Q3A Mirrors in UK
Tom Barnes-Lawrence
Tried downloading the Q3Atest for Linux the other day.
It's 20MB or so, and said it was going to take 3 hours or so,
so I gave up and decided not to bother.
Does anyone know any FAST UK based mirrors of it?
Obviously it won't fit in anyone's freeserve account,
but maybe some people could agree to split the file at specific point
and then each mirror part of it? Then when people have each bit,
do
cat q3atest.1 q3atest.2 q3atest.3 >q3atest.tar.gz
or similar.
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Dan Glover
<tom...@barnes-lawrence.eggsandspam.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Tried downloading the Q3Atest for Linux the other day.
>It's 20MB or so, and said it was going to take 3 hours or so,
>so I gave up and decided not to bother.
If Freeserve has a batch ftp facility (I don't know) then this would be
ideal for the purpose.
> Does anyone know any FAST UK based mirrors of it?
If idsoftware.com want people to use mirror sites I'd have expected
their existance to be more visible either from their own ftp site, their
web pages or even from a web search. This wasn't easy, and I wouldn't
have bothered if this wasn't on a 50p-all-day connection. Try:
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/idgames2/idstuff/quake3/linux/
>Obviously it won't fit in anyone's freeserve account,
>but maybe some people could agree to split the file at specific point
>and then each mirror part of it? Then when people have each bit,
Mirroring without the knowledge of the originators - even for freely
distributable stuff - tends to land you in difficulty.
>do
>cat q3atest.1 q3atest.2 q3atest.3 >q3atest.tar.gz
>or similar.
And might not work anyway.
Oddly enough, the /idgames2/ directory at the Imperial College mirror
contains the following:
| Welcome to the idgames2 archives at this ftp site
| Games using the Quake engine by id Software are covered here
|
|*** ATTENTION: To reduce the load on this machine and ***
|*** provide faster access for all users, ***
|*** please check the following list for a ***
|*** mirroring site closer to you and use it. ***
|*** ***
|*** Pennsylvania ftp.epix.net/pub/idgames2/ ***
|*** New York ftp.gamers.org/pub/games/idgames2/ ***
|*** UK sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/idgames2/ ***
|*** ftp.compulink.co.uk/pub/games/id/quake/ ***
|*** Sweden ftp.sunet.se/pub/pc/games/idgames2/ ***
|*** Finland ftp.sci.fi/pub/idgames2/ ***
|*** Switzerland ftp.datacomm.ch/pub/idgames2/ ***
|*** Poland ftp.task.gda.pl/pub/games/idgames2/ ***
|*** Portugal ftp.telepac.pt/pub/idgames2/ ***
|*** Brazil ftp.iis.com.br/pub/mirror/Quake/ ***
|*** Australia ftp.powerup.com.au/pub/idgames2/ Brisbane ***
|*** ftp.livewire.com.au/pub/idgames2/ Brisbane ***
|*** ftp-new.labyrinth.net.au/pub/idgames2/ Melbourne ***
|
|An excellent web interface to the files available here can be found
|at
|
| http://idgames.gameaholic.com/
|
|Look carefully first and remember to turn on binary mode ('bin')
|before transfering a file. If problems still arise, contact
|
|Joost Schuur - jsc...@ftp.cdrom.com
Which seems not to be from idsoftware itself but the mirror at
ftp.cdrom.com. Oh well, there are a couple of alternatives for you in
there in the unlikely event that you have a problem with ic.ac.uk.
Dan
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Tom Barnes-Lawrence
<snip>
>If Freeserve has a batch ftp facility (I don't know) then this would be
>ideal for the purpose.
I don't know either. See what you mean though.
>> Does anyone know any FAST UK based mirrors of it?
>
>If idsoftware.com want people to use mirror sites I'd have expected
>their existance to be more visible either from their own ftp site, their
>web pages or even from a web search.
Well, they did have the list of mirrors at www.quake3arena.com
but they didn't have any in UK.
> This wasn't easy, and I wouldn't
>have bothered if this wasn't on a 50p-all-day connection. Try:
>
>ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/idgames2/idstuff/quake3/linux/
Great, cheers, got it now. Started off fast (2.5KB/sec) but after 14MB
or so, it started stalling a lot, so it ended up taking about 3 hours...
Now all I've got to do is install glibc 2, the new X-server, and the
G200
glx module...And get the file off my windoze partition onto a zipdisk,
and onto my linux box...
>Mirroring without the knowledge of the originators - even for freely
>distributable stuff - tends to land you in difficulty.
Yeah? Suppose that makes sense in a way...Thanks for the warning.
>>cat q3atest.1 q3atest.2 q3atest.3 >q3atest.tar.gz
>And might not work anyway.
Just depends if the files have all been split in the same place, surely?
>Oddly enough, the /idgames2/ directory at the Imperial College mirror
>contains the following:
>
>| Welcome to the idgames2 archives at this ftp site
>| Games using the Quake engine by id Software are covered here
<snip>
>|*** UK sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/idgames2/ ***
>|*** ftp.compulink.co.uk/pub/games/id/quake/ ***
<snip>
>|An excellent web interface to the files available here can be found
>|at
>|
>| http://idgames.gameaholic.com/
<snip>
>Which seems not to be from idsoftware itself but the mirror at
>ftp.cdrom.com. Oh well, there are a couple of alternatives for you in
>there in the unlikely event that you have a problem with ic.ac.uk.
Sunsite uk was (eventually) Ok, but cheers for those too.
>Dan
Thanks!
Dan Glover
>Dan Glover wrote in message ...
>>ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/idgames2/idstuff/quake3/linux/
> Great, cheers, got it now. Started off fast (2.5KB/sec) but after 14MB
>or so, it started stalling a lot, so it ended up taking about 3 hours...
Oh, that's a bit disappointing. ic.ac.uk is quite well connected via
Freeserve (sorry about the long lines):
1 doxycycline.dialup.access.planet.net.uk (195.92.68.172) 194.663 ms
146.856 ms 129.79 ms
2 dial-gw-6.AS5388.NET (195.92.68.161) 130.327 ms 127.541 ms 119.731 ms
3 Marrow.AS5388.NET (195.92.202.207) 130.106 ms 126.872 ms 119.786 ms
4 Artichoke.AS5388.NET (195.92.202.206) 129.731 ms 127.509 ms 130.058 ms
5 gw.linx.ja.net (195.66.224.15) 119.84 ms 135.532 ms 140.227 ms
6 south-east-gw.ja.net (193.63.94.50) 129.309 ms 146.819 ms 129.414 ms
7 atmr-ulcc.lonman.net.uk (146.97.250.130) 139.753 ms 126.606 ms 129.357 ms
8 atmr-ic.lonman.net.uk (194.83.100.57) 139.722 ms 155.346 ms 159.805 ms
9 swallow.doc.ic.ac.uk (193.63.255.4) 149.747 ms * 150.262 ms
Nothing horribly wrong there. AS5388.NET is Planet On-Line so the
routing is essentially internal until it gets to the border with ja.net.
The connection via Demon looks like this:
1 anchor-du-57.access.demon.net (195.173.57.57) 124.593 ms 106.49 ms
109.65 ms
2 anchor-core-1-fxp3.router.demon.net (195.173.57.251) 109.82 ms 187.07 ms
109.738 ms
3 tele-backbone-1-ge022.router.demon.net (158.152.0.181) 100.219 ms
121.254 ms 99.769 ms
4 tele-border-1-fxp0.router.demon.net (194.159.252.252) 99.772 ms
97.269 ms 99.761 ms
5 * gw.linx.ja.net (195.66.224.15) 110.647 ms 128.923 ms
[same once it gets to Janet - maybe marginally faster on the way, but
I'd not want to draw any conclusions based on these...]
I seem to be able to do an nfs mount of sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk using
Freeserve, which is worth knowing.
> Now all I've got to do is install glibc 2, the new X-server, and the
>G200
>glx module...And get the file off my windoze partition onto a zipdisk,
>and onto my linux box...
You'll find that many of these things are also available from the same
place - it's well worth having a good look round.
>>>cat q3atest.1 q3atest.2 q3atest.3 >q3atest.tar.gz
>>And might not work anyway.
> Just depends if the files have all been split in the same place, surely?
It's not impossible to get the "middle" bit of a file via ftp, nor is it
easy. (Particularly as the relevant commands might not be supported by
the server). Thinking about it, the most difficult part will be
stopping the transfer in mid-flow without losing the data already
transferred. You'd need a "proper" ftp client rather than a browser for
starters...
Dan
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Neil Steadman
>
>It's not impossible to get the "middle" bit of a file via ftp, nor is it
>easy. (Particularly as the relevant commands might not be supported by
>the server). Thinking about it, the most difficult part will be
>stopping the transfer in mid-flow without losing the data already
>transferred. You'd need a "proper" ftp client rather than a browser for
>starters...
Ah ha! My current "I wonder how..." I'd like to run a script to download
gz, rpm, zip files from Netscape, rather than Netscape's downloader. Any
luck re-arranging Netscape's rear end? I can't even find gz in the
list of extensions/applications to run.
Neil.
Dan Glover
>On Sun, 9 May 1999 16:38:15 GMT, Dan Glover wrote:
>>It's not impossible to get the "middle" bit of a file via ftp, nor is it
>>easy.[...] You'd need a "proper" ftp client rather than a browser for
>>starters...
>Ah ha! My current "I wonder how..." I'd like to run a script to download
>gz, rpm, zip files from Netscape, rather than Netscape's downloader. Any
>luck re-arranging Netscape's rear end? I can't even find gz in the
>list of extensions/applications to run.
I'm no expert in the inner workings of Netscape, but I think this sort
of thing can be controlled, giving a choice of running an external
command or saving to file, etc.
For "real" ftp there are plenty of GUI ftp clients, if you don't want to
do it the old-fashioned way. (It's well worth learning the command-line
way since you'll almost always find an ftp command - even NT has
one...)
For places which only offer files via http then something like wget
might be what you're after: it can be used in its own right as a
command-line webpage/file fetcher and probably could be called from
netscape if you want. See your local friendly GNU mirror for details.
Sadly I suspect that the http protocol doesn't offer a means to resume
part-way through a file - ftp does - which is one reason why files
belong on ftp sites rather than web pages. However, I know next to
nothing about http so it's possible that restarts are supported in later
versions.
Hope this is at least of passing interest.
Dan
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Dan Glover
<hi...@mojo.org> wrote:
>In article <FBu6v...@dangl.demon.co.uk>,
> d...@dangl.demon.co.uk (Dan Glover) wrote:
>> Sadly I suspect that the http protocol doesn't offer a means to resume
>> part-way through a file
>Yes it does - wget will quite happily resume a http.
That'll teach me to make guesses: I'll bear it in mind and RTFwgetM
again.
Dan
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Tom Barnes-Lawrence
Dan Glover wrote in message ...
<snippety snip>
>> Now all I've got to do is install glibc 2, the new X-server, and the
>>G200
>>glx module...And get the file off my windoze partition onto a zipdisk,
>>and onto my linux box...
>
>You'll find that many of these things are also available from the same
>place - it's well worth having a good look round.
Oh no, not what I meant. I've *got* them already. Just have to install
them,
which could be awkward considering how full my filesystem is.
>>>>cat q3atest.1 q3atest.2 q3atest.3 >q3atest.tar.gz
>>>And might not work anyway.
>
>> Just depends if the files have all been split in the same place,
surely?
>
>It's not impossible to get the "middle" bit of a file via ftp, nor is it
>easy. (Particularly as the relevant commands might not be supported by
>the server). Thinking about it, the most difficult part will be
>stopping the transfer in mid-flow without losing the data already
>transferred. You'd need a "proper" ftp client rather than a browser for
>starters...
Now I see what you meant. I was refering to several people each
starting with the complete file, then each splitting it at the same specific
points in the file, then each mirroring one chunk of file, so person 1
mirrors
q3atest.1, person 2 mirrors q3atest.2 , etc.
And then you download each of them separately and concatenate them as
above to get the original file. But as you said, they might not be happy
about people mirroring without permission, and in that case I expect they'd
be even less happy about something like this.
Perhaps I should have said what I meant earlier. Seem to have spawned
a fairly large thread here...
...Ok, not that large.
>Dan
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