Liz
Most of of u know me. well I just want to know how do u deal with life
or an addiction when after so many years of being clean people
randomly start picking on you and make ur life a living hell...No I am
trying and doing my best but why is this happening. I am being
maliciously acussed of drug dealing etc when all I have done is try
help people besides myself. I am genuinely heartbroken. Yep I know
some people on this forum don't relate to South African standards but
I made it but feel like a failure...Yes Brian I know u probably
reading this too but I am sooooo tired I have had it honest to what
ever u wanna call it HIgher power...I wish i was still on drugs....
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
with the way other people percieved me.There is great stigma that
comes with addiction-with the way you view yourself and you think/know
(!) other people view you -not helped by all the reasons and
insecurities that lead you into the problem in the first place.This of
course greatly amplified by suddenly 'coming clean'!.
The best advice I've got (for what its worth), is to 'train' yourself
not to place too much emphasise or creedence into what other people
think about you-and I mean good or bad,compliment or insult! Just make
damn sure that you justify what you do yourself,morally and in the
best possible way.Do not look to others for,well
anything!...especially the ones with 'honeyed words' and smiles-you'd
be suprised how fickle and insincere people can be! Of course not
everyone,you'll recognise and trust them in time.'Garrison your own
fortress'!-just make sure your getting it right (..the difficult
bit,of course!)
On nearing his passing into Parinibbana,his body failing, and by way
of offering one of his final peices of advice to his uncertain and
very distressed Bikkhus-
"..each of you should make himself an island and no-one else his
refuge,each of you should make the Dhamma and nothing else his
refuge".
Difficult,but definately worth a 'punt'! Hope this is of some use.Best
wishes.Mfk.
P.s.As always,I can only speak from my experience.
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
idiot(z) ill-advised opinion.!!mfk
>
> - Show quoted text -
Liz
you have said here. It has given me a different insight on how to
deal with my situation, especially the last part where u have stated
about each of us making ourselves an island etc, very powerful words.
It has been greatly appreciated and opened my eyes to people who do
not know any better. I honestly needed some advice from the forum as I
have been attacked for the last couple of weeks(it hurts especially
having been clean for a good few years), well I will allow my mind to
remain positive, castaway the negativity and dwell on my island :0))
Thank you once again
Take good care
Liz
Catriona Dunne
stuart
What the fuck are peolpe like eh! Or is it just me! I
felt i was being picked on, not so long ago in fact. Have also been
accused of being a drug dealer as well, all this was while i was
working hard and clean to boot!! The emotional pain was a fucking
nightmare...is it just me or are we all like that? I tend to think we
(addicts) are all like that! I for one do tend to take it to heart!
My old man once said to me its jealousy! See Liz I think your doing
the right thing in sharing it with like minded people, you see the old
me would have lashed out and defended myself with old school ways, not
anymore though. I havent become a door mat, although i do deal with
things a lot differently now. Sharing that pain with people who
understand is one way. I always thought i wanted to fit in...fuck its
taken a few clean years to come to this, guess what i dont think i do
and dont think i want to, i get along just fine playing the game! If
thats some sort of insight then iam grateful for it. Liz i for one
think you are a good person, what you done for your friend Eddie
speaks for its self. Take care.
Stuart
Audrey Ward
I have no idea what you mean by South African Standards. I am from Ireland.
But I do know pain and how other people can really hurt. You sound so down
and I think you are very vulnerable. Unfortunately there are those who
instead of helping or respecting people who are feeling low. Walk on them
to put them selves up higher or take the limelight of their own failings and
flaws. What you have got to remember is you had to face something and had
the courage to fight it and took extreme steps to over come it. What
boundaries have they ever pushed? What have they ever done to help another
human being. Its easy to be perfect and self righteous when you have never
had to fight for anything. You are a winner, they know it but just do not
want to believe that someone can be more successful than they ever could be.
The main thing is what you think of yourself as a person now. Not what you
once where or ever did. But now the choices you make. My advise is this,
"be more concerned with how you think about them, than what they think about
you and so should they". At the end of the day people of a certain nature
will always find someone to blame or get their anger out on. If its the
poor young girl who gets pregnant, they will blame her for bleeding the
system and being a slut. If its some bloke who is not working they blame
him for being a waster, if it's a woman who has children and is working they
tell her she should be at home with her kids. If the woman is at home with
her kids they tell her she should get a job. We always will have these
narrow bigots around. Just be thankful we are more understanding and not so
narrow minded to know, that we all come from a different place and different
experiences. In all honesty I find people like this with big mouths are
loud but not popular. Even amongst their family members as they probably
point out all their faults to. What goes around definitely comes around.
Yours is coming. Most important do not let these people be proved right.
They would love that, do not take anything so they can say. "told you so,
she is this etc."
Stay safe and ride this bad period out, you will be able to look back and
wonder why you let these people effect you the stronger you get. Stick with
those who are positive and are a joy in your life. Just walk away from the
negative. I know its easier said than done. But giving up an addiction was
hard and you did that. You got through worse. You will get through this.
Warmest thoughts and good vibes to you.
Audrey
Tommy
>> Hi guys
>> Most of of u know me. well I just want to know how do u deal with life
>> or an addiction when after so many years of being clean people
>> randomly start picking on you and make ur life a living hell...No I am
>> trying and doing my best but why is this happening. I am being
>> maliciously acussed of drug dealing etc when all I have done is try
>> help people besides myself. I am genuinely heartbroken. Yep I know
>> some people on this forum don't relate to South African standards but
>> I made it but feel like a failure...Yes Brian I know u probably
>> reading this too but I am sooooo tired I have had it honest to what
>> ever u wanna call it HIgher power...I wish i was still on drugs....
Its not about what others think of you Liz...
It seems to me about 'what you think' others think of you.
One or two things about addicts and alcoholics according to the
Doctors Opinion is that we are narcissistic, childish and with an
extreme belief in our own invulnerability. Our own omnipotence.
Couple that with our stigma and shame and guilt, our storehouse of
imaginary slights - no wonder the call us insane. Because if we ain't
insane, we definitely don't fit in as 'normal'/ Least I don't anyway.
Is it our conscience, our wanting to fit in where we never fitted
before and where it feels we will never fit in again ??
I don't know. All I do know for sure is that life gets complicated.
People get complicated. Even I get more complicated the more I look
at myself. Probably why I spend time trying so much not to look at
myself. Feck it, it dont work, the more I try, the more I always end
up examining what the hell I think people are thinking about me.
People places and things ? all out of my jurisdiction.
Cheers
Tommy
Liz
Thank u so much for sharing with me at least I know as a recovering
addict for the last I assume now 9 years I tend to lose track of time
I have been thro hell with all the accusations, non in my head but
straight to my face, wow its a mind blow but yeah I have learnt to
react just like you Stuart I would have gone way over the top and
taken their heads off, its actually not the right time for me to
answer as I am still in an emotional state but have been stronger
since I last spoke. Catriona I wish u all the best on ur journey to
THMKB I know u will find peace, happiness and all the answers to ur
problems IF that is what u r seeking :0)) Thanks GUYS I am ever so
grateful for the support I have actually learn't to distance myself
from this situation and not respond to the negative messages, BELIEVE
ME its been friggin hard....at least I am not alone... Take
care...Life is tough being straight ....with u guys all the way, thanx
my next consignment from Thailand hopefully they will get the message
I am clean HELLO i WANT LIFE NOT DEATH SENTENCE, South Africa is very
new to drugs....
Take care and thanks so much for allowing me to let steam off my kids
paid a bit of the price by mum being moody, better that than crack or
heroin, I have been told every time I go to Thailand to buy clothing
for my business I am doing a drug deal HELLO Tommy ITS NOT a figment
of my imagination its been sent either via sms or email, yep Stu I can
relate to all of this but given my life history how long is this going
to happen..............I ignore but I am tired...cos I live in ONE
small town which causes loads of shit, shit which in SA is way beyond
the stages of drug addiction in other countries...they DO NOT have the
facilities in this place to deal with Class A drugs.....All I have to
say I have fought and tried my best I will never give up on anyone or
myself and fortunately/unfortunately have just employed a wonderful
lady whom has just done 10 years but came off on a lighter sentence
for drug dealing which I have NEVER done she has FUCK ALL but Eds fell
in luv with her......she is such a good woman ...but now I am using
her to drug mule how sick is this world. I am saying more than what I
am meant to but what is wrong with people....South Africans genuinely
r very naive, gullible and I wish I could do more to open the gateway
to Thailand. I will never forget when we took Eddie to the monastery
we came home alone the first thing we were asked at immigration is
"where is mr wilcocks" what a wondeful world.............enough of me
...I at least know by reading all these msgs I am NOT alone..Take care
Liz
Liz
:0)))
richard harrell
From: Liz <myst...@gmail.com>
To: Friends-of-Tham...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 3:44:53 PM
Subject: [FOTM:1874] Re:
Audrey Ward
Only in the eyes of narrow minded gits who have nought else to think of. Unintelligent people assume if you took drugs you much have dealt them as well. Not the case. Those that give up have achieved. People can stop taking drugs. But some people have ugly personalities for life. Become a man Rick and put your name and address down to back up that slander. Easy to pick on and bully girls by email. Find a good cause to put all that hate into. If you so full of self righteousness. There are plenty of abused children who could do with you fighting for improvement. Or cancer patients who need people to fund raise. NO point being an anti war protestor. That accomplishes nothing. Become a peace protestor. Stop being Anti anything and start doing something with your time and energy Rick. There are always people like you who will moan and give out. Leave the good work to those who push themselves. Who have you actually helped out today. Name a human being you have made a difference to. Liz can name many.
Liz
IF THE SHOE FITS WEAR IT IT OKAY, GET A LIFE AS YOU DO NOT KNOW ME. I
HAPPEN TO BE A RECOVERING ADDICT NOT A DRUG DEALER SO GO F***K
YOURSELF. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY THEN RATHER KEEP IT TO
YOURSLEF, WELL I AM VERY CURIOUS AS TO HOW THE OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS
FORUM ARE GOING TO REACT TO YOUR RESPONSE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO TAKE A
TRIP TO THE MONASTERY WILL CHANGE YOUR IMMATURE LITTLE MIND FOR YOU SO
QUICK OR ACTUALLY I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY RUN AS YOU NOT MAN ENOUGH
TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF
LIFE.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stuart
Can't say i agree with you on this one! Maybe you would
like to try and change my way of thinking around this!!
Stuart
On Jun 6, 2:22 am, richard harrell <rgh4u...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Liz,
> Once a dealer always a dealer.
> Rick
>
> ________________________________
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
-just 'popping-up' out of nowhere,like that and taking a 'pot-shot'
at an,already 'visibly' upset recovering addict,who has come to this
site for advice,comfort and assistance displays some fairly unsavoury
characteristics-'ungentlemanly',being the least.I do hope I'm
wrong,and maybe we have all just misunderstand your remark ,in its
isolation.You'll find people on this site with all sorts of
'history's'-christ,mate you wanna hear mine!! I can also
tell you your statement,alone and as it appears,is completely
'unfounded',looks ludicrously out of place and is certainly not true
(I can vouch!)
...Liz,if I can 'ditto' my sentiments at the top of this thread-who
gives a 'shit' what people think !!(even in cyberspace)-as long as
your 'happy' with what you do-at the end of the day,its your Karma
(good or bad)-and solely your concern.......this is the Buddhist 'way'-
if you can get your head around that then NO-ONE will upset you (and
its great fun watching them try!!)
MFK.
> Once a dealer always a dealer.
> Rick
>
> ________________________________
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
drug trafficking,the fact that you've even admitted not only the
possibilty,but also the details-for the Whole World to see,here on
this site,I would say, absolves you by hidden de-fault!....now you'd
have to be really stupid to to that,wouldn't you?
(On a 'higher note',and to re-confirm the point I was trying to make
earlier-it really doesn't matter what you 'do'-YOU pick up the tab 'at
the end of the meal',and its in your best interests to act as best you
can!...But its STILL no-body elses business!!!......Very Liberating,it
is!!)
Vince Cullen
Hey, I don't know but we can all see things differently from different perspectives.
You know maybe, and I might have this all wrong, but I actually read Rick's message as:
"Once a dealer - always a dealer!!!"
...I've put the "quotation marks" and exclamation mark there so that it becomes a comment on society's ignorance; in the same way that many ignorant people say "once a junkie - always a junkie" and we all know the truth of that. It's a message of support... albeit perhaps coming from a place of resignation.
I don't know.
Anyway, Liz, you know you have my full support.
Look after yourselves.
Best wishes to all... with Metta,
Vince
__________________________________
268 - 269
Silence does not denote profundity
if you are ignorant and untrained.
Like one holding scales,
a sage weighs things up,
wholesome and unwholesome,
and comes to know
both the inner and outer worlds.
Therefore the sage is called wise.
__________________________________
A DHAMMAPADA for CONTEMPLATION
http://aruno.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=241&Itemid=80
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
first,thinking perhaps he was referring to Liz's business dealings
regarding clothes.If so deepest apologies Richard,if I said anything
untoward-it is ambigious-perhaps you can clarify??!!
Most of my advice stands true,regardless.
P.s."Fools rush in where angels dare to tread".
Brian Haffenden
Once a dealer always a dealer.
Rick
Although I read every message that is posted I rarely come forward with a (published) reply. Today is an exception.
Audrey Ward
If this is the case I would always apologies. Bear in mind that liz was very distressed and my instinct was to support her. So perhaps we should be very careful. It is enough to knock someone who is on edge, over, that was my fear, so I responded fast to help her out and show her there was someone on her side. There was no mention of anything compassionate or supportive in Richards message. Not even with a “best wishes” so the tone was set. If he was merely stating what Vince says, perhaps he should let us know and most importantly Liz who is clearly having a bad time. A little bit of tact. AS also it gets mentioned quite often on this and perhaps it is true we answer to no one but our selves and for some that means what we have to enjoy or endure in the next life. Where I love some of the Buddhist way of thinking this does not sit well with me every time. WE do have a responsibility towards a large portion of society. I believe if we know someone is being hurt and we can do something to prevent that, or stop the perpetrator doing it again, we should do it, rather than leaving them to be punished in the next life. For instance anyone who abuses children should not be given a free reign to run riot while the rest of us sit back and say karma will take care of them. The idea may be a good one but in reality it does not always pay off. “I had this one clarified for me by the Dharma one nice Wednesday morning, I was so glad agreed with me”. All to often we can turn and walk away when truly we can make a difference. The good monks and nuns helped us out when we needed it. In turn we are helping people on this forum. But it is very important that we protect those who need it, be it from criminal, moral, physical, ethical or racist exploitation. All to easy to put that down to the victims Karma as well as saying the executors will face his Karma at the end of this physical life. The world would be chaos. A little common sense, and compassion is part of our Karma. So yes we one has to answer at checking out time. The rest of us though should play our part where our instinct tells us to.
Warmest to all of you good people who have good merit
Audrey
Audrey Ward
Thank you Brian,
although I know this, it really helps me to be reminded from time to time. So it may have been intended for Rick, but I have got a lot out of your message.
I have a little saying that I used for years before I went to the Monastery, although it mentions angels I believe it compliments the new way of thinking, I was blessed to learn at Thamkrabok. I had always tried to live by it, “ SMILE AND LOOK AT LIFE THROUGH ANGELS EYES” In plain English to me it means, “what would a really good person do in a difficult situation or with a difficult person” Cannot always say I have done the right thing, sometimes anger and impulse takes over. But I try.
Love to you all especially those having a difficult time recovering or anyone going out to Thamkrabok.
Audrey
John Cox
From: Audrey Ward <audrey...@eircom.net>
To: Friends-of-Tham...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 June, 2009 11:27:53
Subject: [FOTM:1885] Re: Replying to Rick: [FOTM:1877]
Audrey Ward
Will back that up John, Should Richard have been taken up wrong I already said I would apologise. If he in that frame of mind. No place for him on a site built of love and compassion for all those who have changed or willing to change. Should he wish to see things from a kinder tolerant loving perspective, I for one would support this change of mindset. People come from completely different lives experiences and environment, we cannot help that, none of us can change or help how we thought or what we have done, but as mature adults we have learned we can change we are responsible for what we do in the future and have the same tolerance for those who wish to get there. But never forgetting the ones who are at this moment in that dark place most of us have shared, like Liz. She truly needs our support and the timing for her is in these crucial moments.
Warmest hope to you all for everyone, especially for Liz and including Richard
Audrey
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
like to think your not)-your amigious statement was mis-placed should
have been clarified-but I'd say your over the worst as far as
reactions go!I know I speak for others when I say the main motivation
for this group is Compassion,that being unconditional,and with it the
unity that we find in sharing our very differant,but very similar
experiences.We've all been in 'dark places'(...f*uckin' shit where I
was!!)-I too had an inbred hatred for 'dealers',when I couldn't get it
together to do it myself,that was!!!-I guess your anger was just mis-
directed(?!).
I think you'll find everyone extremely understanding on this site-
they have to be otherwise everyone else gangs up on them-Ad
Demonstratum-kind of 'self-checking',really.
Anyway you do owe Liz an apology (sorry mate,you do) or ALL of us an
explanation at least-I think you'll find it gracefully accepted.
Best Wishes,mate.Metta.
MetalfacefromKent.
On Jun 7, 12:43 pm, "Audrey Ward" <audreysde...@eircom.net> wrote:
> Will back that up John, Should Richard have been taken up wrong I already
> said I would apologise. If he in that frame of mind. No place for him on a
> site built of love and compassion for all those who have changed or willing
> to change. Should he wish to see things from a kinder tolerant loving
> perspective, I for one would support this change of mindset. People come
> from completely different lives experiences and environment, we cannot help
> that, none of us can change or help how we thought or what we have done, but
> as mature adults we have learned we can change we are responsible for what
> we do in the future and have the same tolerance for those who wish to get
> there. But never forgetting the ones who are at this moment in that dark
> place most of us have shared, like Liz. She truly needs our support and the
> timing for her is in these crucial moments.
>
> Warmest hope to you all for everyone, especially for Liz and including
> Richard
>
> Audrey
>
> _____
>
> [mailto:Friends-of-Tham...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John
> Cox
> Sent: 07 June 2009 11:12
> To: Friends-of-Tham...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [FOTM:1886] Re: Replying to Rick: [FOTM:1877]
>
> Wow guys, I've been off for 24 hours I'm so shocked to read all this. I
> think everyones covered everything I would have said.
>
> We have proved that this is truely a support group, no judgmental, tollerant
> and full of folks who know what they are talking about helpin each other and
> certainly not a place for blind ignorance.
>
> I was a dealer, i'm not proud of that but there's not a person alive who
> hasn't done things their not proud of, the point is redemption, the chance
> to change and the chance draw a line in the sand. I think if richard looks
> inside himself he'll know that and maybe his comments were motivated from a
> place that maybe isn't relevant to any of us on this group and hopefully
> he'll read what everyoine has written carefully, maybe this is Richards line
> in the sand. I'm sure we'd all offer him that chance.
>
> Coxy
>
> _____
>
> To: Friends-of-Tham...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 7 June, 2009 11:27:53
> Subject: [FOTM:1885] Re: Replying to Rick: [FOTM:1877]
>
> Thank you Brian,
>
> although I know this, it really helps me to be reminded from time to time.
> So it may have been intended for Rick, but I have got a lot out of your
> message.
>
> I have a little saying that I used for years before I went to the Monastery,
> although it mentions angels I believe it compliments the new way of
> thinking, I was blessed to learn at Thamkrabok. I had always tried to live
> by it, " SMILE AND LOOK AT LIFE THROUGH ANGELS EYES" In plain English to me
> it means, "what would a really good person do in a difficult situation or
> with a difficult person" Cannot always say I have done the right thing,
> sometimes anger and impulse takes over. But I try.
>
> Love to you all especially those having a difficult time recovering or
> anyone going out to Thamkrabok.
>
> Audrey
>
> _____
>
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Liz
Some negative response but mostly very uplifting....I am not going to
continue with this debate all I needed was a bit of support which
turned out very ugly...There were six words put forward, but MY
dearest wise elderly adopted Dad Brian who made it very clear in ONE
word which I never thought of "METTA". Thank you Brian that is all I
needed to give me the hope ,inspiration to continue my life without
having to explain to anyone. This has always been an open forum some
new, some old, we all entitled to voice our opinions, seek guidance,
if it was not for this group I would not be where I am today. My
friend who I fought for through thick and thin whom some know lived a
clean life for just over 4 years thanks to the monastery and this
forum whom I seeked advice from. He is now dead for six weeks through
a horrific motor accident....As for Rick your message came through on
my pc in huge bold writing what you think of me well my friend
....'METTA"
Thanks Vince I do not think I will have any more problems I have found
peace, amazing how life in a few emails can change your attitude,
hopefully to see you year in in Thailand my next planned trip. Take
care all....
Liz
Liz
I was not going to say this but I told the "whole world my problem" no
hun I spoke to the forum, support group...INTERNATIONAL DRUG
TRAFFICKING....no I do not think so BUT I have had non stop shit since
my best friend died...all I asked for was support...so please next
time you respond do it with a little more considersation of someone
else's feelings in tact....no hard feelings but was offended by your
response, let it go, end of discussion. I do not need everyone's
support because I know who I am and exactly what I have accomplished
in my life... This forum has been my life support I do not need to
answer to everyone as I do not have the wisdom as the other guys, I
respect them...You take care
Liz
Tommy
>> I am clean HELLO i WANT LIFE NOT DEATH SENTENCE, South Africa is very
>> new to drugs....
>> Take care and thanks so much for allowing me to let steam off my kids
>> paid a bit of the price by mum being moody, better that than crack or
>> heroin, I have been told every time I go to Thailand to buy clothing
>> for my business I am doing a drug deal HELLO Tommy ITS NOT a figment
>> of my imagination its been sent either via sms or email, yep Stu I can
>> relate to all of this but given my life history how long is this going
>> to happen..............I ignore but I am tired...cos I live in ONE
>> small town which causes loads of shit, shit which in SA is way beyond
>> the stages of drug addiction in other countries...they DO NOT have the
>> facilities in this place to deal with Class A drugs....
About all I can say Liz, is that you write scattered thoughts all over
the place.
If you asked me what can you do - I'd say write your post first, then
go back and read it and correct it. use full stops here and there
because half the time I can't follow your drift.
What I'm saying is I can't always follow what you're trying to get across.
However getting angry with us that are trying to support you is not
really the way to go. We all need to be liked, to be wanted, its a
human condition. Fellowship, friendship. something to give, something
to exchange even. I wish you all the best really, and I hope things
turn out better for you. Its okay to be angry, as long as you're
angry with the right person, at the right time, for the right reason
and to the right degree.
Remember I live in a very small country too. A bit backwards regards
drugs and drug dealers, criminals and crime bosses.
I find you a bit too histrionic at times - but then again most people
don't take me serious. I'm the joker in the pack. If I've upset you,
apologies profoundly offered.
Now get a thicker skin and a softer attitude and we'll all be bestest
friends for ever :-)
Cheers
Tommy
Liz
Liz
years ago who told me to forget about Eddie and let him be, well I
never gave up the fight, he died clean. Thank you. Softer attitude, no
maybe the problem is that I am TOO soft.
Tommy
>
> My scattered thoughts, well Tommy let me remind you, you were the one
> years ago who told me to forget about Eddie and let him be, well I
> never gave up the fight, he died clean. Thank you. Softer attitude, no
> maybe the problem is that I am TOO soft.
If ever you feel you are 'too' anything Liz,
The answer is in your hands.
If you eat too much - don't eat so often or as much in future
If you are too soft, then harden up.
The who is ourselves
The what is 'what ails us'
The why is for a more peaceful life
The when is as soon as you make the decision
The where is here and now
The how is in gods hands
I believe in the oldest saw in the book
"there are six brave and solid men,
who are honest in all they do
Their names are where and what and when
and how and why and who
Stick at it :-)
Cheers
Tommy
Liz
Wisdon is not knowledge, nor experience, nor dialetical excellence,
but a selfless attitude.
To take on tough tasks, one must prepare to tough out complaints, and
to be in charge is to be in for criticism. yet complaints help foster
compassion and patience, and criticism often holds golden advice.
All the ups and downs of life are nourishing experiences for our growth.
Wise words form an honourable Man!
You take care
Stick at it too ;0))
Liz
Tommy
>
> Tommy
>
> Wisdon is not knowledge, nor experience, nor dialetical excellence, but a selfless attitude.
> Wise words form an honourable Man!
>
> You take care
> Stick at it too ;0))
> Liz
Here's a few wise words (not from me) that keep me on my toes :-))
THE FOUR AGREEMENTS
By Don Miguel Ruiz
DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY
Nothing others do is because of you.
What others say and do is a projection of their own reality,
their own dream.
When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't
be the victim of needless suffering.
BE IMPECCABLE WITH YOUR WORD
Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the words to
speak against yourself or to gossip about others.
Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love
DON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want.
Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid
misunderstandings, sadness and drama.With just this one agreement you
can completely transform your life.
ALWAYS DO YOUR BEST
Your best is going to change from moment to moment;it will be
different when you are healthy as opposed to when you are sick.
Under any circumstance, simply do your best and you will avoid
self-judgement, self-abuse, and regret.
Thats one heck of a mouthful to swallow in one go - heh heh but all
medicine is taken in small doses
Three times a day :)
Cheers
Tommy
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
trying to say,but I'm not going to dwell on it.My intentions were well
meant!mfk.
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
I was attempting quite the opposite and this concerns me!
Just to clarify-What I was trying to say was IF you were involved in
anything like that (which I believe you said you were being accused
of),then the last thing you would be doing is writing about it here
and including details-Therefore there is no question of your
innocence!
I hope you understand that I was 'attempting' to support you,'mis-
fired' though it did.I sincerly hope that you will accept my humblest
aplogies for not making this clearer.MetalfacefromKent.
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
is to say 'sorry'.mfk
Liz
its ok, I doing fine I received alot of support. As far as my
innocence, yes I am very much so. It all stemmed through helping a
friend of mine which we took to Thailand for treatment at the
monastery, ever since he passed away some people who just re-opened
alot of wounds by attacking my family. To be very honest I am over it
I have genuinely had a tough 2 months only to learn that my brother
passed away yesturday from cancer which was only diagnosed 3 weeks
ago. Not forgetting that Eds who attended the monastery passed away
very recently as well in a tragic accident. I doing my best to remain
strong for my kids. Take care
Liz
boswe...@hotmail.co.uk
your fair share of 'tragedy'-Acceptence is probably the only advice I
can give-but you've probably had enough of my advice for a little
while.Very Best Wishes.mfk
Liz
Liz
John Cox
From: Liz <myst...@gmail.com>
To: Friends-of-Tham...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009 22:00:50
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