Fwd: Re: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23

[Bob Provencher]

FYI

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Subject:	Re: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23
Date:	Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:08:10 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Charles Tom Richards <gbgofch...@embarqmail.com>
To:	Bob Provencher <b...@provencher.org>

Hi Bob,

I was informed (22 Sept. 2014 @ 4:19 PM) that we are not to schedule any reservations for Yard's Creek Scout Reservation.  Please inform 
anyone who may have expressed interest about potential future reservations that the facility is not available.
 
The council has been advised that the BSA can not take on any activity or program that jeopardizes its ability to completely dissolve itself and reconcile its financial obligations. 
 
Thank You
YIS
Tom

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From: "Bob Provencher" <b...@provencher.org>
To: gbgofch...@embarqmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:46:41 PM
Subject: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23

Tom -

This is Bob Provencher CC of Troop 153 in Knowlton.  We'd like to 
reserve our former adopt-a-site site Delaware in Yards Creek for 
11/21-11/23.

-- 
Bob Provencher
b...@provencher.org
http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobprovencher

[Craig_Carey]

Man that really sucks. Might as well tell us we are being converted to communism.

YIS, Craig Carey

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[marcia karrow]

Has anyone actually spoken to anyone at JCPL who has some decision making authority independent of Central Jersey Council? 

YiS, Marcia Karrow

[Walker, Doug]

Before this spirals out of control into some sort of doomsday scenario, here is the latest update.

The reason reservations were broadly cancelled at both YCSR and KMSR is due to the liability insurance tiering in BSA. If a claim is filed, CNJC is the primary party responsible for payment. Once that level is exceeded, then BSA National steps in, and if that is exceeded it goes to an umbrella policy (think Lloyds of London). Since CNJC is effectively bankrupt, they are not able to meet their portion of the claim. BSA National made the decision not to step in to cover that portion of a claim. It's a sound business decision and one that any reasonable person running a company would make. We may not like the decision, but it's rooted in logic.

That said, you can still launch a hike on the AT from YCSR, but there is no formal program and no overnight activities until the camp is transferred.

FirstEnergy did provide a first draft of a transfer agreement this past Tuesday, so progress is being made.

More as it happens...

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[Jerry]

Doug , 

Thanks for the update. 

YIS 

Jerry

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[Eric Dyott]

Any update on Yards Creek? Its going to be getting warmer soon an not sure if any cleanup activities are scheduled yet.

Thanks,

Eric Dyott

[Walker, Doug]

Eric,

 

The transfer of YCSR between CNJC and First Energy is still in process.  Though we don’t have any firm dates yet, an update received earlier this week from First Energy indicated that they expect the transfer to have in the next month +/-.  Again, not a definitive timeline or date.

 

Once that happens, First Energy will be reaching out to FoYCSR to discuss the future of the property.

 

For now, no one is permitted on the property without an escort and explicit permission from CNJC, so we have not made any plans for any activities on the property, and won’t until after the transfer to First Energy.

 

Thanks for your ongoing interest and patience.

 

YiS,

 

Doug Walker

VP, FoYCSR

[Thomas Lauton]

As far as I know Yards Creek is done. Haven't heard anything different. 

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[Walker, Doug]

Tom,

 

YCSR is now available for use at the current time due to a policy change from BSA National.  Once the transfer is complete between CNJC/BSA and First Energy, the property should be once again available for use by Scouts.

 

Stating that the camp is done is not correct or constructive.

 

YiS,

 

Doug Walker

VP, FoYCSR

 

[Anthony Lorenzoni]

You just told him it is now available!

[Walker, Doug]

Tom,

 

One small clarification.  YCSR is NOT available.  I wrote “now” below. 

 

Apologies for the typo.

 

Doug

[Kirsten Veneziale]

Got me excited!!
            - Kirsten

[Thomas Lauton]

Well Doug, if it does become available, let's hope whatever equipment that was left there hasn't been ransacked by employees. I will keep the rest of my thoughts on the entire situation of council and how it came to this to myself as I will have nothing nice to say. 

I hope it works out for you guys. At least then we know YC will be taken care of. 

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[Eric Dyott]

Thanks for the update! As for the site itself I really do hope everything works out. Growing up attending Yards Creek as a Scout has left me with some of the best childhood memories I have and being able to donate my time to help maintain/restore the camp would be an honor. Please continue to keep us all informed.

Thank you,

Eric Dyott

[Eric Dyott]

Been several months without seeing an update, do we know the status or if Yards will ever be opened again for camping?

Thanks,

Eric Dyott

[jmmudgejr]

Eric

I would say that it will likely be a long time before yards creek opens for camping. The power company has not accepted the Friends proposal and as time goes by this group is becoming less together as scouting divisions and priorities  pull on them.

Not good news. 

Jack

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[Thomas Lauton]

I don't see how considering they stole...... I mean liquidated everything they could get money for. 

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[Walker, Doug]

The most current update is that CNJC is hosting a second round of bidding for the remaining camp assets.

The transfer talks between CNJC and FirstEnergy are ongoing and have been focused on some environmental impact studies in various places in camp. FirstEnergy has also requested that the rifle and shotgun facilities be completely removed since there will be no use of firearms on the property once the transfer is complete.

FirstEnergy continues to state that they would like to see continued use of the property by Scouts after the transfer is complete. There will be certain sections of the property that will be off-limits to camping, such as the main field and anything past the chapel toward the outpost sites.

I know that CNJC is working to close the transfer this year, along with the KMSR transfer so that they can close their books in 2015 and not have to wait until the end of 2016.

As with any major change in management, I'm sure we'll all have some adjusting to do with the new FirstEnergy policies, but keep in mind that we're not losing all access to the property and that's the most important thing. We should still be permitted to run weekend camping events, day events and launch or end treks on the AT.

I encourage everyone to be patient, and keep ourselves focused on the positives and not the ongoing negatives like asset liquidation and the removal of certain program elements.

YCSR is still a great place to camp, to hold non-shooting program and to bring our scouts to share in our memories and create some of their own.

And with the property being owned by FirstEnergy it becomes a place where we can send prospective Eagle scouts for their projects. And lord knows there are plenty of opportunities for improvements in camp.

Chins up, stay focused on the prize. The end of CNJC's involvement seems near.

I hope to see you all up in camp before too long.

Yours in Scouting,


Doug Walker
VP, FoYCSR

[Gerri Ruth Klein]

Hi Doug, hope all is well with everyone!  Thanks for once again being the voice of reason!!​

[Jean Thayer]

thanks for the good explanation Doug

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[John Kauza]

"All"

I would appreciate it if some restraint were used before the rifle and shotgun ranges were dismantled for two reasons:

-I have a great deal of expensive signage and benches at these ranges. Plus, the two shotgun ranges were dedicated to three individual scoutmasters, whose troops would like the signs with their names.

- It would be a mistake to dismantle the structures as they can be used for a variety of events. I built them with that in mind. The rifle range especially is a large, well built, covered structure ( 60' x 30' ), that could be used for a number of merit badges and special events (e.g.Tote 'n Chip, Ordeal, etc.). Did anybody propose this to First Energy?

The ranges can be made non-shooting operational without such a drastic "tear them all down" approach.

It would have been courteous if someone had bothered to keep me in the loop on this plan given my 42 years of Boy Scout volunteering, 37 of which were spent at YCSR on building ranges, fixing roads, scrounging materials, and more.

By the way, does anyone know why First Energy is taking such an anti-gun approach? This could not be a spur of the moment thing.

I want frequent access  to the camp to retrieve my safe and show prospective buyers my property. How do I get that as my e-mails and phone calls to Al Zack are not answered. I would like to know who is leading this current effort and how I can contact him.

One last point on safety and the transfer of the few firearms still stored in my safe. At least 4 of the 5 Remingtons have bad headspace and are a potential serious hazard if used as is. Fixing headspace is not a trivial task as some would like us led to believe. I spoke to two of Remington's top repairmen and both said that the barrels would have to be removed, pins re-drilled, barrels replaced with new ones if the current ones were not able to be refitted, headspace re-set and each rifle test fired with proof rounds.

As the Council Shooting Sports Program Director I have offered to accept ownership of these firearms, but have yet to receive any response. YCSR may never hear any gunfire from Scouts wanting to earn these badges, but my course is still running and I am willing to have a professional repair these rifles as well as check the others. Can I get them or not?

John

PS I would appreciate it if those to whom I blind copied this let me know if they would be willing to take a day to help me retrieve my property.

From: "'Jerry' via Friends of Yards Creek Scout Reservation" <friends-of-yards-cre...@googlegroups.com>

To: friends-of-yards-cre...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:35:37 AM
Subject: Re: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23

 

Doug , 

 

Thanks for the update. 

 

YIS 

Jerry

 

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On Oct 4, 2014, at 8:42 AM, "Walker, Doug" <DoWa...@pershing.com> wrote:

 

Before this spirals out of control into some sort of doomsday scenario, here is the latest update.

The reason reservations were broadly cancelled at both YCSR and KMSR is due to the liability insurance tiering in BSA. If a claim is filed, CNJC is the primary party responsible for payment. Once that level is exceeded, then BSA National steps in, and if that is exceeded it goes to an umbrella policy (think Lloyds of London). Since CNJC is effectively bankrupt, they are not able to meet their portion of the claim. BSA National made the decision not to step in to cover that portion of a claim. It's a sound business decision and one that any reasonable person running a company would make. We may not like the decision, but it's rooted in logic.

That said, you can still launch a hike on the AT from YCSR, but there is no formal program and no overnight activities until the camp is transferred.

FirstEnergy did provide a first draft of a transfer agreement this past Tuesday, so progress is being made.

More as it happens...
 

From: 'marcia karrow' via Friends of Yards Creek Scout Reservation [mailto:friends-of-yards-cre...@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 07:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23
 

Has anyone actually spoken to anyone at JCPL who has some decision making authority independent of Central Jersey Council? 

YiS, Marcia Karrow

 

On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:47 AM, Craig_Carey <craig...@comcast.net> wrote:

 

Man that really sucks. Might as well tell us we are being converted to communism.

YIS, Craig Carey

 

From: "Bob Provencher" <aesirs...@gmail.com>

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[Walker, Doug]

John,

I'll email you separately since this is a very wide distribution that you just emailed. The short answer is that FirstEnergy has made a decision for no firearms at their facility and they don't want any parts of a "range" left intact. This is likely due to some of the issues currently faced at KMSR where people are now trespassing and using the range without permission.

The shotgun station dedication signage is already marked for preservation. And we're working with CNJC to 1) get the shotgun stations donated to the State of NJ for use at the range on Rte 173 in Clinton and 2) to have the rifle range pavilion moved in sections to the main field for use as one or more pavilions there.

YiS,

Doug Walker
VP, FoYCSR

[John Kauza]

Doug,

 

I was deliberately kept out of the proverbial loop despite many efforts on my part to get information. I'd like to know why I wasn't involved?

 

John

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[jmmudgejr]

John

Unfortunately, hearts have and will continue to be broken over ycsr.  I don't think anyone currently is responsible. Ycsr closing has happen and it would be very unlikely that without a dynamic change it will be surprising to me if any scout organization is given  control again. No other council would want that. Most of the volunteers are now sucked up into other organizations.  Pulling everyone in different directions. 

We can never feel good about this as we all have memories and also understand the huge potential the camp had. Very sad. My guess is that very little is left in camp as bsa has sold everything.  You should have been consulted as there are safety and personal issue involved.

however  lack of skills in dealing with 

with difficult communications  is likely not  a possiblility.  I wish there was better news.  Jack

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Subject: Re: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23



As far as I know Yards Creek is done. Haven't heard anything different.

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On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Eric Dyott <edy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Any update on Yards Creek? Its going to be getting warmer soon an not sure if any cleanup activities are scheduled yet.



Thanks,

Eric Dyott



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Doug ,



Thanks for the update.



YIS

Jerry



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On Oct 4, 2014, at 8:42 AM, "Walker, Doug" < <mailto:DoWa...@pershing.com> DoWa...@pershing.com> wrote:



Before this spirals out of control into some sort of doomsday scenario, here is the latest update.

The reason reservations were broadly cancelled at both YCSR and KMSR is due to the liability insurance tiering in BSA. If a claim is filed, CNJC is the primary party responsible for payment. Once that level is exceeded, then BSA National steps in, and if that is exceeded it goes to an umbrella policy (think Lloyds of London). Since CNJC is effectively bankrupt, they are not able to meet their portion of the claim. BSA National made the decision not to step in to cover that portion of a claim. It's a sound business decision and one that any reasonable person running a company would make. We may not like the decision, but it's rooted in logic.

That said, you can still launch a hike on the AT from YCSR, but there is no formal program and no overnight activities until the camp is transferred.

FirstEnergy did provide a first draft of a transfer agreement this past Tuesday, so progress is being made.

More as it happens...

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Has anyone actually spoken to anyone at JCPL who has some decision making authority independent of Central Jersey Council?

YiS, Marcia Karrow

On Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:47 AM, Craig_Carey < <mailto:craig...@comcast.net> craig...@comcast.net> wrote:



Man that really sucks. Might as well tell us we are being converted to communism.

YIS, Craig Carey

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FYI


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Subject:        Re: Yards Creek Reservation Request - Delaware 11/21-11/23    
Date:   Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:08:10 -0400 (EDT)  
From:   Charles Tom Richards <gbgofch...@embarqmail.com> 
To:     Bob Provencher <b...@provencher.org>   


Hi Bob,



I was informed (22 Sept. 2014 @ 4:19 PM) that we are not to schedule any reservations for Yard's Creek Scout Reservation.  Please inform

anyone who may have expressed interest about potential future reservations that the facility is not available.



The council has been advised that the BSA can not take on any activity or program that jeopardizes its ability to completely dissolve itself and reconcile its financial obligations.



Thank You

YIS

Tom



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