FUR: Klonoa Yiffy Art!
Mutt
Second pic: Huepow giving the King of Sorrow head is all kinds frightening.
Third pic: Scaaaaaaaary.
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Mutt
Creator of Perki Goth/Candi Raver
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And furry not-so-artist
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KitFox
>Hey all!
> Since I requested Klonoa yiffy art, I found some on the web (besides the
>one posted already in this newsgroup). I don't know the artist of these,
>and all credit goes to them, and I certainly don't mean to offend anyone by
>posting these (but I can't post the links because I don't have them anymore,
>and I thought you guys might like to see them). Anyhow, here you go, and
>kudos to the artists. Again, this is not my work, and all credit goes to
>the artists. I in no way saw anything about *not* posting these, so I
>assume it's OK.
BAD WOLF!! No cookie! I am going to be 'generally' polite about this,
some might not be as polite.
Rule 1: If it is not your art and you do not have direct permission to
post it, -NEVER EVER POST IT-.
We have had artists leave furry fandom because of issues like this. not
seeing anything saying not to does not mean that it is okay, because there
is one major thing that does say not to unless permission is given:
Copyright Laws
That means that if these artistsreally wanted to, they could hunt you down,
have your ISP account pulled, fine you $5000 per image, and get you thrown
in jail. That is the extreme, and I have never seen it done, however I
have seen people get reamed, flamed, spammed, mailbombed, and other such
nasty stuff for posting without permission. And I have seen artists...
some really GREAT artists... pull -all- of their stuff off the internet
completely because people posted it without permission.
This time you can plead ignorance, and it will get you somewhere with me at
least, so I only berate you. Please try to avoid doing it in the future,
because a lot of people will ream, flame, and bomb you instead of saying
Bad Wolf.
Thank you for your consideration.
Acru Fox
themselves arent even copywritten to them, so lets sue them too for drawing
characters that don't belong to them :P
There is a point in life when you realize everyones sueing everyone else or
making each others lives miserable and pointing fingers :p Hmm countries
like Japan and the Orient don't even have the same copyright laws and it
gets very touchy on what is or isn't copywritten. Bah been here too long and
seen this happen too many times, why not e-mail the person directly and tell
them if ye wanna voice yer concern :P As for furry artists leaving the
fandom, as if thats even gunna change either, it's been happening as long as
I've been around :P
Lets see now one of those pics isn't even done by an english artist, so yer
gunna have to learn another language and ask permission, and the bottom one
has his copyright on that too and his url, so that must indicate somewhat
that he wanted it to be distributed, and as for the other one the person if
the image isn't clipped in any way wanted to remain anonymous :)
Go to Barbados and you have a field day there they don't have any copyright
laws the copy original movies/dvds as easily as one can copy a tape :P Just
running a program past the 30 day trial limit yer breaking the law, better
put all those ppl in jail and sue them too!
You must be in training for a lawyer :)
Acru
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Sonic god
dalmations croc ledgend of the gobbos etc etc
Kooky
> sweet i didnt think klonoa yiff stuff existed hard to find like yoshi 101
> dalmations croc ledgend of the gobbos etc etc
Darn it! I missed them. Any chance someone can repost or e-mail them to
me directly? Thanxs. I'm um......curious to see them. Yeah that's it.
Hehe. ;)
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Paul "Kooky" Mason
Ko...@monmouth.com
g l o o m w o l f e
hi there.
wanna hear MY view too!?!
well here it is, whether you like it or not.
WHEN SOMETHING IS POSTED TO THE INTERNET, IT IMMIDIATELY BECOMES PROPERTY
OF ABSOLUTELY NO ONE AT ALL. This is because it is not an original
product. it is a scan of an original product. It's not even real. It's
computer coding, 100101001010101011110111111111100101001010101001 etc ad
infin. so FUCk copyright BULLSHIT when it comes to computers and the
internet. the line should simply be drawn when money is trying to be
obtained from such art, which is still kind of hard to do online, but still
possible (It's happened to me).
anyway, no ones probably going to read this so i guwess now is as good time
as ever to say lseuitvl934a8ytap9w3tylq2thlviaw4hvtui YAY!! i love this!
gloomyf;awinl93f5ynla93w4htop
KitFox
>Yawwwns...hmm not to mention the artists who drew it the characters
>themselves arent even copywritten to them, so lets sue them too for drawing
>characters that don't belong to them :P
<SNIP!>
I am nice to people who made a mistake because they don't know better...
However...
The following high temperature communication is subjective, and is not
directed at any one person, but rather at the entire lack of respect for
artwork distribution rights in general. Please be forewarned.
<RANT Quality="flamethrower">
Good FREAKING idea... Why don't you go find a sample of every furry
artists work and post it here... Make sure you get the ones that ar of
other peoples' characters, otherwise it won't work as well. Post stuff by
BOC, Post stuff by Wookie, really feeling bold? Post stuff by Jay Naylor!
Start dragging stuff off every relatively furry page you can find from
Japan and start posting it. WHO CARES, everybody's sue happy anyways!
Even if you don't care about your art, even if you don't care about
copyright law, try COMMON COURTESY. Ever seen art that has a huge "SAMPLE"
plastered across it, when older stuff by that artist didn't? Ever seen an
artist COMPLETELY STOP DRAWING FURRY ARTWORK?!
I HAVE. Many times! And you know why? It is because of self-satisfying
MORONS who don't have any respect for the requests, desires, and WORK of
the artist decide to go and repost, distribute, and abuse the artists'
kindness in posting the artwork.
Now, I don't give a shit what morons who claim they can copy anything
think, because simply put, if they keep that up, WE LOSE ARTISTS. Other
nasty things happen too. Artists start having to work on ways to protect
their artwork. They have to start working on ways to keep the
simple-minded little imbeciles from taking the stuff they put a SHITLOAD of
work into developing, and putting it in places they might not want it in,
maybe in forms they don't want it in.
Artists have permission to not care what is done with their work. They
HAVE that right. Because it is THEIR WORK. They can say "Distribute
Freely". They can say "Modify this as much as you want". THEY have the
right to determine what is done with their artwork. -NOT YOU-.
So GET IT THROUGH your THICK, SELF-SERVING SKULL that
IF IT IS NOT YOURS, AND YOU DO NOT -KNOW FOR A FACT- THAT YOU HAVE
PERMISSION FROM THE ARTIST, _DON'T_POST_IT_!
Doing so is the NUMBER ONE WAY to ROYALLY piss off artists and SCREW UP the
furry fandom for EVERYBODY, -INCLUDING- your sorry pansy little "Oh
everybody's sue-happy" ass! Just because you don't think you can find an
artist is -NOT- a reason to claim they will never find out, and just go
ahead and ABUSE WHAT THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU.
Making a mistake is one thing. DEFENDING the entire ISSUE behind the
mistake... Berating the fact that it IS a mistake, and trying to make it
NOT a mistake... That is a GREAT way to get a shitload of people ROYALLY
PISSED OFF.
If you can't have respect for the things the artists do for the furry
community, then GET YOUR FAT BARESKINNED UNCARING SELFSERVING IDIOT HUMAN
AS -OUT- OF OUR FANDOM!
I PERSONALLY know seven EXCELLENT artists who will NEVER post their artwork
to the internet. You will NEVER get to see the great work they do on this
group, or on a web page, or ANYWHERE else on the Net. FOUR of those have
stopped drawing fury altogether, and one has thrown out her art stuff. And
do you know WHY?! It's because of STUPID idiots who have an attitude of
"Oh, I'll just do whatever I want because they can't stop me." So CUT the
fucking crap, you lame ass bastard, or we'll just end up losing MORE
artists, and scaring more artists away from the group. Go crawl back into
your little den and GET THE FUCK out of this world. Laws are made because
some people just don't have the COMMON FUCKING SENSE to not do something
stupid. And even THEN, you have MORONS who decide that the laws don't
COUNT because they can't be enforced. GO BREAK INTO AN OLD LADY'S HOUSE
AND STEAL HER LIFE'S SAVINGS. WHO FUCKING CARES, YOU PROBABLY WON'T GET
CAUGHT. THE OLD BITCH IS PROBABLY SENILE ANYWAYS. WHAT IS SHE GOING TO DO
WITH IT OTHER THAN EAT AND KEEP HER MISERABLE SELF ALIVE? SHE DOESN'T NEED
THE HEIRLOOMS. THEY GO BETTER ON YOUR FINGER ANYWAYS. HELL, STEAL A
LOLIPOP FROM A BABY WHILE YOU'RE AT IT. THE BABY CAN'T TELL HER MOMMY WHO
DID IT. YOU'LL GET AWAY SCOT FREE.
God DAMN it's people like you who make me ROYALLY pissed off, Because it's
people like you that hurt the furry fandom MORE than anything else. Bad
press, we can deal with. Anti-Furs we can deal with. Interior politics,
arguments, cons fighting each other, no problem...
But FUCKING IDIOTS WHO CHASE OUR ARTISTS AWAY... Serious problem.
Go crawl under a rock and stay there.
</RANT>
The preceeding high temperature communication is subjective, and is not
directed at any one person, but rather at the entire lack of respect for
artwork distribution rights in general. Please be forewarned.
RTCa...@concentric.net
and hehviuehvuishnvsrhvthrl54u6854ubv back to ya! ;)
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Acru Fox
Guess my credit card number is property of the internet hehe.
"g l o o m w o l f e" <part...@raveworld.net> wrote in message
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Acru Fox
:) Pffft yah must be quite sexually miffed :) Yah poor thing, ye must love
telling others what to do and insulting others and making them feel bad
*pats ye on the back* Dunn worree things will be okaaaay :) Stop swearing
and shouting, maybe I'll read it if it wasn't such a demeaning post :)
Control Freak, take a chill pill and settle down!
*acru bouncies back into da woods*
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KitFox
>Hmm nice use of the cap locks button :) Methinks hes not yiffing to the art
>:) Pffft yah must be quite sexually miffed :) Yah poor thing, ye must love
>telling others what to do and insulting others and making them feel bad
>*pats ye on the back* Dunn worree things will be okaaaay :) Stop swearing
>and shouting, maybe I'll read it if it wasn't such a demeaning post :)
>
>Control Freak, take a chill pill and settle down!
>*acru bouncies back into da woods*
Translation of my previous post for the intelligence impared:
Respect the artists, even if you don't respect the law, or we lose the
artists, and if we lose the artists, don't go to a con or let anybody track
you down, becasue you will likely become unhappy, like other people have.
(And no, I am not the one who did it. I do not believe in beating the crap
out of idiots who repost images without permission. But there are people
who do.) And even if that doesn't happen, won't you just love somebody
pulling their art because of attitudes like yours?
Wolfpup
I already issued one apology, but canceled it (when I deleted the
initial post), so this is for the servers that message is no longer on (and
even the ones it is).
I feel really badly that I caused this whole argument. I removed the
posted art from the servers I could remove it from, but unfortunately on a
few I am unable to cancel the posts.
This was truly just an error in judgment and a mistake on my part. I
didn't think as much as I should have before posting, and my sole motivation
was simply to share some artwork that I enjoyed with people I thought might
enjoy it too. I also assumed, again not putting enough thought into it,
that the artists would not mind if I posted it as long as I credited them.
I know better now, and since I can't take back my actions entirely (I did as
much as I could to remedy it), I can just say I'm sorry.
I meant to break no law (though technically, I have to point out that I
think any drawing of Klonoa in the first place, since he is a copyrighted
character, is most likely breaking the law, but that doesn't stop most
artists), show no disrespect to artists, and start no arguments. I was
simply trying to share a good thing, and I will not share another artist's
work in the future without permission.
Again, I sincerely apologize, and I hope nobody holds this mistake
against me.
Sincere Thanks,
Wolfpup
P.S. If you're interested in my personal *opinion*, I kinda assumed with
this art that if the artist posted it on the internet, he or she intended it
to be shown, and I honestly wish that was the way it is for all artists, but
unfortunately the truth is it isn't, and I acknowledge that. I didn't see
any copyrights or anything at the time, but I also didn't look thoroughly
(simply because I didn't really think about it). I did find one later for
one of the pieces, but it was the only one I found, and again, I feel very
badly about the whole thing. I won't do it again in the future, but I do
wish artists who aren't selling their artwork would allow distribution. I
respect that they choose not to, however, and do truly respect the artists
themselves.
Acru Fox
You know what?
You're mean, you don't believe in beating the crap out of the people just
insulting them to death or swearing a lot :> Guess what? You're no
copyright crusader you aren't saving artists from leaving, and I know
artists that are my friends that have left not because their art was posted
by someone but because of either fanboys or someone hurt their feelings or
the person just didn't get much of any encouragement, or just simply moved
on in life.
You attract more bees with honey than vinegar and I can think of about a
million ways to tell someone my opinion or views on copryright without
making them feel bad or alienating them, guess what? I've been to a con
before and I have a good time, and didn't have people "tracking me down"
There is a percentage of the furrydom that just scares me sometimes, people
who have a chip on their shoulder.
See now Wolfpup has posted an apology that he feels really badly, well gee
hope you're happy. My point is without threatening, swearing, or blowing
ones top is...you can easily tell someone if they made a mistake by
e-mailing them direct or being more polite with your word. Not everything
out there is not public domain and it's going to be posted sooner or later,
and its kind of pointless to continue this thread as all you are going to do
is proceed to bite peoples heads off, and I have a lot of work to do, so
back to work! hehe
'Nuff Said.
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KitFox
>Hey guys!
> I already issued one apology, but canceled it (when I deleted the
>initial post), so this is for the servers that message is no longer on (and
>even the ones it is).
Thank you, Wolfpup. I know you contactd me in EMail regarding this, and I
wanted to thank you in public as well for your consideration.
For Everybody, not directed at anybody in particular:
1: Copyright is automatic. Once you create it, it's copyrighted to you. So
"Not seeing a copyright notice" is not a good reason to steal the stuff.
2: I may be mistaken on this, but I'm 90% certain I am not. You can
copyright a produced item. Written text, visual work, audio work, etc...
You cannot copyright the characters that are in it. The characters are
"Trademarked", which is a whole different ball of wax altogether. Hwoever
it's "Polite" not to draw somebody else's character without permission. So
you can copyright a picture or drawing of something, but not the something
you drew the picture of.
Keedokee? Coo.
Acru Fox
Acru
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KitFox
>Really you should consider becoming a lawyer :)
The primary thing is not Law, the primary thing is respecting the artists.
Some people don't understand this, and try to find ways to weasel out of
it. So the law is there as a backup for the morally impared.
Examples:
"I didn't see any copyright notice, so I fgiured it wasn't copyrighted, and
I could do whatever I want with it."
Law: It's copyrighted automatically when it's created, so please get
permission first. And lack of a response is not permission.
"So what if I do something to break the artist's copyright. They drew a
copyrighted character! That's bad too!"
Law: Images are copyright. The things they are images of aren't. No more
than you can copyright yourself IRL. They -can- and often are trademarked
though.
Common Sense: Two wrongs don't make a right. They just make things more
wrong. (However, two lefts make a roundabout right. And a Wrong and a left
make it left. And a right and a left make it straight. So if it is left,
that is good in all situations. So just leave it.)
...
I think I just confused myself with that last part. But you get the idea.
It's basically a way to try to explain that "No this is not right", and if
they won't listen to just plain common sense, at least point out that "Even
the law says its not right."... Kind of like stealing from the poor guy
selling roses in the middle of the street at the left turn lane.