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Kevin Jaques

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Apr 27, 2018, 9:15:20 PM4/27/18
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I looked at Frontier in the 90's and it looked very cool. Now I hear that OPML Editor is Frontier, reborn, runnable on a modern Mac for free. But how do I get started? Is there documentation? Tutorials?

Oliver Wrede

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Apr 28, 2018, 6:05:13 PM4/28/18
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Am Samstag, 28. April 2018 03:15:20 UTC+2 schrieb Kevin Jaques:

I looked at Frontier in the 90's and it looked very cool. Now I hear that OPML Editor is Frontier, reborn, runnable on a modern Mac for free. But how do I get started? Is there documentation? Tutorials?

Well, Dave Winer said so, that OPML Editor is Frontier. 

I'd say it WAS Frontier.

It is basically the same base program with new name and Icon — tweaked re-compiled to run on recent MacOS X. 

But Frontier was not just the applicatin. The main functionality came inside the databases (".root" files). The main database "frontier.root" is renamed to "opml.root" and has been changed. Many things that came with Frontier are missing or there is still stuff in the "opml.root" that appear to be relicts of the original "Frontier.root" but do not have any function in OPML Editor (e.g. there is still the old Userland license agreement for Frontier inside). There are also Guest Databases missing (like mainResponder.root) that came with Frontier. The concept of what the app is used for basically has evolved.

I haven't seen updated documentation. There is only the old Frontier stuff. And it was not so easy for newbies to get into even when the online documentation was current.








Dave Winer

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Apr 28, 2018, 6:38:28 PM4/28/18
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Oliver, that's not true. It's Frontier.root plus the stuff I developed over 14 years since the fork. 

mainResponder.root is not present because I took the contents of the root and included it in system.builtins.

This is not helpful. 

Dave

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Dave Winer

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Apr 28, 2018, 7:04:18 PM4/28/18
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Even better -- 

http://hellofrontier.com/

Dave

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 6:56 PM Anton Zuiker <zui...@gmail.com> wrote:


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On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Dave Winer <da...@smallpicture.com> wrote:
Oliver, that's not true. It's Frontier.root plus the stuff I developed over 14 years since the fork. 

mainResponder.root is not present because I took the contents of the root and included it in system.builtins.

This is not helpful. 

Dave
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Am Samstag, 28. April 2018 03:15:20 UTC+2 schrieb Kevin Jaques:

I looked at Frontier in the 90's and it looked very cool. Now I hear that OPML Editor is Frontier, reborn, runnable on a modern Mac for free. But how do I get started? Is there documentation? Tutorials?

Well, Dave Winer said so, that OPML Editor is Frontier. 

I'd say it WAS Frontier.

It is basically the same base program with new name and Icon — tweaked re-compiled to run on recent MacOS X. 

But Frontier was not just the applicatin. The main functionality came inside the databases (".root" files). The main database "frontier.root" is renamed to "opml.root" and has been changed. Many things that came with Frontier are missing or there is still stuff in the "opml.root" that appear to be relicts of the original "Frontier.root" but do not have any function in OPML Editor (e.g. there is still the old Userland license agreement for Frontier inside). There are also Guest Databases missing (like mainResponder.root) that came with Frontier. The concept of what the app is used for basically has evolved.

I haven't seen updated documentation. There is only the old Frontier stuff. And it was not so easy for newbies to get into even when the online documentation was current.








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Ted Howard

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Apr 29, 2018, 12:24:39 AM4/29/18
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If you're interested in creating tools, this is a good resource: http://andysylvester.com/2009/08/12/developing-opml-editor-tools/

Ted

Jörg Kantel

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Apr 29, 2018, 5:07:45 AM4/29/18
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I missed the Static Sites Tool. In 2009 it was available for the OPML Editor but know its gone. Why?

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Dave Winer

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Apr 29, 2018, 5:47:09 AM4/29/18
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It don’t know the history here. It looks like you have the tool. If this is a request for help, it would be useful to know what you did, what you expected to happen, what actually happened.

Keep in mind how much time has passed, and the fact that anyone working here is doing it for free.

Thanks,

Dave
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Jörg Kantel

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Apr 29, 2018, 6:19:08 AM4/29/18
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Hi Dave,

I lost the tool due to a computer crash. But I will try to find it by looking through my backups. If I can find it, I will try if it is running with the actual OPML Editor and if there is no licence problem I will make it available for public.

I'd run my blog for years with this tool and in my opinion it is still useful for making a static website from outlines with little effort.

pls. excuse my bad (d)english)
J"org

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Dave Winer

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Apr 29, 2018, 12:49:24 PM4/29/18
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Jorg, I've attached a copy of staticSites.root.

I had a lot of copies of it on my disk in various backups. This one came from my Inactive Tools folder. It looks like it went through a pretty solid release in 2010. Hope this helps

Dave



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Jörg Kantel

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Apr 29, 2018, 2:54:11 PM4/29/18
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Hi Dave,

Many thanks. If it works, I will make some experiments with it. Results I will publish in my blog. 

Let's reclaim the web 

Jörg 

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Oliver Wrede

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Apr 30, 2018, 6:10:26 AM4/30/18
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Am Samstag, 28. April 2018 03:15:20 UTC+2 schrieb Kevin Jaques:
I looked at Frontier in the 90's and it looked very cool. Now I hear that OPML Editor is Frontier, reborn, runnable on a modern Mac for free. But how do I get started? Is there documentation? Tutorials?


If you want to create own tools and learn about UserTalk a reference comes in handy as well: http://docserver.userland.com/ — also Andy Sylvesters tutorial is very good http://andysylvester.com/2009/08/12/developing-opml-editor-tools-part-1/


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