Automatic modem connect on wake?
Irish Murdoch
you anyway ...
In OS X (Panther), since the machine's going into sleep mode terminates
any ppp connection, is there any way of getting the OS to reconnect
automatically when one "awakens" the computer again? It's a pain to have
to reconnect manually each time, given that I have just got a Wanadoo
"always on"
broadband connection.
David Kennedy
There is software that will reconnect a dropped connection but I don't
know if it will do that after sleep.
I've also posted this to uk.comp.sys.mac where you will have a better
chance of getting a sensible reply.
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David Kennedy
PeterD
> Irish Murdoch wrote:
>
> > In OS X (Panther), since the machine's going into sleep mode terminates
> > any ppp connection, is there any way of getting the OS to reconnect
> > automatically when one "awakens" the computer again? It's a pain to have
> > to reconnect manually each time, given that I have just got a Wanadoo
> > "always on" broadband connection.
Yes, dump the USB modem, and get an Ethernet broadband router.
You will anyway, after the damn USB thing gives you yet another kernel
panic, so why not save yourself the grief now.
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Pd
Irish Murdoch
>
> There is software that will reconnect a dropped connection but I don't
> know if it will do that after sleep.
>
> I've also posted this to uk.comp.sys.mac where you will have a better
> chance of getting a sensible reply.
Thanks David, dashed decent of you.
Irish Murdoch
>
> Yes, dump the USB modem, and get an Ethernet broadband router.
> You will anyway, after the damn USB thing gives you yet another kernel
> panic, so why not save yourself the grief now.
Erm ... let me just read that again. Nope, not the first idea what
you're on about.
Peter Ceresole
> Yes, dump the USB modem, and get an Ethernet broadband router.
> You will anyway, after the damn USB thing gives you yet another kernel
> panic, so why not save yourself the grief now.
I'd second that. With a router you get a whole lot of advantages:
It stays connected all the time, no matter what your Mac does.
It has a great deal of added security if you want to use it, most
especially Network Address Translation (NAT) which means that your Mac
is never directly accessible from the Net.
Once the router is set up, the computer's set up is trivially simple, so
you can easily use it with a new computer, or with a friend's computer
if they are visiting.
The router doesn't mess with your system by loading in drivers.
Most routers have hubs or switches built on, so you can network other
computers to yours very simply.
Just get a router- it makes perfect sense.
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Peter
Bella Jones
> PeterD <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Yes, dump the USB modem, and get an Ethernet broadband router.
> > You will anyway, after the damn USB thing gives you yet another kernel
> > panic, so why not save yourself the grief now.
>
> I'd second that. With a router you get a whole lot of advantages:
>
> It stays connected all the time, no matter what your Mac does.
>
> It has a great deal of added security if you want to use it, most
> especially Network Address Translation (NAT) which means that your Mac
> is never directly accessible from the Net.
Does NAT also apply to PCs?
A PC-using friend has just had terrible hassles with a Freeserve ADSL
modem, and he is still waiting for them to 'courier' a replacement to
him - it is in fact on its way by Parcel Force...
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PeterD
> Peter Ceresole <pe...@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > PeterD <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, dump the USB modem, and get an Ethernet broadband router.
> > It has a great deal of added security if you want to use it, most
> > especially Network Address Translation (NAT) which means that your Mac
> > is never directly accessible from the Net.
>
> Does NAT also apply to PCs?
Absolutely. Separate the connection from the computer. Ethernet is (or
should be) built-in to any computer, so setting up is trivial.
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Pd
Peter Ceresole
> Does NAT also apply to PCs?
It applies to the router, thus to any computer you connect to it.
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Peter
Bella Jones
So shurely every PC user should have a router then?
Jon B
They should really, I would say the security advantages are much more
real for the pc owners than mac owners. Unfortunately ethernet still
isn't built in as standard on all PCs or motherboards, although they are
only a few quid to add assuming you have a free PCI slot left to put the
lan card in.
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Jon B
mail account above is dead please reply to usenet at jonbradbury dot com
Irish Murdoch
>
> Yes, dump the USB modem, and get an Ethernet broadband router.
> You will anyway, after the damn USB thing gives you yet another kernel
> panic, so why not save yourself the grief now.
OK, be aware that you're talking to someone who doesn't know a
tremendous amount about these sorts of things, and doesn't have time to
find out. So, what exactly do I need to buy? And what do I need to do?
Thank you in advance for humouring an imbecile.
David Kennedy
>
>
> Thanks David, dashed decent of you.
We try.
Join us in u.c.s.m where you will fing a v. friendly bunch. And, between
then, most questions get answered.
Jon B
Have a look here
<http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk/products.asp?pm=415>
Not the full range of multiport routers (you save about £5 going for a
single port) nor maybe not quite the cheapest supplier, but they do have
the decency to seperate real routers [1] from the other sort of router
you don't really want which makes the shopping experience so much
simpler [2] and quicker
Personal favourites are the Drayteks and the Zyxels but they are a bit
more pricey, I have used the Netgear DG834 successfully and I've got
collegues running the Thomson happily.
[1] By this I mean a combined ADSL modem router, not a box also called a
router that plugs into your usb/ethernet modem that are frankly best
avoided
[2] If you are feeling brave you can go to somebody like eBuyers site
which mixes all these together, it takes you 3hrs to sort through them
to find the three they sell which are really what you want.
Irish Murdoch
>
> [1] By this I mean a combined ADSL modem router, not a box also called a
> router that plugs into your usb/ethernet modem that are frankly best
> avoided
> [2] If you are feeling brave you can go to somebody like eBuyers site
> which mixes all these together, it takes you 3hrs to sort through them
> to find the three they sell which are really what you want.
OK, Jon, thanks for that! So, just to be clear, I need a combination
modem/router, yep? And that'll work fine with my wanadoo account?
Thanks for your patience!
Irish
Jon B
Yep, there are two different devices described as a router which are
easily confused, a simple router which plugs into a usb modem and acts
as a router, or a combination router, which has the modem built in and
also routers the internet traffic to multiple computers, it is the
latter you want as you have correctly identified which are a much better
(for various reasons) and neater solution.
It should work fine with the Wanadoo account, all you need to do is long
in to the new box via a web browser [1] enter in your user name and
password and thats it, Wanadoo won't even know your connecting
differently. There are others in the group connecting up exactly the
same way to them
[1] Plug the router and the mac together via ethernet cable, make sure
the router is turned on, go into sys preferences then network, pick
ethernet, click on TCP/IP tab, it should be set to:
Configure IPv4 - using DHCP
and it should then be assigned an IP address such as 192.168.x.x [2] and
lower down it should give a Router address in the same range, if you
haven't hit renew DHCP lease which should fix it, whatever the router IP
address is you enter that into a Internet Explorer window [3] so eg just
enter 192.168.1.1 [4] where you'd normally enter www.mysite.com, that
should bring up the front page to the router where you can configure it
to connect to the net and any extra security settings you want to add.
2-5 mins job done.
[2] where .x.x should equal somehting like 0.2 or 1.1
[3] Or other browser although I've found Safari's cache can be a bit hit
and miss for this so other offerings tend to be better
[4] replacing that with whatever the sys prefs has just told you the
router IP address is
Peter Ceresole
> So shurely every PC user should have a router then?
Yes.
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Peter
Peter Ceresole
> OK, be aware that you're talking to someone who doesn't know a
> tremendous amount about these sorts of things, and doesn't have time to
> find out. So, what exactly do I need to buy? And what do I need to do?
My advice would be to find somebody you trust who is in the business (I
went to Daniele Procida who did it by mail order- you could choose
anybody convenient to you) and get the router from them. If you tell
them your ISP details, they will either set it up for you or advise you
how to do it, and hold your hand on the phone if you have problems.
This costs more, but certainly not a fortune, and you will have a
durable, working system very quickly. This is what (small amounts of)
money is for.
--
Peter
Chris Ridd
1gjwjdn.2yhom77lk9zbN%jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com, "Jon B"
<jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Yep, there are two different devices described as a router which are
> easily confused, a simple router which plugs into a usb modem and acts
> as a router
Is that technically a router? It doesn't route things between different
networks, because USB isn't a network.
Cheers,
Chris
Jon B
I assume so, it is still doing the same job in effect as an ADSL modem
router, it is just the modem is seperate and usb. It still routes the
internal network around, and still routes requests to the outside world
out to the internet, ok the physical aspects are slightly different but
ultimately it still achivies the same goal.
Chris Ridd
1gjwkpy.ha7nh316hkg5hN%jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com, "Jon B"
<jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but that's your Mac being a router though, no?
Cheers,
Chris
Irish Murdoch
>
> It should work fine with the Wanadoo account, all you need to do is long
> in to the new box via a web browser [1] enter in your user name and
> password and thats it, Wanadoo won't even know your connecting
> differently. There are others in the group connecting up exactly the
> same way to them
>
Jon,
thanks so much for that useful, step-by-step advice! You're a star!
Irish
Bella Jones
> Bella Jones <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > PeterD <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:
[...]> > >
> > > Absolutely. Separate the connection from the computer. Ethernet is (or
> > > should be) built-in to any computer, so setting up is trivial.
> >
> > So shurely every PC user should have a router then?
>
> They should really, I would say the security advantages are much more
> real for the pc owners than mac owners. Unfortunately ethernet still
> isn't built in as standard on all PCs or motherboards, although they are
> only a few quid to add assuming you have a free PCI slot left to put the
> lan card in.
I think this particular friend's PC does have an ethernet port. If
Freeserve continue to feck about, he will leave (3 months of contract
left) and I will encourage the router route.
Jon B
> On 10/9/04 3:18 pm, in article
> 1gjwkpy.ha7nh316hkg5hN%jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com, "Jon B"
> <jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/9/04 2:50 pm, in article
> >> 1gjwjdn.2yhom77lk9zbN%jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com, "Jon B"
> >> <jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yep, there are two different devices described as a router which are
> >>> easily confused, a simple router which plugs into a usb modem and acts
> >>> as a router
> >>
> >> Is that technically a router? It doesn't route things between different
> >> networks, because USB isn't a network.
> >>
> > I assume so, it is still doing the same job in effect as an ADSL modem
> > router, it is just the modem is seperate and usb. It still routes the
> > internal network around, and still routes requests to the outside world
> > out to the internet, ok the physical aspects are slightly different but
> > ultimately it still achivies the same goal.
>
> Maybe I'm misunderstanding but that's your Mac being a router though, no?
>
No, the you'd have your usual USB/ethernet modem plugged into the
telephone socket as usual, the "router" box then plugged into that which
does the routing. This normally has a 4 port ethernet switch into the
back that you can connect more network boxes too, macs/pcs etc all on
the internal ethernet lan from the router.
David Kennedy
>
> No, the you'd have your usual USB/ethernet modem plugged into the
> telephone socket as usual, the "router" box then plugged into that which
> does the routing. This normally has a 4 port ethernet switch into the
> back that you can connect more network boxes too, macs/pcs etc all on
> the internal ethernet lan from the router.
If you're connecting - via ethernet - to a router, is there any limit to
the length of cable you can use?
My main modem socket is in the wrong part of the house to run airport,
so, do I move the socket or run an extension ?
Neither way is perfect but it beats having BT come in and drill holes
all over the place......
Chris Ridd
1gjwrdu.1jfg2ne20zx5fN%jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com, "Jon B"
<jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> No, the you'd have your usual USB/ethernet modem plugged into the
> telephone socket as usual, the "router" box then plugged into that which
> does the routing. This normally has a 4 port ethernet switch into the
> back that you can connect more network boxes too, macs/pcs etc all on
> the internal ethernet lan from the router.
OIC. Presumably there's some sort of "network" running over the USB
connection.
Cheers,
Chris
PeterD
> If you're connecting - via ethernet - to a router, is there any limit to
> the length of cable you can use?
>
> My main modem socket is in the wrong part of the house to run airport,
> so, do I move the socket or run an extension ?
I'd run an telephone extension to the room your computer is, and stick
the router in there, because
a) I know it works - I have my router next to me, plugged into a DSL
splitter on a phone extension that's about 30 metres long.
b) phone cable is cheaper than Cat 5 cable.
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Pd
Andy Hewitt
> Irish Murdoch wrote:
>
> > Hmmm ... this group doesn't look too active, but here's a question for
> > you anyway ...
> >
> > In OS X (Panther), since the machine's going into sleep mode terminates
> > any ppp connection, is there any way of getting the OS to reconnect
> > automatically when one "awakens" the computer again? It's a pain to have
> > to reconnect manually each time, given that I have just got a Wanadoo
> > "always on"
> > broadband connection.
>
> There is software that will reconnect a dropped connection but I don't
> know if it will do that after sleep.
>
> I've also posted this to uk.comp.sys.mac where you will have a better
> chance of getting a sensible reply.
Actually, it's a bug in OSX. I don't set my Mac to sleep anymore.
Instead I run Folding, and use those processors to good effect. Not only
that, if you allow you Mac to stay awake it can run the overnight
maintenance scripts.
--
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Honda Civic 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online
Peter Ceresole
> I'd run an telephone extension to the room your computer is, and stick
> the router in there, because
> a) I know it works - I have my router next to me, plugged into a DSL
> splitter on a phone extension that's about 30 metres long.
> b) phone cable is cheaper than Cat 5 cable.
Dead right. But just for a data point, Anne's Tonka is joined to the
router by 20m of Cat5 (it was free) and that works perfectly.
--
Peter
David Kennedy
The socket is next to my computer - which is where I thought it would be
best - what I hadn't allowed for was that everyone else in the family
now have their own iBokos and want to be able to use them all over the
house....
The house is stone, and, with walls upto 4 foot thick, I imagine that
the airport base station will have to be situated somewhere fairly
central to allow everyone a fair crack. So, what I was thinking was a
router next to me plugged into the desktop with a second cable running
to the base station for my PB and the iBokos etc. A run of about 10
meters, maybe a bit less.
David Kennedy
So, with 10m I should be OK then.
Peter Ceresole
> > Dead right. But just for a data point, Anne's Tonka is joined to the
> > router by 20m of Cat5 (it was free) and that works perfectly.
>
> So, with 10m I should be OK then.
Oh yes. Right now, my TiBoko is connected to the router by 10m of Cat5,
and it's never given a moment's trouble.
Between my TiBoko and Anne's Tonka there are 30 metres of Cat5
(10m->Hub->20m) and Mac to Mac working fairly flies. No probs.
--
Peter
Paul Womar
> If you're connecting - via ethernet - to a router, is there any limit to
> the length of cable you can use?
A 10 or 100BaseT ethernet connection is good for 100m so I imagine that
will be plenty!
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Jon B
> Peter Ceresole wrote:
>
> > PeterD <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I'd run an telephone extension to the room your computer is, and stick
> >>the router in there, because
> >>a) I know it works - I have my router next to me, plugged into a DSL
> >>splitter on a phone extension that's about 30 metres long.
> >>b) phone cable is cheaper than Cat 5 cable.
> >
Is it? I can buy 315m of cat 5 for £30, it cost me that for 100m of
telephone cable iirc. Now the tooling to make the ends up is a different
matter, BT socket end, £2 tool often free just hammer the connection on,
cat5 the crimping tool cost me £30
> >
> > Dead right. But just for a data point, Anne's Tonka is joined to the
> > router by 20m of Cat5 (it was free) and that works perfectly.
>
> So, with 10m I should be OK then.
Yes the limit is about 100m for cat 5 before you need to stick a
hub/switch in to act as a repeater. Another data point is that we've got
a DSL router sitting on 60' or so BT extension, with something like a
100' cat5 cable up to the main switch. That then feeds out to computers
from about 10' to 100' away from it all by cat5 or 2 stregically placed
airport basestations.
Andrew Stephenson
davidk...@dmnc.NOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk "David Kennedy"
writes:
> The house is stone, and, with walls upto 4 foot thick, I
> imagine that the airport base station will have to be situated
> somewhere fairly central to allow everyone a fair crack. [...]
How about putting the base station in the highest, most central,
point of the attic, such as under the ridge beam? The walls may
be stone. I doubt the floors/ceilings are.
--
Andrew Stephenson
David Kennedy
My thoughts almost exactly except that there is no attic.... And, I'd
like to get some outdoor coverage in case we ever have a summer here.
zoara
Sounds like you're the target market for a handful of Airport Expresses.
-z-
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Sig wanted. Reward offered.
David Kennedy
>
>
> Sounds like you're the target market for a handful of Airport Expresses.
>
Woooosh.....
zoara
> zoara wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sounds like you're the target market for a handful of Airport Expresses.
> >
>
> Woooosh.....
Stick a load of them around the house and you get wireless in every
room. One near a back window and you get it in the garden too. Almost
like you didn't have foot-thick walls...
Sure, it would be expensive, but as a Mac user you should be *proud* to
pay the Apple tithe. :)
-zoara-