Kant slide griddle safety?

[DeepBlueDay]

Hello!

I have been considering picking up a Kant Slide for my Flair, but my
only hold back is my fear about the safety of aluminum cookware in
general.
I know now they say that anodized aluminum is somewhat safer, but what
about vintage aluminum cookware?
I have tried searching for this and have not found much solid info.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Jacquie

[Mark Day]

On the Frigidaire's the ALUMINUM cookware probably works the best.

That is what we primarily use on our Flair.

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[Thomas Nichols]

Jacquie

It's a pretty large request and I don't think anyone in the group would want to take the responsibility and step forward on this one, especially because of recent years speculation on aluminum. From all the information I have read, it seems like the jury is still out

on a definite answer.

 According to the U.S. Department of Health, the aluminum cookware is not a factor in absorbiing aluminum. They mention you can get more aluminum from anit-acids and buffered aspirin, then you can get from aluminum cookware. This is a summation on my part, and I would invite all of you to go to the internet on your own, and read all the input regarding this subject, and I am sure you will come up with differing opinions. As for myself I am not worried what so ever. There are many stories of people who have used aluminum cookware for a lifetime with no life threatening illnesses that could be traced to aluminum cookware, it seems, they always found other factors, such as, air pollution, land and food contamination.

My mother had our Flair installed in our home in 1963. She used the aluminum kant slide grill, the probe, the rottisserie and of the course the famous aluminum broiler pan all the time.

She would cook the turkey in the broiler pan, and keep the drippings in the bottom of the aluminum pan and make gravy and which was superb. Her cooking lasted until her passing in 

2003. That is forty years of use, without a problem with our Flair, ever! My mother was 88 years old, when passing. She died of natural causes, called old age. There are 5 of us children and all of us are alive and well, and nothing to indicate that any of us have aluminum over load of any kind.

The Flair was the only stove I ever cooked on and enjoyed cooking on it over the years. I took over cooking on mother's Flair, until 2008 when our family home was sold. That's when I had to make sure that I always cooked on a Flair no matter where I lived. Every time I cook on my Flair, it brings back all the family fun of growing up. As I said before, this is just a hobby and I am having a lot of fun with it and have 6 Flairs, and it just gets better.

Now, having said all that, knowing that others will read this and have their own opinions, I would invite anyone who has stories of using Flairs and their accessories and let us know of your personal experiences would be great to hear. There are so many people out there that are discovering these extraordinary ranges, for the first time,  that they are thirsty for any type of information about these ranges, that is out there. 

Tricks, ancedotes, quick checks, tips, anything that you can remember, please share it with us, no matter how small it is. Like Scott, locating oven cleaner in the socket for the burner, making a bad connection. Wow, how did that get past me! How many of us just replace an item, with out checking first, what might be the cause. Most of the time, it's simple. Sometimes, people give up on their Flair, because they don't understand it, or their repair man is too scared to look at it, when in actuality, it is quite simple.

Enough of time spent here, I hope this discussion in some way may help in any one making a decision using aluminum cookware. I thank you for the opportunity to shed some light on

this sensitive subject

Best Regards to all

Tom Nichols

LA TOM

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[Mark Day]

The Short and sweet is that there has never been a proven fact of there being a problem with cooking with ALUMINUM, actually some doctors will tell women to use deodorant with ALUMINUM.

There is more even cooking with ALUMINUM and some of your best cooking griddles are ALUMINUM.  

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[DeepBlueDay]

Wow!
Thanks to everyone who replied- (especially Tom!!! Holy cow!)- I
really appreciate your viewpoints on this.
The Flair accessories all look so amazing... I will for sure pick up a
Kant Slide now :)
I have never used or had any aluminum cookware before, hence my
trepidation- it's always great to hear family stories and personal
knowledge on the subject.
I did not grow up with a Flair. My initial interest in them was piqued
after reading a vintage kitchen blog, where the stove was a teal
Flair. I fell for it immediately!
Since I am a total newbie, I have a rather poor knowledge base when it
comes to the Flair and its accessories- but as time goes on I hope
that will change :)

Thanks for the input everyone!!
(And again, Tom... thank you SO very much for sharing your knowledge
and experience! It is so very appreciated.)


Jacquie

[scott...@yahoo.com]

Thank you Tom. One of the important points of being a member of a
group like this, or any other group that involves vintage things is to
preserve the parts that are still available to us. If that means a
simple procedure that can lead up to saving a part's replacement...all
the better! To me, that is what a forum like this is for (along with
passing on other stories of course).
There are plenty of reports available online regarding aluminum
cookware. I recall several years ago The Alzheimer's Association had
issued a report about aluminum cookware and any other consumer product
that contained aluminum and the potential hazards. I believe they had
published an actual list of the items.
It is all good information and research continues. It is up to each
of us to make informed choices when it comes to our health. I
personally still use aluminum/aluminum clad cookware and have all of
my life (mom does too) with no adverse effects.
Scott

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> Subject: [frigidaire-flair] Kant slide griddle safety?
>
> Hello!
>
> I have been considering picking up a Kant Slide for my Flair, but my
> only hold back is my fear about the safety of aluminum cookware in
> general.
> I know now they say that anodized aluminum is somewhat safer, but what
> about vintage aluminum cookware?
> I have tried searching for this and have not found much solid info.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jacquie
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[ASHLittle]

I, too, have dedicated a lot of my time searching the internet for a definitive answer about aluminum Personally I think there's enough of a problem with it, that we should pay attention.  Just like the Teflon scare; I've checked into that as well.  Research on both issues turned up compelling test results, and it's kinda crazy to ignore it.

So, here's the way i look at it:  I try my best to limit my exposure to both.  However, there are a few luxuries in life that I've decided to allow, after weighing the risks.  Deodorant is one.  :)  I love non-stick cookware... so I searched long & hard & paid too much for a set of new "safe" non-stickcoating pots & pans.  Happy! 
I have almost no plain old aluminum cookware. But I bought the broiler/roasting set original to the Flair. And bought the kant-slide Teflon (Ooooooo!) Griddle.  My Mom used all that every day, and passed away at 94. There ya go.

ASHLittle

On Jan 26, 2011 3:19 PM, "Mark Day" <Md...@cscc.edu> wrote:

[Mark Day]

It is rather amazing, if there was a health problem with Aluminum cookware it would be ban just like anything else.

>>> "scott...@yahoo.com" <scott...@yahoo.com> 1/27/2011 9:20 PM >>>

[Mark Day]

I saw an add for WWW.ORGREENIC.COM

I believe this is aluminim with a ceramic coating in the cooking surface area.

I have no ties or financial interest in this product, I thought that I might try it to see if it is as good as it seems.

Mark Day 

>>> ASHLittle <Edwin...@TheLittles.com> 1/27/2011 10:22 PM >>>

[ASHLittle]

I bought Calphalon Contemporary... after reading up for weeks.  I'm knocked out by the design, quality... everything. Joy to use in my Flair. Think they also work on newer smooth-top ranges, too.  Tickled with them.  
You might enjoy this:

     The original nonstick cookware, coated with Teflon (PTFE), was disappointing to many people. Although modern coatings have overcome a lot of the shortcomings of the first versions, most nonstick cookware lines are still made with some version of PTFE. The difference is in how the coating is applied to the surface of the pan.

  In more advanced designs such as Calphalon nonstick cookware, the coating doesn't actually sit on top of the surface at all; rather it fills microscopic pits in an extremely hard and scratchproof metal surface. The food still doesn't stick, but now you can use metal utensils without worrying about scratching the coating. Safety In Nonstick Cookware
PTFE used to dress the surface of nonstick cookware is chemically inert. Even if small bits of it do eventually wear or flake off and you inadvertently ingest them, the material passes harmlessly through the body. The identical PTFE tubing is used in medical devices to handle blood and other fluids with no ill effect on patients.
When working with PTFE-coated nonstick cookware, don't heat an empty pan or cook over high heat, as at some point you could get the pan hot enough to damage the coating or to start generating fumes.
If you own a pet bird (or if a pet bird own you), you should not own nonstick cookware. A single incident of a family member overheating a PTFE-coated pan can cause the death of any bird in the house. The risk to human health is negligible, but you cannot foresee all circumstances in which you might inadvertently leave a nonstick cookware pan unattended. Doing so can ruin any kind of pan, but only nonstick pans can asphyxiate a bird.
Another concern is that the manufacture of PTFE has been linked with negative environmental effects. Manufacturers, though, are working to resolve those issues by introducing newer chemical formulations for nonstick coatings.

ASHLittle

[ASHLittle]

P.S.  I bought it from the nicest, older (retired) gentleman on Ebay... I think from Fla.  OMG!  Waaaay cheaper. Oh, not all Calphalon is... not the kind I hot - contemporary has LIFETIME warranty. 

ASHLittle

On Jan 29, 2011 10:40 AM, "Mark Day" <md...@cscc.edu> wrote:

[scott...@yahoo.com]

I use Calphalon Contemporary and my old Farberware on my Flair. I do
notice that the Calphalon does a better job on the heat minder coil
than the Farberware does. The Calphalon is worth the price you pay
for it. I can't seem to wear my Farberware out.
Scott

[ASHLittle]

Coooool! I'm so impressed with the shape, style, weight... all of the Contemporary. Makes cooking on the Flair even better.  Getting great price on EBay ... awesome.

On Jan 30, 2011 8:41 PM, "scott...@yahoo.com" <scott...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Mark Day]

The whole idea is that the heat minder and the pan MUST make good contact to work correctly.

>>> "scott...@yahoo.com" <scott...@yahoo.com> 1/30/2011 9:41 PM >>>

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The Calphalon Contemporary cookware is on sale at the on-line Macy’s; ten piece was $279 now 199 less an additional 15%.  If you buy more than $300 of Calphalon they will throw in a 5qt dutch oven.  (I have no affiliation with Macy’s, BTW) -p

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[scott...@yahoo.com]

There is an obvious difference in the bottoms of the pans both in
weight and density. I can see why the Calphalon transfers heat and
makes better contact on the element/sensor.

On Jan 31, 7:25 am, "Mark Day" <M...@cscc.edu> wrote:
> The whole idea is that the heat minder and the pan MUST make good contact to work correctly.
>

> >>> "scottvin...@yahoo.com" <scottvin...@yahoo.com> 1/30/2011 9:41 PM >>>

[Mark Day]

some of the bottoms warp. IE ( putting cold water from the faucet in a pot or pan.

>>> "scott...@yahoo.com" <scott...@yahoo.com> 1/31/2011 12:54 PM >>>

[Karen Combs]

I was curious so I clicked on the link. I watched the infomercial on
the website and then I did a Google search about the cookware. Looks
like the company is bad news! Lots of people using the word "SCAM".
Read many complaints about phone ordering but, ordering online was a
scam, too. Legitimate companies don't need to operate that way.
Personally, I'll stay away from that company. Even if the product is
wonderful, I don't want the headache.

One of the reviews of the Orgreenic mentioned Xtrema Cookware. A
pyro-ceram product along the same lines of the older Corningware but,
with better non-stick properties. Never heard of it but, it might be
worth checking out.

Cheers,
Karen Combs

Mark Day wrote:
> I saw an add for WWW.ORGREENIC.COM <http://www.ORGREENIC.COM>

> I believe this is aluminim with a ceramic coating in the cooking
> surface area.
> I have no ties or financial interest in this product, I thought that I
> might try it to see if it is as good as it seems.
> Mark Day
>
> >>> ASHLittle <Edwin...@TheLittles.com> 1/27/2011 10:22 PM >>>
>
> I, too, have dedicated a lot of my time searching the internet for a
> definitive answer about aluminum Personally I think there's enough of
> a problem with it, that we should pay attention. Just like the Teflon
> scare; I've checked into that as well. Research on both issues turned
> up compelling test results, and it's kinda crazy to ignore it.
>
> So, here's the way i look at it: I try my best to limit my exposure to
> both. However, there are a few luxuries in life that I've decided to
> allow, after weighing the risks. Deodorant is one. :) I love non-stick
> cookware... so I searched long & hard & paid too much for a set of new
> "safe" non-stickcoating pots & pans. Happy!
> I have almost no plain old aluminum cookware. But I bought the
> broiler/roasting set original to the Flair. And bought the kant-slide
> Teflon (Ooooooo!) Griddle. My Mom used all that every day, and passed
> away at 94. There ya go.
>
> ASHLittle
>
> On Jan 26, 2011 3:19 PM, "Mark Day" <Md...@cscc.edu