Religious gays and other such what the fuckery?

[uncleryles (owner)]

So I was rather amused to learn the other day that Dallas TX has the
third largest population of homosexuals in the USA. On that note many
of them are religious which makes me wonder how much these people
realize about religion and what it says about homosexuality. Islam is
one of the worst religions when it comes to persecution of
homosexuals, bu Catholicism isnt that much better. My question is, is
it not a little, how to phrase this, almost hypocritical to be a
religious homosexual??

[Trance Gemini]

One wonders if there's some self-hate involved as well given that the bible says gays should be stoned, or never have sex (depending on the Christian).
 

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[Dead Kennedy]

i was listening to a live panel debate a couple of months back and the
question about "whether britain was still a religious country" came
up.

The polititians being "politic" all skirted the issue talking about
how "faith informs their views but they dont...bible...blah...blah"

But the gay author on the panel said he thought that people who claim
a faith based approach to their politics should stand by their
religion.

1 week of stoning homos and adulterers, all the shops closed on a
sunday ect , would quickly get religion out of politics.

[LL]

On Aug 15, 3:24 am, Dead Kennedy <dead.kenne...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> i was listening to a live panel debate a couple of months back and the
> question about "whether britain was still a religious country" came
> up.
>
> The polititians being "politic" all skirted the issue talking about
> how "faith informs their views but they dont...bible...blah...blah"
>
> But the gay author on the panel said he thought that people who claim
> a faith based approach to their politics should stand by their
> religion.
>
> 1 week of stoning homos and adulterers, all the shops closed on a
> sunday ect , would quickly get religion out of politics.

LL: Don't be so sure. Religion is like a cancer.

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[Dead Kennedy]

seconded ;0)

[LL]

LL: Of course it is. It's testament to the hold religion has on people
even when it's obvious to nearly everyone else that it's a large part
of the problem.

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[Trance Gemini]

Hey Tatertot

Welcome to Freethinkers.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Tatertot <bpott...@gmail.com> wrote:

Funny you say this, because I have two gay friends that live in Dallas!

Really? Me too.

 

Growing up as a non denominational Christian and having a strong scriptural background, I would say that to the normal American Christian, it is hypocritical. But nowhere in the Bible is the word "homosexuality" mentioned. What many Christians fail to realize is that their precious and "divinely inspired" book was:

I'm not clear though as to whether you're still a Christian? Are you?

 

 

1) Written in a language that cannot possibly be translated to english and still uphold 100% integrity of the original context. Greek didn't even have punctuation! Not only that, but it is arranged by book length, not chronologically. So for the "once-a-week-I'm going to cherry pick a Bible verse and dwell on it" types, it would be impossible to know what the Bible really says about homosexuality.

No doubt.

 

 

The term "pais", which is used to refer to the Roman centurion's servant, is very specific in that a "pais" was typically considered not only an assistant and confidant, but a romantic partner as well.

The original Greek and Hebrew words used to refer same-sex relations are frequently misinterpreted as "homosexuality", when in fact that word was not first used until the late 1800s. The translation of that word as "homosexuality" is questionable for other reasons: The term was most frequently used to refer to a form of prostitution common in temples of the day, wherein underage males were paid and/or forced to have sex with other men.

How do you know this? First time I've heard that particular explanation and so am curious.

 

 

 

2) It was written for people with a completely different culture. It's like people in a first world country trying to advise people in a third world country; or even in our own country 100 years ago. I recently read a blog post that is gaining popularity online labeled: 50 peices of advice for your 20's. It was so superficial, I don't know how the majority of the human population could even relate to that being what 20 is all about. Most of the world is not worried about clubbing.

Understanding language is often about also having an intimate understanding of the culture and without that it's quite easy to misinterpret meanings.

 

 

 

 

I think there is a clear distinction between the paganistic Christian society we see today that merely use religion and ritual as a source of comfort, and those who really delve into the original text to seek original meaning with a historical critical perspective. I have no problem with Christians who follow the teachings of Christ, but are deeply disturbed by things in the bible, and seek answers for themselves. It's those who spout of Americanized Christian culture answers and have absolutely no way of backing up what they believe other than the cop out answer of "faith". 

That appears to be the most common form but  no doubt the more thoughtful and analytic Christians do exist.

 

 

If people REALLY studied the bible for more than spiritual comfort, they would realize how little it says about homosexuality, if anything directly at all. Christ certainly never spoke of it. 

I think it's really mostly Leviticus that has been interpreted in that particular way which is Old Testament.

 

 

^^I find that my friends who have done this are certainly okay with Homosexuality. There's also that "love the sinner, hate the sin" attitude that's taken in more liberally minded chruches.  

No doubt.

Interesting explanation of the issue.

 

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