FUR: NEXXUS AND FURNATION IS A CORPORATION OF THIEVES

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GoldenWolf

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Nov 8, 2003, 6:47:56 PM11/8/03
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Thieves. Yes thieves. Maybe piracy is theft, and I can hear those
arguments. However,
TAKING SOMONES MONEY AND SPENDING IT, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO
PRINT ISSUES IS THEFT

ITS ILLEGAL

YOU CAN PRESS CIVIL CHARGES AGAINST NEXXUS AND I RECCOMMEND IT.


While he tries to make sure that he can make money off of furry
artists by harassing furry fans, hes also making sure he can make
money off of furry fans, but giving them NOTHING. Sure, some orders
were filled. However most of the money was just a "loan" until Nexxus
can "Pay the furs back" who "bought" the magazine. I dont think this
is right, and I for one will not stand for it.


DO YOU STAND FOR THIS? THEFT OF THE FANS? HARASSMENT OF FANS?

Maybe the fans arnt want the fandom is about. Maybe its an artists
dom... The fans are nothing in his eyes, shit. If your not a furry
artist or a content creator you are NOTHING in nexxus's eyes. All he
wants is money and control.

He even said it.
"Its not about the money, its about control. Thats why Im persuing
these matters with the FBI. We have FBI feild agents out there who
are going to BUST you criminals and send you to FEDERAL PRISON!"
-Nexxus

Hey nexxus, i got a message for you, from the furry fans.

Fuck you
Do you want to tell nexxus fuck you too?
Come down to irc.rizon.net on #furryxdcc


#furryxdcc

- we do it for the fans


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Btw nexxus. We are gonna help yah out. If you want to check out whos
serving furnation magazines. Just go to www.ircspy.com and type in
furnation. It should show you a list of any file we are serving.

Fuck you :)

-GoldenWolf

Rust

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Nov 8, 2003, 7:32:57 PM11/8/03
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Wow, predictable or what?

-Rust

Steve Carter

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Nov 9, 2003, 4:41:49 AM11/9/03
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"GoldenWolf" <maui...@graffiti.net> wrote in message
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> - we do it for the fans

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."


MoonSong

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Nov 9, 2003, 4:45:15 AM11/9/03
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So you are.


"GoldenWolf" <maui...@graffiti.net> wrote in message
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> -I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n-

> -I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n-

Mike and Carole

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Nov 9, 2003, 5:54:38 AM11/9/03
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"GoldenWolf" <maui...@graffiti.net> wrote in message
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> Thieves. Yes thieves. Maybe piracy is theft, and I can hear those
> arguments. However,


Piracy? Can I join? I have an eye patch!


> TAKING SOMONES MONEY AND SPENDING IT, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO
> PRINT ISSUES IS THEFT


Who is Somone? Is that a pseudonym?


>
> ITS ILLEGAL
>
> YOU CAN PRESS CIVIL CHARGES AGAINST NEXXUS AND I RECCOMMEND IT.
>
>
> While he tries to make sure that he can make money off of furry
> artists by harassing furry fans, hes also making sure he can make
> money off of furry fans, but giving them NOTHING. Sure, some orders
> were filled.


Now wait a minute....he took money for orders and filled some....


However most of the money was just a "loan" until Nexxus
> can "Pay the furs back" who "bought" the magazine. I dont think this
> is right, and I for one will not stand for it.

Hell, YOU didn't put any money in anyway.


>
>
> DO YOU STAND FOR THIS? THEFT OF THE FANS? HARASSMENT OF FANS?

Throwing shit at the fans?


>
> Maybe the fans arnt want the fandom is about. Maybe its an artists
> dom... The fans are nothing in his eyes, shit. If your not a furry
> artist or a content creator you are NOTHING in nexxus's eyes. All he
> wants is money and control.

That's true. He told me last week he was planning to conquer the world. Or
maybe he said he wanted an ice cream swirl...


>
> He even said it.
> "Its not about the money, its about control. Thats why Im persuing
> these matters with the FBI. We have FBI feild agents out there who
> are going to BUST you criminals and send you to FEDERAL PRISON!"
> -Nexxus

This has to be the next episode of CSI...


>
> Hey nexxus, i got a message for you, from the furry fans.
>
> Fuck you

I bet Nexxus is glad he's so popular.


> Do you want to tell nexxus fuck you too?

No, but I can think of someone else I'd like to...


> Come down to irc.rizon.net on #furryxdcc
>
>
> #furryxdcc
>
> - we do it for the fans

No, actually, you do it IN SPITE of the fans.
-


>
>
> Btw nexxus. We are gonna help yah out. If you want to check out whos
> serving furnation magazines. Just go to www.ircspy.com and type in
> furnation. It should show you a list of any file we are serving.
>
> Fuck you :)
>
> -GoldenWolf


By the way, when you bathe, do you take a Golden Shower?

Mike


Woolly Mittens

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Nov 9, 2003, 6:47:36 AM11/9/03
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"GoldenWolf" <maui...@graffiti.net> wrote in message
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> TAKING SOMONES MONEY AND SPENDING IT, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO
> PRINT ISSUES IS THEFT

Not by any definition of the law.


Icey

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Nov 9, 2003, 7:36:22 AM11/9/03
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It certainly isn't theft, but selling a product without a product to
sell is most certainly fraud, though.

Webm...@furnation.com

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Nov 9, 2003, 8:06:17 AM11/9/03
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> It certainly isn't theft, but selling a product without a product to
> sell is most certainly fraud, though.

Let me fill in some information here...

First, all the intital orders that I received were shipped. 55 orders to
Europe were lost by the USPS. These orders have been reshipped with a free
issue of #4 included, and I am going down the list to make sure I didn't
miss anyone.

Second, a hand full (22) orders were placed, but I never received either the
money for them OR the information that the order was placed. This is a
PayPal glitch, and we have fixed it just last week. I will ship these
orders out next week, with a free issue of #4 included. My thanks to the
fur-friend that let us know about this, or I would have never known these
orders had been placed. We will not be using PayPal in the future except by
request.

Third, Rabbit Valley has taken pre-orders, and I am in the process of
finishing up his boxes for shipment on Monday. He will have them mid-week.

I will not place Issue #4 for sale directly through FurNation until I am
certain that all original orders have arrived at thier destinations.


Webm...@FurNation.com

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Veritas

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Nov 8, 2003, 10:10:20 AM11/8/03
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 07:36:22 -0500, Icey wrote:
> It certainly isn't theft, but selling a product without a product to sell
> is most certainly fraud, though.

Not so. Plenty of people have offered preorders, sometimes for
out-of-stock items, sometimes for ones that don't even exist yet, and not
much of a fuss is raised so long as the item is produced in a timely
manner or regular updates on progress are given.

If you just plain don't intend to satisfy the order, now, that's another
story.

-V

Stryyde

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Nov 9, 2003, 12:28:35 PM11/9/03
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Good old Rabbit valley, I stopped trusting Paypal a long time ago for my
furry fandom. ....

This is all getting interesting *nod nods* It's just like any other
computer war out there the "hackers"
playing the cat and mouse with the law. seeing how far they can get and if
they can stay ahead.
....Popcorn anyone?
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Iron Raptor

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Nov 9, 2003, 1:51:07 PM11/9/03
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Apparently, despite me telling everyone NOT to feed the trolls, the trolls
are still walking around with bloated stomachs. To those who can't seem to
just shut up and ignore them...

Bite my shiny metal ass.. *asswiggle* People apparently don't seem to
listen very well.

"GoldenWolf" <maui...@graffiti.net> wrote in message
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> -I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n-

> -I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n-

Samantha Ann Patterson

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Nov 9, 2003, 2:01:15 PM11/9/03
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Acutally, if you wanna call Nexxus's action a crime, you'd have to call it
fraud, not theft. Yours is theft. The difference is a prison with golf
courses versus a prison with guys missing teeth that put new SPHs in you.

However, Nexxus did make a good-faith effort to deliver the works. The
ones that did not arrive were due to overseas customs issues which is
completely beyond his control and clears him of any criminal charges.
His attempts to send new copies to his overseas customers at a personal
loss is above and beyond what the law requires.

Stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Samantha Ann Patterson

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Nov 9, 2003, 2:02:22 PM11/9/03
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In article <bolc9m$2erk$1...@velox.critter.net>, Icey <n...@mailplease.thx> wrote:
>
>It certainly isn't theft, but selling a product without a product to
>sell is most certainly fraud, though.

Unless you're MicroSoft in which case it's the industry standard.

-Mac user

Webm...@furnation.com

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Nov 9, 2003, 3:15:04 PM11/9/03
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> However, Nexxus did make a good-faith effort to deliver the works. The
> ones that did not arrive were due to overseas customs issues which is
> completely beyond his control and clears him of any criminal charges.
> His attempts to send new copies to his overseas customers at a personal
> loss is above and beyond what the law requires.

Well, it was a customs issue, but I take FULL blame for it.....

I originally sent packages out in plain white envelopes, with the contents
protected inside of standard Fed Ex and UPS type cardboard mailers. These
shipped just fine and arrived very quickly to all who placed their orders.

But, alas, I thought I would try using ULINE cardboard magazine shipping
boxes. What I didn't know is that boxes are treated differently than flat
packages. I needed to include, even with them being sent as publications, a
statement of inventory with each package. This was my fault, and I take the
full blame for it.

The PayPal screw-up is just something that happened. It has been resolved,
and we are back on course. Biggest problem with this was that I had no way
of knowing who ordered, but I have the entire PayPal list now, so we can
ship them this week.

Sincerely,

Webm...@FurNation.com

P.S. Since I am doing Print-on-Demand, I actually do not have the product
before the order arrives unless I print up a few boxes in advance.

Woolly Mittens

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Nov 9, 2003, 3:18:56 PM11/9/03
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"Icey" <n...@mailplease.thx> wrote in message
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>
> It certainly isn't theft, but selling a product without a product to
> sell is most certainly fraud, though.

He's selling prints, it doesn't matter whether he prints them before or
after you pay.


MoonSong

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Nov 9, 2003, 4:00:09 PM11/9/03
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> >>TAKING SOMONES MONEY AND SPENDING IT, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO
> >>PRINT ISSUES IS THEFT
> >
> >
> > Not by any definition of the law.
> >

Remember to NEVER sell you furniture or other things I have to buy material
to make before I deliver it to you.


Darkshadow

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"Iron Raptor" <gl...@connection.com> wrote in message
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> Apparently, despite me telling everyone NOT to feed the trolls, the trolls
> are still walking around with bloated stomachs. To those who can't seem
to
> just shut up and ignore them...
>
> Bite my shiny metal ass.. *asswiggle* People apparently don't seem to
> listen very well.

Mew..

*CHOMP*

OW!

darned mettal asses.

*goes to get the can opener BWAHAHAHAAAA!*


Snake

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Nov 10, 2003, 10:27:25 AM11/10/03
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<Webm...@FurNation.com> wrote in message
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Thank you very kindly for all this. Your forthrightness in all this show
those who wish to use it as a leverage point that to do so is just foolish.

If I may be so bold, for I know the problems of POD (trust me, for I do the
same :-) ) maybe preprinting a 2 week supply, based upon previous sales
history, may be prudent. You make a fine product, one in demand, so I do
not believe that keeping a very small inventory of them, long term, will be
a bad decision taking into account material and time costs (and those who do
not publish have /no/ idea the level of what those 'material and time costs'
quickly add up to!). Please do not find any offense in the previous
statement - I respect greatly what you do and the quality that you manage to
do it in.

Snake


Archer Justin Wolff

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Nov 10, 2003, 3:38:29 PM11/10/03
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I posted a while back about Furnation and all not being able to do anything and all,
and while I still think nothing can be done, I relise what I said didn't need to be
said. What Sibe and gang are doing are illegal and I still don't condone it but it's
a 'Do what I say, not what I do' thing. I only downloaded Genus Male 1,2 and tried to
download Karabiners CD because lets face it Paypal just isn't working. Sorry to all.
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Badgerguy

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Nov 11, 2003, 4:08:25 PM11/11/03
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Just to put my thoughts on the subject, although I don't agree with the
original rant, I am extremely dissatisfied with the service I have
received.

Whilst I accept the apologies of Nexxus and others, I think the whole
situation has been handled very badly indeed.

I placed my order six months ago. When it did not arrive I sent several
emails - to which I had no response, not even a 'Thanks for your message
but get stuffed'.

Eventually I managed to get hold of Nexxus on IRC, to be told to fill
out a form online which was coming soon. It took a while, but
eventually it appeared on the Furnation website. I filled it in,
getting no response by email.

I waited. And waited, and waited some more, and started emailing again,
again with no response. Eventually I managed to get hold of Nexxus on
IRC again, to be told the orders were shipping the next day. (This was
in September).

The order didn't arrive, and still no sign of ANY emails to let me know
what was going on. Eventually I made my posting here to find out who
else was having trouble, and got enough responses to convince me that
the service I was receiving, was fairly standard.

I have now at last received some correspondence, but not before time.

To expect me to wait six months for an order to be fulfilled without
prior notification is ridiculous. To do it without sending ANY emails
to me to let me know of the situation is appalling. And to expect
someone to wait this length of time, whilst also putting pictures on
your website showing how you've spent money building new servers, is
rubbing salt into the wound!

All I wanted was an email to let me know what was happening. And later
- some kind of proof that it was coming. I don't think this was too
much to ask - but I didn't get it.

Many who work with Furnation or Nexxus have posted messages defending
his actions - however anyone trying their best would keep customers
informed at all times of any problems and delays - not keep them in the
dark and mislead them. I hope the above will go some way to
demonstrating beyond any doubt, that the service provided so far is
inexcusable.
--
Badgerguy

Wanderer

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Nov 13, 2003, 1:18:28 AM11/13/03
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"Badgerguy" <badg...@badgersett.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Just to put my thoughts on the subject, although I don't agree with the
> original rant, I am extremely dissatisfied with the service I have
> received.
>

<snip... long story>

<nod> I understand, Badgerguy. Now here's where corcumstances conspired
against us all.

To begin with, FurNation underwent a move some time ago, a reaction to a
black mold infestation in Nexxus' apartment building. Combined with e-mail
troubles, phone companies unwilling to connect a T-1 or ISDN of any kind,
and the moving process itself, this resulted in Nexxus falling far behind in
responding to e-mails.

You say that the long silence is inexcusable, and Nexxus has already agreed
with you. He's very sorry about all the bother, and is doing his best to
make things right. Things just snowballed, and are now melting slowly.

Yours in Texas,

The wolfish,

Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com

"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne


Rexx

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Nov 13, 2003, 12:03:45 PM11/13/03
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"GoldenWolf" <maui...@graffiti.net> wrote in message
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> Btw nexxus. We are gonna help yah out. If you want to check out whos
> serving furnation magazines. Just go to www.ircspy.com and type in
> furnation. It should show you a list of any file we are serving.
>
> Fuck you :)
>
> -GoldenWolf

You know... Its one thing to complain about a problem. But why do most
people have to resort to swearing about everything and pointing fingers at
the great evil. Is it human nature to attack blindly without trying to find
a creative method of taking care of the problem? I am personally starting to
think so. Because while this idiot was spewing out small minded whining they
could have done something useful. But then agian those that seek the 'public
good' could care less couldnt they?

See ya around furs.

Rexx @ SPR

Oh... By the way. When you cut and paste garbage for links, make sure it
loooooks. Or else it makes you look like an idiot.


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