FUR: Auctions?
Ebonymane
auction sell your art on? Cardstock, index cards... whatever. I'm just
curious to see responses... might eventually find a picture that I'm happy
with to try and auction... my mate wants me to do a larger version of the
lazy lion I posted, and in color (speaking of that I need to scan the
colored smaller version), and if I do nicely I might try to auction it. Who
knows. :>
On another note, how do you guys color your art? I've mixed a little, some
colored pencils and some photoshop, depending on what I've drawn. What do
you think is the best way to color the art (in your opinion).
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Daria McGrain
I've seen people on Furbid and Ebay auction art on almost anything.
I like to use 9 x 12 inch 2 ply Bristol, 8 1/2 x 11 white or colored
cardstock, and anything else that is thicker then regular white paper. Makes
the piece of art feel like you can't just destroy it by accident.
But I've seen people sell art made on just typing paper. Or the thin
smooth color copy paper. My friend Diana likes to use the stuff to color
pencil on cause it's so smooth that pencils don't create a texture. Diana has
also auctioned off cels that she's painted. And I've sold 4 x 6 inch white
index cards with art on them. I think you can sell art on anything so long as
the picture is something other people really like and want to buy ~hopfully
people with lots of money.~ = )
I color my art usually with Prismacolor color pencils or markers.
Sometimes I also use CarbOthelo's ~pastel pencils~. I've done I few Photoshop
Prints but hand colored seems to sell better. I don't think there's a "best"
way to color. Different materials can produce wildly different pictures. For
me I think the coolest way to color is with oil paints. The only problem with
oils is that they are toxic so I worry about my health using them. They also
dry really slow and I'm not that good with them but I really like the way they
look the best.
You can also sell b/w pencils or inks if you don't want to color all your
pictures.
Daria Mcgrain ~rejoice E-mail~ dariam...@yahoo.com
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Ebonymane
normal paper... I've been pondering index cards... because that's really
about the size I draw, usually... when I scan stuff it gets kinda blown up.
Might do some bigger stuff on 8.5x12 cardstock... who knows. I might finish
this picture of my furry identity, Ebonymane (black stallion), and leave it
uncolored but inked on some 8.5x12 cardstock, or on an index card and
auction it.
Neko2
Since someone brought up acid free paper... If you plan on selling prints
rather than originals Kinko's has 100% cotton paper (e-1) acid free, 90#
index cardstock (w90) acid free, and 94 brightness 28# laser paper also acid
free. I sketch on the w90 and laser (it is soooo smooth) but the 100%
cotton has a nice tooth to it. I usually run my copies on the self serve
machines and ask for paper from the front counter. Or I just use the
machines while I'm on the clock.
I know that you can get all kinds of acid free paper @ art stores, but most
of those wont go through a printer.
Oh and if you live near the Detroit area, e-mail me, I can give you my 25%
discount @ kinko's :)
Neko2
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Brian O'connell
are largely questionable IMO (other than selling prints that are hand
signed, or selling prints based on original works in limited quantity), I
prefer to provide original works for auction...
The medium provided is usually in the form of coquille shaded (a
specially textured heavy paper that shows a pattern when rubbed with
graphite or colored pencil, similar in thickness to bristol illustration
board), or bristol illustration board... I prefer to use the two due to
their being acid free, which extends the life of the artwork in question, as
well as their resistance to wear due to working... For a case in point,
compare the durability of bristol illustration board to bond sketch paper or
typing paper, you'll note a vast difference in quality and durability
between the two forms of paper...
Some may argue for the use of digital cleanup or tracing boxes, but
those have a tendacy to eliminate the organic, ie: human "flaws", which in
turn often give life to a piece of artwork, far more than the endless
repetitions of repeated reworkings that, while aesthetically appealing, more
often render a piece dead... I would rather have a marginally flawed piece
that shows the work invested in a piece, than have a perfect piece that
shows no life, no originality, nor creativity...
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Daria McGrain
Let me see if I'm getting you right. By "tracing boxes" you wouldn't happen
to mean a light box ~ or light board ~ would you? "Some plane of transparent
material over a light source" sometimes self contained in a box or inside a
drafting table? ~I've even use a window before in a pinch~
Hmm, sorry if it sounds like I'm poking funny at you, it's just I've never
heard them called that before.
Using a light box can definitely strip away the feeling of a penciled
picture. Since usually when people trace a picture ~me included~ they tend to
put down one line to take the place of 10 or so sketch lines that created the
life in the original. If this really bothers you, you can of course not use a
Light box. Or I've found that by drawing those extra lines that created the
best parts of the picture back into the tracing helps to create a piece minus
the flaws of the original with the same life to it. Since you can not only
correct the flaws but also add things, you can enrich an otherwise flawed
piece. Or you could get really frustrated trying to capture the life of the
original picture on the fixed tracing. = )
But over all I think it helps.
Maybe the reason I don't see a problem with light boxes is that to me in a
lot of ways inking creates the same kind of striping away of the life of an
original penciled picture. I've have to work with this a lot since I ink parts
of the comic "Saiko and Lavender". Diana uses a light box to ink on top of her
pencils and believe me sometimes you fix something and it gets better and
sometimes it get worst.
But it's better that fucking up the original. And least to me.
Daria Mcgrain ~rejoice E-mail~ dariam...@yahoo.com
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> Some may argue for the use of digital cleanup or tracing boxes, but
DarkSilver
artwork. Here's the thing, I have no idea if anyone is even remotely interested,
and how the heck do I do it? I understand how furbid works, but my fear is
actually -getting- a bid. What then? I suppose I ship it? I live in Canada. :P
I also basically draw on a plain white piece of paper. It's not fancy, just
unlined white paper. With black marker. Then I scan it and color it. I feel the
sketches are just the "base" that become more as I work on them digitally. Often
if I make a mistake with my marker, I will just re-do the line.
Why?
Because photoshop will easily remove any unwanted lines. So then the sketch has
mistakes, the final piece does not. Well, some, not all. Am I supposed to mat a
piece of paper with a drawing on it? See, i'm not too sure if you buy a drawing or
sketch, you expect to receive a plain white piece of paper in the mail. Right?
Help!
Responses appreciated!
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
dariam...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Maybe the reason I don't see a problem with light boxes is that to
> me in a lot of ways inking creates the same kind of striping away of
> the life of an original penciled picture. I've have to work with this
> a lot since I ink parts of the comic "Saiko and Lavender". Diana uses
> a light box to ink on top of her pencils and believe me sometimes you
> fix something and it gets better and sometimes it get worst.
I suppose it depends on the inker. Yes, some people when they start inking
tend to take away from the vitality of the pencils, especially if they take
the easy route and just use drafting pens.
This becomes a problem when the just stop there, retreat to doing pencils
only, and never break through the barrier to become great inkers. Learning to
ink well is almost like learning to draw all over again.
For people who want to learn great inking, a good place to start is Gary
Martin and Steve Rude's book on comic book inking. the best pencilling is
when there's just enough pencil to tell where the ink should go, and then the
REAL drawing is done in ink.
The thing about learning the control to do your work in ink is that you learn
more about Not making mistakes in the first place, rather than getting good at
correcting them.
When it comes to light tables, one advantage there is when you need to put
multiple characters into a peice, you can draw them seperately, and shift them
around on the glass behind the sheet you'll eventually put them both on.
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Kaycy Ruffer
I'm new to cons/furry/etc., and these egroups. I have been following
lots of threads and learning a lot from everyone. Looking at everyone's
art and their styles.
I have been drawing since I first picked up a pencil but didn't keep up
with it through my growing years. It wasn't until after FC 2000 that I
got started in picking up drawing again. My mate wanted me to put stuff
in this years art show. I thought he was nuts! I saw the art that was
displayed there last year. No way! Well, I started drawing the first of
Feb last year, looked at a lot of artists sites and started drawing. Got
lots of ideas of how to draw this part or that part or shadowing etc.
I mainly got on this list to get ideas on how to draw the male anatomy.
(never had any type of classes, all self taught) Now, I have seen a
large inprovement in my art since Feb of last year. Lots of practice. I
have bought tons (not literally) of art books.
Originally I started out with just pencil drawings. I was never able to
use color. I would see it with my eyes but was never able to get it to
look right on paper so I didn't use it. Then, after getting back into
drawing, our roommate bought me some "Prang Pastello colored paper
chalk". I fell in love with them. I loved how I was able to shade with
them. It took me some time practicing with them, but I really do like
the chalk. Not long afterwards, a fur I met on FM and in RL, bought me a
set of "Prang colored pencils" which I am still learning to use. My mate
then bought me some "Portfolio oil pastels", these will take me some
time to learn how to use and then recently we added some "Tibracolor
colored markers".
As for my drawings, my originals that were colored with the chalk will
be shown as originals, then I started drawing only outlines so I could
scan the drawings, making 10 copies of each drawing only, then hand
coloring each of them. (Which, trying to get everything ready for the
artshow, am just realizing how much work this is and am enjoying every
minute of it!)
I am showing my artwork for the very first time at Further Confusion in
a couple of weeks. I have been using only acid free white paper. For
this con, I am only coloring one of each drawing, then matting them to
acid free matting boards. We get their scarps, 14" x 11" for only .75
each. These work out great. Plus we bought our own matt cutter.
Like I said, this is my very first time doing something like this. As
for Canada, I don't know what their rules are. Here, I contacted the
artshow person and believe me, I asked a lot of questions and am still
asking questions to clarify some things that I'm not sure I understand.
But, at the least it is a learning experience.
Will my stuff sell? I don't know and really don't care if they do or
not. I just want to show some of my stuff. What better way to get others
to see some of my work than a con?
DarkSilver wrote:
>
> Since the subject has come up, I have wondered about auctioning some/any of my
> artwork. Here's the thing, I have no idea if anyone is even remotely interested,
> and how the heck do I do it?
Does it matter? One thing I have learned this past year is that everyone
has their own styles. Some will like yours some will not. Is that why
you draw? I draw because I like it. I like seeing the results of trying
different and new things. I like how I have improved over the past year.
I can see it for myself.
> I understand how furbid works, but my fear is
> actually -getting- a bid. What then? I suppose I ship it? I live in Canada. :P
Most likely.
> Am I supposed to mat a
> piece of paper with a drawing on it? See, i'm not too sure if you buy a drawing or
> sketch, you expect to receive a plain white piece of paper in the mail. Right?
I'm matting mine, but only the colored ones. Eventually I will colorize
the original drawings. Some people like B&W art, some like colored, some
like both. All you can do is put it out there and see what happens. That
is what I am doing. What is the worst that can happen, besides no one
buying it? Nothing. If no one buys a piece of my art, I will relook at
it and try and figure out why. And besides learning from your own works,
there will just be people who don't like particular art pieces.
Sorry to have rambled on so. Just my 2 cents worth.
(Oh, and yes, I have started drawing erotica, not much, still new to the
idea, but have a few that will be shown at FC)
Kaycy
DarkSilver
just draw for the money, what money? I don't get any for drawing, I only lose it to buy
drawing supplies. :P
It's rare for an artist to make ends meet doing what they love. Too good to be true!
However -if- someone wanted to buy an original drawing or a print, I just want it to be
available I guess..
It's just I am not sure, never having done it before.
Lack of experience I suppose, but I will take your advice to heart, i'll never know if I
don't try, right?
Thanks again! =^.^=
>
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DarkSilver
perfectly, also something about the horse is just really cute! Hope that was your intent?
^-.-^
Also, I like the m/m one as well, but i'm wondering why some artists will put "sample" on
their pics, and some not. Why do you do it?
Kaycy Ruffer wrote:
> Thank you for your kind words, DarkSilver. I am a newbie as well, so
> there are a lot out there on this list that have done a lot more and
> better work then myself.
>
> > Lack of experience I suppose, but I will take your advice to heart, i'll never know if I
> > don't try, right?
> And how does one get experience? They just do it. That is what I am
> doing. What the heck. Why not.
>
> I guess I could post a pix...let me find one...
>
> This is an original, before I started outlining and copying. It is of my
> Character on Furry Muck (her original form, she morphs) and a tender
> moment with her best friend, Itico.
>
> Kaycy
>
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> [Image]
Kaycy Ruffer
The sample is on my site. I just started doing that after reading
threads of other newsgroups about ways to prevent drawings from being
*stolen* I know I have nothing to worry about. I know that I download
others works that don't have that on there because I use them to learn
from. I don't see why others can't learn from mine. It was just
something I was trying out. Most of my drawings don't have that on them.
And yes, she is supposed to look cute. That is the way I picture my
character.
Kaycy
DarkSilver
put my websites addy on them, in tiny print, in the future. When my site is updated that is!
Right now all that is on it, is the stuff I drew -before- I ever owned a scanner. I tell you
drawing with a mouse alone can result in some scary stuff...heh
And yes, you captured "cute" perfectly! :)
Kaycy Ruffer wrote:
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That was my first attempt at putting something over the front of the
drawings, I'm still working on something a lot lighter so it isn't so
distracting to the artwork itself.
Kaycy
DarkSilver
it.
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Kaycy Ruffer
figured out layering yet so I just put the word over the top of the
picture and rename it so I don't ruin the original scan.
After FC I will have more time to do a little more 'playing' around with
PSP5 to see what I can learn about these layers.
Kaycy
DarkSilver
I use adobe photoshop exclusively, illustrator baffles me and is complicated, and painter is similar to
photoshop, except all the commands i've learned *poof* dissapear. I don't want to bother learning a
whole new program to do the same thing. Off-topic, but speaking of programs, I have macromedia drumbeat
asp to make webpages, and it's so damn big and complex I can't even begin to use it! Know of any site
builders that are -easy- and uncomplicated to use?
Kaycy Ruffer wrote:
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scan it then I take them into PSP5 to make thumbnails and put up on my
website or to put that writing across them. I tried creating art in a
graphics program but I am just not any good at it. Perhaps some day I
will try again.
Sorry to hear you can't go to any cons. That is where I learned some
about furries etc. Fell in love with the fursuits and have troubles
imagining folks actually make those! Luckily it isn't too far from me so
I can manage to go to this one. The others I can't.
I just use my Word Perfect 8 for creating my webpages. I also use an
html editor, DiDa-Pro for maintaining and pulling everything together
when needed.
Kaycy
DarkSilver
I started backwards when it came to drawing on computer, I didn't have a scanner, so I had to use a mouse,
and go from there. From using adobe photoshop and my mouse for a couple years, I can draw pretty damn steady
with a mouse, and I can do some interesting color jobs, but it takes -forever- and the lines are -never- as
perfect as when you scan something in. For an example of pure digital work i've done, I will show you with
the following post. Oh! And I really really sucked, it took practice practice practice just to get to what I
can do now. It's still not good enough either!
Kaycy Ruffer
I've been to 3 cons. ConFurence 8 and 9, worked the registration table
both times. Had a blast doing it. Seeing all the people and all the
fursuits. I didn't see much of those cons because I stayed at reg the
whole time I was awake. But, it is an interesting experience. I remember
a room where furs were selling their art, "Artist Alley" I think it was
called. There was two rooms for artwork for show and sell. One was for
the general public and one was for the NC-17, I have to admit I blushed
going through that room. Never saw so much 'raw' art in my life. I just
recently, 3 months ago, started to draw some erotica stuff myself. I
have one panel in the NC-17 group and 3 panels in the general group.
Furs milling about, busy busy busy, but I had a blast. Last year I went
to my first Further Confusion con and again, worked registration the
whole time I was there. Same experience, had a blast especially when
furs would come to get their pictures taken for their con badges of
their fursuits. I took tons of photos at all the cons of the suits. I
think they are just so great and really have respect for those that make
them. I really liked the one at this last con that I saw, I don't
remember the type of the suit but it was made and worn by Charlie
Kellner. The wingspan was huge! He had to be careful opening his wings
because of the space he needed.
Other than that, I really don't know much what else goes on at the con.
This con I will be staff in the Creator's Lounge. This is where, by my
understanding, artists and writers come to relax, draw or write or both,
without having to be constantly bugged by fans. Should be interesting.
Kaycy
> I started backwards when it came to drawing on computer, I didn't have a scanner, so I had to use a mouse,
> and go from there. From using adobe photoshop and my mouse for a couple years, I can draw pretty damn steady
> with a mouse, and I can do some interesting color jobs, but it takes -forever- and the lines are -never- as
> perfect as when you scan something in. For an example of pure digital work i've done, I will show you with
> the following post. Oh! And I really really sucked, it took practice practice practice just to get to what I
> can do now. It's still not good enough either!
I drew a few things in notepad once but that was several years ago and
have lost the touch. Right now I am mainly working on improving my art
by hand. I've seen a big improvement since Feb. of last year. I still
have a long ways to go though. Looking at others art, helps me with
that. I have learned a lot from others artwork. Got new ideas. Hey, when
I started drawing again after FC last year, I never did anything in
color. Now I am. I am now, just the past few days, been implementing my
chalk, pencils and markers together. Some of the art just seems better
in one medium or the other and some seem to look better with a mix.
Sorry for rambling, just get so into this that I just talk....
Kaycy
Kaycy Ruffer
I'm still working on the 'human' anatomy and (giggles here) someone on
Furry Muck once asked me why my character doesn't wear clothing on any
of her morphs, I simply replied, "I don't know how to draw clothing." I
will learn this as well, I hope.
As I said, I still have a lot to learn.
Kaycy
Kaycy Ruffer
> flowing clothes perfectly form and cling over any curve or movement, the shading and folds in the fabric
> perfect...makes me green!
I know the feeling. I hope to learn from those who can draw clothing so
effortlessly!
> I hope someday in my future I will be able to attend a con, I'll come once i'm rich and independantly wealthy and
> can make the trip. :)
(giggles) I don't know about the others on this list but I know that if
I waited till then, I would never get to go!
> As for blushing, it's amazing, I never drew nekkid furs, or genitalia, now i'm doing it without any problems, next
> thing i'll get to the point where "in your face explicit" will be what i'll be drawing heh.
I'm still nervous about drawing the genitalia, but am working on it.
Having to look at a lot of photos to see what they look like. Still
learning that part.
> I just did my first
> coloring with markers, I only bought a pack of 12 crayola markers though. It's not really this groups style, but
> i'll post it here anyway to show you. I think I need a wider range of marker colors lol!
I love it! Just like Paf' Porcupine, doing a piece all in markers, I
will be able to do that too one day. Right now I do a lot in chalk and
just did a special birthday one for a friend totally in colored pencils.
I really like how it turned out, but when scanned, makes the characters
really look furry!
Kaycy
DarkSilver
about $60 bucks for 30 here. I bought a scanner for christmas and already spent some bucks on pencils, markers, eraser,
sharpener, quality paper, etc. I bought them at an artists store instead of say the dollar store. There is a difference
in quality of materials and that reflects in the work lol. Which is a scary thought...that your artwork is only as good
as your materials, and so, your artwork is as good as the amount of money you spend? Gah...don't want to think about
that.
>
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I'm finding it is getting expensive and I don't want to know how much I
have spent since Feb 2000 on art materials. I also go to the art supply
stores and I try to make sure everything is acid-free.
> There is a difference in quality of materials and that reflects in
> the work lol. Which is a scary thought...that your artwork is only
> as good as your materials, and so, your artwork is as good as the
> amount of money you spend?
I would think so. Perhaps others on here will be able to shed some light
on this?
Kaycy
DarkSilver
to get acid free as well. I'll bet you a drawing no-one's looking at this
threat and no one will.
:P
Kaycy Ruffer wrote:
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Kaycy Ruffer
Kaycy
Kaycy Ruffer
get someone to repsond. Either that or we just chitchat with each other.
(giggles)
Kaycy
Jack D Marten
> Yup lol!
>
Ooooooh, you aren't the only two here -=evil grin=-
> >
>
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DarkSilver
We might have been coming up with a diabolical plan to take over the world
after all..
DarkSilver
seen on my newsgroup at home. I don't know why, it must look like I am
ignoring some posts or replies, it's just that I don't see them. I have
never seen Jack D marten before for example. Any way to fix this, or anyone
else had this problem? I'll be able to message when I get home, and try to
get things fixed..miss y'all
Shurhaian Snowfire
while, but suddenly he sent a spate of messages. It's true that I may be
missing people because of my blocked-sender settings(I block domains that
always and only seem to send spam; perhaps on news.fur.com, with the bot in
place to kill non-tagged posts, I can tone that down), but I don't think
that's the whole problem.
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