'Legitimate' bulk emailing
Tim ...
Currently, he sends them a traditional snail-mail newsletter every quarter.
This costs him in the region of a thousand pounds in postage.
For his latest newsletter, he has suggested that he ask those who would
prefer it, to respond via email as to whether or not they would prefer to
receive the newsletter via email in future. Obviously, this would reduce his
costs significantly, and launch him into 'e-business' !!
Now the problem .... let's assume that he gets a 1000 replies saying "yes,
please send via email".
How is he going to send 1000+ *genuine* emails to his customers without his
ISP considering him a spammer and suspending his account?
The ISP in question happens to be Freeserve, his pop3 mail is through
Freeserve (re-directed from the domain by his hosting company) although his
web site is hosted professionally.
Xfade
"Tim ..." <usenet_bounce@}-{otmail.com> wrote in message
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> A friend of mine has a business of which he has accrued approx 3000
clients.
> Currently, he sends them a traditional snail-mail newsletter every
quarter.
> This costs him in the region of a thousand pounds in postage.
A friend of mine says that he thinks your, sorry, your friends motives may
be highly dubious
>
> For his latest newsletter, he has suggested that he ask those who would
> prefer it, to respond via email as to whether or not they would prefer to
> receive the newsletter via email in future. Obviously, this would reduce
his
> costs significantly, and launch him into 'e-business' !!
>
Obviously
> Now the problem .... let's assume that he gets a 1000 replies saying "yes,
> please send via email".
Yes, lets *assume*
>
> How is he going to send 1000+ *genuine* emails to his customers without
his
> ISP considering him a spammer and suspending his account?
Until the first post to abuse arrives then *your friend* should be safe.
> The ISP in question happens to be Freeserve, his pop3 mail is through
> Freeserve (re-directed from the domain by his hosting company) although
his
> web site is hosted professionally.
>
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Andrew Taylor
with your usual Yahoo ID and password, and off you go. Seems very simple and
is ideal for your needs.
All ISPs seem to regard people who do large mail outs as potential spammers,
and as their abuse departments are snowed under with reports, they put
restrictions in place to minimise complaints. If you are sending a lot of
mail you would also need an ISDN line to improve the sending speed.
This is why e-groups are better. You set up the mailing list, you complete
one mail, and tell it to send. Yahoo are on a multiple T1 lines into the
internet backbone which are 100 times faster than ISDN! They spend 3 seconds
sending the 2000 e-mails, which would take you at least 3 hours in one
continuous send.
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Andrew Taylor. Crumplehorn Inn & Mill
http://www.crumplehorn-inn.co.uk
a nice place to stay
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Tim ...
"Andrew Taylor" <andrewcr...@spamcopSUBVERSIVE.net> wrote in message
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> Use Yahoo Groups Start here http://groups.yahoo.com/ open an account, log
> in with your usual Yahoo ID and password, and off you go. Seems very
simple
> and is ideal for your needs.
I'll look into this ....
> All ISPs seem to regard people who do large mail outs as potential
> spammers
As do other users it would appear.
> you would also need an ISDN line to improve the sending speed.
In place ... Home Highway ISDN.
> This is why e-groups are better. You set up the mailing list, you complete
> one mail, and tell it to send.
Thanks.
Tim ...
"Xfade" <xfad...@TRAPntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> A friend of mine says that he thinks your, sorry, your friends motives may
> be highly dubious
No problem, I accept that.
However, take a look at www.paintingholidays.com .....
Call my friend, and ask him personally.
His contact details are readily displayed.
Better still, email or post an enquiry, and you'll get said newsletter
within your information pack!
Enjoy.
Stephen Carter
<usenet_bounce@}-{otmail.com> wrote:
>A friend of mine has a business of which he has accrued approx 3000 clients.
>Currently, he sends them a traditional snail-mail newsletter every quarter.
>This costs him in the region of a thousand pounds in postage.
>
>For his latest newsletter, he has suggested that he ask those who would
>prefer it, to respond via email as to whether or not they would prefer to
>receive the newsletter via email in future. Obviously, this would reduce his
>costs significantly, and launch him into 'e-business' !!
Overall "safest" way to do this is to create a mailing list
at (eg) yahoogroups.com
That way sending the email(s) out will not create problems
with the host ISP.
As far as I know, there are few problems with bulk receipt
of email as far as ISPs are concerned.
--
st...@stephencarterNOSPAM.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
Fallen Angel
> at (eg) yahoogroups.com
>
> That way sending the email(s) out will not create problems
> with the host ISP.
>
> As far as I know, there are few problems with bulk receipt
> of email as far as ISPs are concerned.
I'd agree with the mailing list idea, however as someone who uses yahoo's
mailing lists a lot there are a couple of things worthy of note. Firstly if
a large proportion of those wanting your newsletter are using AOL forget it.
They go through large periods of domestic disputes during which time neither
speak to each other and much mail goes missing. Secondly yahoo insist on
verifying each individual email address which is entered on their mailing
lists, some of your clientele may not wish to sign up for a yahoo ID in
order to read a newsletter.
There are other list services available, one I found recently was: Cool
list:
http://www.coollist.com/
No idea about their performance but I'd say if you have the option, and want
a reliable mailing list avoid yahoo.
Fallen Angel
Tim ...
"Fallen Angel" <falle...@NOSPAMOLAbathouse92.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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> I'd agree with the mailing list idea, however ...
[...]
It seems the odds are fairly stacked against him on this one.
The newsletter is quite 'beefy', with an illustrated diary of events (such
as the painting holidays he goes on) so I'm not too sure quite how he would
cope personally with navigating through Yahoo, or even if his clientele (who
are all willing recipients of his paper version newsletter incidentally)
will do the same.
I guess i'll have to go back and tell him that for the moment anyway, there
is really no 'perfect' alternative to his current method.
Thanks for the responses folks.
Peter Boulding
<usenet_bounce@}-{otmail.com> wrote:
>It seems the odds are fairly stacked against him on this one.
I'm inclined to agree, at least insofar as the odds are not
UNfairly stacked against him.
>The newsletter is quite 'beefy', with an illustrated diary of events (such
>as the painting holidays he goes on) so I'm not too sure quite how he would
>cope personally with navigating through Yahoo, or even if his clientele (who
>are all willing recipients of his paper version newsletter incidentally)
>will do the same.
>
>I guess i'll have to go back and tell him that for the moment anyway, there
>is really no 'perfect' alternative to his current method.
If he really wants to avoid ISP aggro he could join a service
that allows him to set up his own SMTP server; he could then send
out a fairly short text-based monthly newsletter containing links
to all the relevant web pages.
The only problem with this approach (other than the learning
curve) is that he has to believe that all the recipients *really*
want his "info" - enough to actually bother to click on those
links. And of course he knows that most of them wouldn't.
IMO the world would be a better place if nobody were ever allowed
to mass mail anything, in any medium. (And that includes the tax
man).
--
Regards Peter Boulding
p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
Fractal gallery: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
Fractal music: http://www.pjbmusic2.freeserve.co.uk/
ROS402dn
"Fallen Angel" <falle...@NOSPAMOLAbathouse92.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Overall "safest" way to do this is to create a mailing list
> > at (eg) yahoogroups.com
> >
> > That way sending the email(s) out will not create problems
> > with the host ISP.
> >
> > As far as I know, there are few problems with bulk receipt
> > of email as far as ISPs are concerned.
>
> I'd agree with the mailing list idea, however as someone who uses yahoo's
> mailing lists a lot there are a couple of things worthy of note.
[ snip yahoo requiring a yahoo ID ]
> There are other list services available, one I found recently was: Cool
> list:
> http://www.coollist.com/
You [ Tim ... ] might also consider SmartGroups,
http://www.smartgroups.co.uk/
Martin
"Peter Boulding" <p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote in message
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Couldn't agree more Peter. If this chappy's info is important to the
potential recipients of his mass mailing, surely they'd be happy to log onto
his web site frequently for updates on his painting holidays?
Regards
Martin
Mr Serious
Tim ... <usenet_bounce@}-{otmail.com> wrote in message
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whats wrong with posting it on a website and let them download it? put a
Zipped archive then they can either read @ will online or download and read
in offline time.
well its just an idea..
Msn Communities would provide a discussion forum AND emailing list
(Smartgroups limit size of mails to under 50k) Yahoo have No limmits on
mail size.
hope some of this helps..
Mark