a layover of the two in Photoshop. They
are an exact match even down too the claws on the paws. No I don't have a
problem with people using others work to learn how to draw, sometimes it's
even the best way to learn without taking classes. But I do have to agree
that he should have sited his reference of the pic for the simple fact that
it is a tracing of the original work, which is not using the pose to learn
how to draw. It's a cheap way of making yourself look better than you are.

I've checked out the hosted web site and some of ya might want to take a
look. http://www.husky.d2g.com This is the blurb on the home page:

---Begin---
DISCLAIMER

This web-site is a modification, colouring and inking service. All pictures
that have been modified from the real author have been done as a fanart.
None of the images you can find here are drawn by the creator of this
website, only modified by permission! All copyrights go to the respective
owners. No non-modified pictures will be posted on this web-site. If you
want a picture to be removed because a picture has been altered without your
permission then please let me know. I will immediately remove the image
asap.
Further note: The creator hasn't created this web-site to bring any sexual
thoughts about animals!! No animals were hurt during making these pictures
and never will be. The erotic artwork you're about to see is only meant for
21 years and older.

All images are low secure protected from saving to disk and printing, please
do not copy nor alter. Posting pictures on a newsgroup is without permission
highly forbidden. Image-inking/coloring can be requested for posting here.
---End---

Might want to check to see if your work is there too.

--Pittman


"Nitro"

A. Seraph

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May 24, 2002, 1:38:55 PM5/24/02
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The problem is, that 'by permission' he means 'I went ahead and did it and
they haven't told me to take it down yet.'

Except that I asked them to -STOP- using my work, and they haven't. I would
have let them keep the tracings, but several of the pics weren't even
traced, large sections were left with the original lines intact. Not to
mention my signiature!

Anyways, I don't really have the resources to take any legal action against
this guy. It wouldn't be worth my time. so I guess I'll leave it as a
warning.

-Seraph


Ian Kubitza

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May 24, 2002, 1:32:27 PM5/24/02
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I came across this webpage yesterday too... small world.

Personally, when I read the disclaimer and such, I interpreted it as this
Husky fellow was not taking any credit whatsoever for the drawings. Just the
coloration, inking, and whatever other digital effects added to the original
pictures.

In fact, looking at some of the pictures, I even noticed he kept the
original copyrights to the respective artists on the pictures.

So is what they are doing wrong? They've offered to take down pictures
without hesitation if the original artist comes forth and requests that it
be done so.

Personally, I can see nothing more than this person getting a talking to
about re-posting artwork without permission (Heck, the guy even PROTECTED
the works from being downloaded. I think that, given what he was doing,
that's a decent thing to do), but at absolute maximum, a slap on the wrist
is probably the worst punishment they... deserve? I don't even think that's
the right word.

But chastizing them, calling them crappy copycat, and generally belittling
them... I don't see where that's warranted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

On a side note, this clarly re-iterates to me the importance of gaining
permission from an artist before coloring their artwork and sending them the
results. Killing two birds with one stone.


--
Ian Kubitza,
AKA Sarah Skunkie
http://www.livejournal.com/users/sarahskunkie/


The Pittman

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May 24, 2002, 1:47:50 PM5/24/02
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The biggest part of it is that he/her didn't ask for permission first, which
is the proper way to go about it. All of the colorings that I do for other
artist, I make sure I ask permission first to color and then to post.
Granted he/her does have a disclaimer on the homepage, and took great
lengths to protect the work which can easily be by passed, but he/her is
encouraging people to take others work and modify it by following his/her
example. If a fan wants to be true to the artist they should respect the
wishes of the artist. As referring to the crappy copying that was directed
toward the artist of the link that was posted, not the host site. That
person traced another work changed the head and called it his/her own,
without sighting the original work.

--Pittman

"Ian Kubitza"

Ian Kubitza

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May 24, 2002, 3:51:26 PM5/24/02
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> The biggest part of it is that he/her didn't ask for permission first,
which
> is the proper way to go about it. All of the colorings that I do for
other
> artist, I make sure I ask permission first to color and then to post.
> Granted he/her does have a disclaimer on the homepage, and took great
> lengths to protect the work which can easily be by passed, but he/her is
> encouraging people to take others work and modify it by following his/her
> example. If a fan wants to be true to the artist they should respect the
> wishes of the artist.

Point.

As referring to the crappy copying that was directed
> toward the artist of the link that was posted, not the host site. That
> person traced another work changed the head and called it his/her own,
> without sighting the original work.

I see. Thanks for clearing that up. ^.^

ilr

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May 25, 2002, 12:38:17 AM5/25/02
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Well, it looks like it got nuked. Problem solved, for now.

"A. Seraph" <Kab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:acltc3$23ni$1...@velox.critter.net...

Foxczer

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May 25, 2002, 7:27:45 PM5/25/02
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Looks like all the pics on the links you posted were already deleted. The
site only has pics of Krystal.Yet there is one pic that I saw with another
head before.

http://members.ams.chello.nl/a.h.vd.braak/krystal/artwork/imagepages/Leg%20u
p.html

I myself can't talk THAT much. Some of my very first jobs were tracings at
first. Then I modified them starting from there. Some of them were so
modified that they are already original pics by themselves. By that time, I
did not know the rules so one or two were posted. I only wrote on them
something like this:
Original by: Artist name here
Redone by: Foxczer
The rest of those pics are still hidden in a CD I made. Never to be seen by
the mass public.

--
The Foxczer is here. To conquer the entire universe. OHH! Well.... I can
deal for a bit less. At least give me Mars!!
New e-mail:Fox...@hotmail.com
New ICQ:150301689
http://foxczer.web1000.com ((*NEW*))
www.furnation.com/Foxczer
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Foxczer/

DrGamez

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May 26, 2002, 4:28:02 PM5/26/02
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I KNEW IT! We just chased this lamer away from the AGNPH.


FurryFag

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Jul 10, 2002, 4:43:53 PM7/10/02
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I just posted copy art when I noticed this message. I re-draw the picture from looking at the screen, sometimes modifying it
somewhat, usually not much. Then I scan it in, trace it in the Gimp, and color it. I have done this with a pic from Grisser and
one from an unknown artist I got from this ng. I probably should have asked first (having second thoughts now about posting)
but they kinda are my work and I blatently state the original artist (or "This is not an original!") after my signature. Is this
wrong? I never draw pics that are already colored. Usually just sketches. I don't have a talent for drawing (all my originals
_really_ suck) and it's hard for me to get ideas for pics. I'm getting better at drawing on the computer and I thought some
things might be good to share. I'm just a little teen furry and I'm certainly not making any money off of this (who would pay?)
so it should be ok. If not, just tell me to stop.

-- FurryFag

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