help on my website
Gerald Collis
Wrong.
I purchase an Epson scanner and scanned my A4 sized colour brochures.
I then attempted to upload them to my Freesrve web site of 15mb. Each file
was about 2.5mb and took absolutely ages to even do just one.
Obviously I am missing something somewhere.
Any ideeas anyone .
Thanks
Gerald Collis
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Richard H Huelin
Gerald Collis <g...@glcollis.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:8jj0ug$c37$5...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I thought I would make a wbsite for my company, it shild
not be to hard.
> Wrong.
>
> I purchase an Epson scanner and scanned my A4 sized colour
brochures.
>
> I then attempted to upload them to my Freesrve web site of
15mb. Each file
> was about 2.5mb and took absolutely ages to even do just
one.
>
> Obviously I am missing something somewhere.
>
format, the former for clip art, the latter for photographs.
You should find all you need to know at the following URL's:
http://www.wharne.freeserve.co.uk/faqs/fhwFAQ.html
http://www.atomor.demon.co.uk/
http://www.freeserve.net/support/
http://go.to/tech-info
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Mike Bartlett
wrote
>I thought I would make a wbsite for my company, it shild not be to hard.
>Wrong.
>I purchase an Epson scanner and scanned my A4 sized colour brochures.
>I then attempted to upload them to my Freesrve web site of 15mb. Each file
>was about 2.5mb and took absolutely ages to even do just one.
>Obviously I am missing something somewhere.
Yes. As a recommendation a page should be no more than 50 - 60K
(including images), which will take approx 10 seconds to load with a 56K
modem. A 2.5M page will take a long - long - long time to load (and
therefore display), possibly hours.
Text loads very quickly, pictures take longer, the visitors browser
displays/renders the image after it has been downloaded from your
website to the visitors computer. The bigger the picture the longer it
takes and browsers download pictures at a much slower rate than the FTP
program you used to upload them. Next time you visit a web site look at
what happens, the text and some place markers/boxes (for images and
table cells etc) appear first and then the pictures.
Web sites are made up of text and images surrounded by code which (in
loose terms) places or formats these on your screen. This code is called
HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language).
HTML is not that difficult to learn and RH gave you some good starting
places in his response. Follow the link below to an excellent tutorial,
work through it and you will have a web site up and running in no time
at all.
If you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask :o)
--
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<URL: http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/version.html>
Bagsy
Gerald Collis <g...@glcollis.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8jj0ug$c37$5...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Wrong.
>
> I purchase an Epson scanner and scanned my A4 sized colour brochures.
>
> I then attempted to upload them to my Freesrve web site of 15mb. Each file
> was about 2.5mb and took absolutely ages to even do just one.
>
> Obviously I am missing something somewhere.
>
I see nobody's dropped you this URL yet so here it is..
http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/
It's an easy to follow HTML tutorial. Many of the regulars in here swear
by it.
--
Bagsy
http://www.theedgeofpanic.freeserve.co.uk
reply to kdei...@theedgeofpanic.freeserve.co.uk
Tim Jackson
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>
> Gerald Collis <g...@glcollis.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:8jj0ug$c37$5...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I thought I would make a wbsite for my company, it shild
> not be to hard.
> > Wrong.
> >
> > I purchase an Epson scanner and scanned my A4 sized colour
> brochures.
> >
> > I then attempted to upload them to my Freesrve web site of
> 15mb. Each file
> > was about 2.5mb and took absolutely ages to even do just
> one.
> >
> > Obviously I am missing something somewhere.
> >
> format, the former for clip art, the latter for photographs.
It is probably also a bad idea just to do each A4 page as one image, as the
file size could still be rather large, even after optimisation. If the
page has some text and several pictures, then the text should be written as
an HTML file. This will be a much smaller file than a corresponding
scanned image of the text. Each picture should be individually scanned,
optimised and inserted into the right place in the HTML file.
Looking further forward, is a straightforward copy of your brochure the
best way to promote your business on the web? The two media are not the
same, and what works best in one is not necessarily the best in the other.
As an example, on the web you need to think about including hyperlinks
which make it easy for your customers to navigate from any page of the site
to another page.
And you cannot specify a precise page layout in HTML. Different visitors
will have different browser window sizes and screen resolutions, so it's
not like working with a standard A4 page. To see what I mean, visit a
website, change the size of your browser window, and watch the layout
change as you view it.
You might therefore want to think about designing your website as a
separate exercise from your brochure (while still retaining a similar
overall corporate style, and similar information content).
--
Tim Jackson
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Tony Morgan
<g...@glcollis.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Any ideeas anyone .
A wind up?
Obviously....
--
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http://www.atomor.com
Richard H Huelin
Tony Morgan <to...@atomor.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tJr+gIAF...@atomor.co.uk...
> In article <8jj0ug$c37$5...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Gerald
Collis
> <g...@glcollis.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >Any ideeas anyone .
> A wind up?
>
> Obviously....
Perhaps, but the posters URL suggests that it might not be.
http://www.glcollis.freeserve.co.uk/
<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="Microsoft Word 97">
Tony Morgan
ourne.ANTISPAMfreeserve.co.uk> writes
>You might therefore want to think about designing your website as a
>separate exercise from your brochure (while still retaining a similar
>overall corporate style, and similar information content).
It's very rare that a brochure can be translated to a web page/site.
There are many issues other than obtaining a visual reproduction of the
brochure. Even attempting a visual reproduction is tilting at windmills
since (most) brochures are presented in portrait orientation, whereas
web pages are landscape - and even then in a completely different aspect
ratio. Colours and canvas are other areas that cannot be translated.
Even trying to replicate content is questionable. Copywriting for the
web is considerably different than copywriting for traditional print -
which is something that many traditional design agencies have found
difficulty in taking on board. Its a bit like trying to reproduce a
print brochure in a TV ad.
End-client marketing directors/managers tend to put themselves in the
hands of in known and trusted agencies, but sadly, many (most) of these
agencies have yet to grasp that there are fundamental differences
between the print and web media. A street-wise marketing
director/manager would never dream of putting a commission for a video
promotion into the hands of an agency who have hitherto been engaged in
print promotions - yet incredibly, they do so with web promotions.
This blurring of media boundaries has been exacerbated by the emergence
of technologies like Flash, and the ability to produce web page content
*and* presentation 'on-the-fly' using technologies like databases, ASP
and (to a lesser extent) CGI/Perl.
What is even more worrying, is that the colleges and universities who
offer 'media' related training/education/certification courses have yet
to recognise (let alone take on-board) these fundamental changes to
design concepts and applications.
The final concern (to me at least) is the failure of almost all people
in both traditional and web design environments, to recognise that web
site design/implementation should be business-driven, and that any web-
promotion must reflect this and allow proper metrics to be applied to
the cost/benefits of such promotions. Both small businesses and the
large corporates are quite prepared to invest anything from a couple of
hundred pounds to a million or more in something that they haven't a
clue as to what business benefit it might bring - they very frequently
don't know if it will provide a return of even a fraction of the cost of
such a promotion. Its rather like buying a piece of expensive
manufacturing plant, not knowing if it can actually be used to produce
anything, or what items it could produce.
As usual - IMHO :-)
John Ryan
What has happened with the web is very similar to those early days of radio
and television. Advertising agencies who have been more geared towards print
and publishing techniques have tried to adapt to the web, but have tried to
use the very strategies that may work fine for print media, but just do not
transmit to the web.
Similarly, designers who have been developing techniques and strategies for
advertising campaigns on television, have found the media again does not
transmit as well on the web as it may do on television or radio.
Television and radio advertisers are limited to time slots, have to consider
the laws of individual countries, advertising standards authorities and
censorship etc. The constraints and limitations are far reaching. The web in
comparison is a fledgling, anarchic mass of individualism with very little
in the way of censorship, any censorship being left to the viewer. This is
of course changing, as something has to be done.
Just as with radio and television, authorities are being introduced to deal
with these issues, but as it stands at the moment, there is still a long,
long way to go.
So too new agencies are being developed to handle design, advertising and
marketing on the web and the old ones who were primarily dealing in
different media are being left to continue in the areas of knowledge in
which they have experience and skills although some are still headstrong in
refusing to accept the medium is different. It has technological differences
that just do not carry the old methods of design.
If I were looking to advertise on the web now, I would probably use an
agency who's expertise is in that medium, rather than use an agency who's
expertise is elsewhere, such as tv, radio or print. But there are few
agencies at the moment, that will change.
The large agencies who have sewn up tv, radio and print are naturally going
to find new media and the web they thought would be just the ideal medium
for them, just unfortunate that the consumer is paying for their mistakes,
whilst these agencies find there feet in this new market.
How many people now have black and white tv's, how many people listen to the
radio in the evening, the world of news and entertainment is changing, and
with the advent of the web, peoples trends are changing too. They want
information, fast, accurate and cheap and will shop around in less time and
of course the web is ideal for that, but it too has its limitations, as more
and more people are discovering. Trends on the web are changing, as people
find more effective ways of saving time and money.
The web is still young and the competing agencies are trying to find their
way, many will fail, while fewer will succeed, but in general it's healthy,
just like those early days of radio and television. The Talkies changed the
Film world, so too will the web be changed, where it goes, nobody knows.
--
JR
"When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather -
unlike his passengers who were screaming in terror and hanging onto their
seats!"
http://www.ryanbus.co.uk
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jo...@bside90.freeserve.co.uk
umaremasu
"John Ryan" <jo...@bside90.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8jkfbf$35h$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...> > In article <8jjfm2$k70$2...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Tim Jackson > The large
agencies who have sewn up tv, radio and print are naturally going
> to find new media and the web they thought would be just the ideal medium
> for them, just unfortunate that the consumer is paying for their mistakes,
> whilst these agencies find there feet in this new market.
>
> How many people now have black and white tv's, how many people listen to
the
> radio in the evening, the world of news and entertainment is changing, and
> with the advent of the web, peoples trends are changing too. They want
> information, fast, accurate and cheap and will shop around in less time
and
> of course the web is ideal for that, but it too has its limitations, as
more
> and more people are discovering. Trends on the web are changing, as people
> find more effective ways of saving time and money.
>
> The web is still young and the competing agencies are trying to find their
> way, many will fail, while fewer will succeed, but in general it's
healthy,
> just like those early days of radio and television. The Talkies changed
the
> Film world, so too will the web be changed, where it goes, nobody knows.
>
>
night (well I was eating at the time, Alan Titchmarsh doesn't actually
entrall me usually) which had obviously been filmed in widescreen format
(and we still have a standard screen. I noticed that the "subtitles" had
been written with only widescreen in mind and were clipped on our screen, so
its not only web authoers who should be thinking about older "browsers"
"monitors" and "resolution" ;-)
Simon Templar
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Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:59:55 +0100
ne...@theedgeofpanic.freeserve.co.uk says...
> Bagsy
>
Bagsy
Simon Templar <t...@saint.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.13c803631...@news.worldonline.co.uk... No not really. Why single me out?
Tony Morgan
c.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> No not really. Why single me out?
He obviously likes you (or at least your picture).
Education, Language and Development Training Services
news:8jj0ug$c37$5...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I thought I would make a wbsite for my company, it shild not be to hard.
> Wrong.
>
> I purchase an Epson scanner and scanned my A4 sized colour brochures.
>
> I then attempted to upload them to my Freesrve web site of 15mb. Each file
> was about 2.5mb and took absolutely ages to even do just one.
>
> Obviously I am missing something somewhere.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Gerald Collis
>
Gerald, I kiss you!
Lesley Meade
"Bagsy" <ne...@theedgeofpanic.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Simon Templar <t...@saint.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.13c803631...@news.worldonline.co.uk...
> > Hey bagsy - do you want to see my photo ? .
> >
> >
> >
> > www.bigtights.co.uk
> >
>
I clicked without thinking, and I've seen that picture before. I'm sure the
guys a spammer, but I can't remember where he's spammed before. It was
another of the site critique type groups, though. I think he's got
something to do with webshites as well. All I know is I'll never forget a
face like that.
Lesley.
Lesley Meade
> Lesley - i'm shocked that you would think such a thing .
>
If you're not a spammer, then I'm sorry for saying you are, but you're
posting in ways that look like spam, and I've seen you in a lot of NGs. I'd
suggest being a bit more careful about how you post if you don't want to get
accused of spamming.